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My friend is dying of liver failure, is there any way to save his life w/o a transplant?


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Initial post: Mar 18, 2013 8:39:26 PM PDT
Matthew says:
My good friend of 15 years has liver failure and has been given 90 days to live unless he gets a liver transplant, which is not likely since he is at the bottom of the list an only one of 40 people actually get a new liver. Is there any natural way to reverse liver failure through nutritional/herbal/homeopathic means that anybody is familiar with? Any help would be greatly appreciated. My friend's life literally depends on it. Thank you for all your help. God Bless.

Posted on Mar 19, 2013 12:05:42 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 19, 2013 12:57:01 AM PDT
ParrotSlave says:
You don't say how the liver failure occurred. Did he suddenly wake up one day, feel ill, decide to visit the ER, and was told that he was suffering from liver failure? Most cases of liver failure are not acute, i.e., they result from some kind of disease process that took some time instead of by drug or other poisoning. If it was not acute, then one would have to wonder why a person would suddenly decide to take action at this late date. One would need to address the cause, regardless of treatment.

There do exist other methods of treatment besides transplants. If it were me, I would see if there is a clinical trial to get in on of progenitor cell therapy: "The unique ability of the liver to regenerate itself has fascinated biologists for years and has made it the prototype for mammalian organ regeneration(1-3). Harnessing this process has great potential benefit in the treatment of liver failure and has been the focus of intense research over the past 50 years. Not only will detailed understanding of cell proliferation in response to injury be applicable to other dysfunction of organs, it may also shed light on how cancer develops in a cirrhotic liver, in which there is intense pressure on cells to regenerate. Advances in molecular techniques over the past few decades have led to the identification of many regulatory intermediates, and pushed us onto the verge of an explosive era in regenerative medicine. To date, more than 10 clinical trials have been reported in which augmented regeneration using progenitor cell therapy has been attempted in human patients(4)." (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3077908/)

If it were me, I would actually first run to PubMed and make a list (database, actually) of all studies and case reports that exist regarding liver regeneration. At this instant, there are 23,356 hits in PubMed for the terms "liver regeneration," so your study might need a little bit more refining, but that's where to begin (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=liver+regeneration). There are only 8,248 hits for "liver failure reversal," so that might be easier to search.

If you look at botanicals, be aware that the majority of the studies demonstrating hepatoprotective effects are either for pretreatment with the botanical or for co-administration of the botanical with a substance that causes liver insult, which is not the same thing as reversing damage that has already occurred. Andrew, if he visits this forum, might complain about this suggestion, because I said sort of the same thing about cancer once, but, in the absence of any formal available medical treatment, I would make a list of every single substance on earth that has ever caused even one single liver cell to regenerate, regardless of whether it was in a mouse, hamster, garden snake, or test tube, and I would probably use a shotgun approach, taking all of them--or at least many of them--at the same time, knowing that there might exist some unknown interaction that would send me to the promised land (or its opposite) sooner than the 90 days. On the other hand, what do you have to lose? Would a doctor dare say, don't take this because it might hurt you?

Posted on Mar 21, 2013 4:08:04 AM PDT
Interesting!

3 days without a response.

Posted on Mar 21, 2013 6:05:27 AM PDT
Spellman says:
Right now, entering studies on organ regeneration are not "the fix" people need when on their last leg. It would seem to have prospective use in people with earlier stage disease where time to plan is available. Hopefully, we can avoid the need for transplants altogether. Abbott is finishing a phase three trial of three drugs directed at viral rna replication, specifically for Hep C. 97% effective with minimal to no side effects in the majority. This is where ground will be gained. Up front.

Posted on Mar 21, 2013 6:29:54 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 21, 2013 6:30:42 AM PDT
BAM says:
Oh my! I am so sorry your friend is sick.

I encourage you to Check out Gerson.org. While many think of Gerson Therapy as a cancer treatment, in truth, it is a program designed to help your body heal itself.

Our bodies are designed to regenerate and heal themselves. Drugs treat symptoms. Nutrition gives our bodies the tools it needs to do what God has designed our bodies to do.

My Mom is on the 13th month of her Gerson Therapy for stage 3 Serous cancer. She has been healed of this deadly cancer AND the side effects are awesome! She no longer has high blood pressure, Gout, heart disease or type 2 diabetes. She is off ALL Rx meds. She looks beautiful--great complexion. I am so thankful!

My Mom sees Dr Donato at dolphindoctor.org. Dr Donato is a certified Gerson practitioner.

Gerson.org will give you more info.

There is hope!!!

Posted on Mar 21, 2013 6:34:13 AM PDT
Spellman says:
the body isn't going to heal itself of much anything this serious. This is a system failure. You can't use a broken system to fix that same system.

Posted on Mar 21, 2013 7:00:42 AM PDT
BAM says:
A quick note for guidance: Go organic for ALL foods going in your mouth. This eliminates harmful chemicals and GMOs. Begin juicing organic produce. My Mom makes fresh carrot juice 9x daily and has fresh green juice 3x daily. The fresh juice is a HUGE part of the Gerson protocol. The only fat my Mom is allowed is 1 Tablespoon of flax oil daily. She eats two baked potatoes daily--no added fat, just add a squeeze of lemon juice and chopped green onions or bell pepper. She also eats two green salads, soup and oatmeal daily. At this time in her treatment, she can't have meat. She could not have any dairy products the first 12 months. She can have yogurt now. At some point, meat will be added back. She takes several coffee enemas daily. A Gerson practitioner is needed to fine tune and customize the protocol for each person.

Before your friend can get in to see someone, he can cut the junk out of his diet. Eat organic foods only. NO dairy, eggs, meat, grains or added sugar-- not even organic ones. Begin juicing at least organic carrots. Add green juice asap. The juice MUST be FRESHLY juiced as the enzymes needed for healing begin to die the second the juice is made. Green juice seems to be the most perishable. Bottled or frozen juice will NOT work.

A good video to watch is Forks Over Knives. There are also some Gerson DVDs.

There truly is hope!!!

Posted on Mar 21, 2013 7:20:43 AM PDT
BAM says:
Spellman, I have not seen this persons medical records, so I can not respond to their specific medical condition.

I can share that I have seen amazing first hand results of healing with the Gerson protocol. My Mom was given a death sentence. Her oncologist recommended both chemo and radiation treatments for her stage 3 Serous cancer. She was told the chemo and radiation would NOT get rid of the cancer. So, she opted out of traditional treatment and embraced Gerson Therapy. She is at month 13 and has been healed. Her CA 125 blood test dropped from 77 down to 17 (normal). She is on a 24 month Gerson treatment plan that she will continue on for the total 24 months.

I have seen this miracle!

My Mom has shared all of her labs and progress with her Oncologists and regular MD. One of her Oncologists wants to meet Dr Donato to learn more about Gerson Therapy.

I do not presume to know anything about the medical records of the person reported in this post.

I choose to see a future and a hope for this person. God only knows the whole picture. There is hope!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 21, 2013 10:50:23 AM PDT
There are many alternative ways to treat liver problems.

I worked with many people coming out of prison with hepatitis C. If they took a full dose milk thistle seed daily, they never went into liver failure. However, I am told, that males can experience sexual impotence when on a full dose like I take daily. I take it to counteract the effects of lyme disease treatment.

Your friend needs to see a good physician who knows about the use of nutritional/herbal/homeopathic treatments like I see for lyme disease treatment.

Posted on Mar 21, 2013 5:25:57 PM PDT
Spellman says:
Thistle helps to normalize the LFT's. It does not effect the course of the disease or lessen the chance of cirrhosis. It is not a cure.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 21, 2013 5:33:57 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 21, 2013 5:40:57 PM PDT
Spellman says:
BAM
There is a good reason why Gerson and his therapy are not utilized in any standard fashion outside of dark corners and back alleys. It has nothing to do with big pharma either, or other nonsense theory one might put forth. This level of ca-125 for advanced stage ovarian cancer is nothing, particularly for stage IIIc disease which is the most common presentation. Radiation is not recommended for serous papillary carcinomatosis. The standard is debulking, chemo given adjuvantly or neoadjuvantly and HIPEC. With this, recurrence rates are still in excess of 84%. Your statements about her labs, recommended treatments, and disease free status, related to this histology are incoherent.

Posted on Mar 21, 2013 6:42:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 21, 2013 6:50:42 PM PDT
BAM says:
Stillman: My Mom's cancer was uterine and abdominal (not confined to specific organs). Serous was the most deadly cancer. She also had a second type of cancer. Her oncologist recommended BOTH chemo AND radiation following a complete hysterectomy and as much cancer clean up as the surgeon was able to do. The surgeon who did my Mom's cancer surgery is one of five MD's who my Mom shares her treatment plan and test results with. The Oncology surgeon wants to meet Dr Donato to learn more about Gerson Therapy.

I mentioned the Ca 125 blood test as it seems to be the most widely known cancer marker. My Mom actually has MANY blood tests done and is monitored closely. Her Gerson protocol is adjusted as needed. For the record, ALL of her tests have fallen into the normal range. The changes did not happen overnight, but within the past year, ALL have become normal.

I realize there is not a definitive blood test for cancer, but there are several blood tests that are used as cancer markers.

My Mom looks great, she feels good, she is not in pain, she has more energy, the things that can be tested via traditional medical practices are in the normal range. She still has 11 months to go on her 24 month treatment plan. I believe the cancer is gone and the cancer indicators seem to verify this.

This is my Mom's second go around with cancer. She opted for both chemo and radiation the first time. The treatment nearly killed her! That was 16 years ago.

There is no doubt in my mind that if my Mom had elected chemo and radiation this time around, she would be dead by now.

Instead, Gerson Therapy has prolonged her life and improved the quality of her life. I will be forever grateful.

I have had the opportunity to speak with a 90 year old former Gerson patient. She was diagnosed with uterine cancer 27 years ago.

I am not implying that Gerson Therapy has a 100% cure rate, but their track record is pretty impressive. Traditional cancer treatments don't have a 100% track record either. I have seen both the chemo and radiation side of cancer treatment and the Gerson approach up close and personal. Gerson therapy is not a back alley treatment. Gerson Therapy would be my first choice for cancer treatment. It is a legal choice in the United States!

Posted on Mar 22, 2013 12:12:25 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 22, 2013 2:02:11 AM PDT
ParrotSlave says:
Amazing, isn't it, that someone should mention Gerson's "track record." There have undoubtedly been thousands of Gerson victims over the years, but if you want to talk with most of them, you'll need to make arrangements with Jonathan Edwards (of "Crossing Over" fame) or Madame Cleo or the like....I cannot downgrade the positive aspects of certain aspects of what he recommended, such as a low sodium diet with lots of veggies: it cannot hurt if done reasonably, and that's probably what your mother told you anyway when you were little, although she might not have known about how bad salt was. But the insanity of the way the Gersonites do coffee gets to me every time I think about it. If you think that coffee is going to do you any good, why not just buy some "green coffee" extract, or coffee fruit extract? It would be a lot less trouble and a lot cleaner to consume it that way, and there do exist some phytochemicals in the coffee plant that might very well do some good, including chlorogenic acid and caffeic acid. In fact, in light of the availability of these substances these days, and the fact that commercially produced coffee may very well be low in those beneficial substances, it appears to me to be crazier than ever to be doing the Gerson coffee "thing."

If coffee were that magical, you would think that coffee drinkers would all be living forever, and never get liver disease or anything else, certainly not cancer. One meta-analysis, by Yu, et al, found that "Overall, an increase in consumption of 1 cup of coffee per day was associated with a 3% reduced risk of cancers (RR, 0.97; 95% CI, 0.96-0.98). In subgroup analyses, we noted that, coffee drinking was associated with a reduced risk of bladder, breast, buccal and pharyngeal, colorectal, endometrial, esophageal, hepatocellular, leukemic, pancreatic, and prostate cancers." Another, more recent study, found a lower risk of endometrial cancer with much higher levels of coffee consumption. Dong, et al, found that risk of pancreatic cancer was reduced by coffee consumption. However, the largest, most elaborate study to date, that by Genkinger, et al, published earlier this year, found no correlation at all. Another very large study published last year in the NEJM found that, for coffee consumption, "Inverse associations were observed for deaths due to heart disease, respiratory disease, stroke, injuries and accidents, diabetes, and infections, but not for deaths due to cancer." These are correlations, not causation, but it is apparent that coffee is not a "magic bullet" for cancer or anything else, although studies on some of the individual chemical constituents seem promising, as well as in regard to a possible beneficial effect on diabetes and other disorders. One might argue that merely the increased alertness from the caffeine might very well account for fewer injuries and accidents, and that what might well be improved cognitive abilities might be enough to account for some other statistical benefits instead of them being due to the other phytochemical constituents--that's assuming, of course, that it is causative, which is a rather grandiose assumption, and that's neglecting the plethora of contradictions in the data to date.

Someone needs to open a Mega Mart of "Alternative" Treatments. I can see it now: "Aisle 9! Aisle 9! Need Healing on aisle 9!....Aisle 11, coffee enema needed stat!" Today's special: ozone, 50% off, and panacea water is buy two, get one free. Use your rewards card and get a cancer zapper free with $100 purchase! Visit our special booth where Energy Counselors will "read" your health and pass their hands over you to remove evil spirits! Live blood analyses on sale! Buy aluminum foil hats to bounce away those nasty energy vibrations that are causing your ill health!

Posted on Mar 22, 2013 2:47:41 AM PDT
BAM is an excellent example of the vultures that always descend on the terminally ill with a wish to get an easy cure that doesn't mean long and uncomfortable medical procedures.

If his "treatment" fails, he'll just claim his directions weren't followed correctly or strictly enough, therefore he's not to blame. And as the victim will be dead (which is the usual outcome of such quacks' "treatments"), they can't even complain.

There should be a special circle in hell for creatures like that, possibly is.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 22, 2013 5:49:46 AM PDT
Spellman says:
@BAM
You are misinterpreting terms. If your mother had stage 3 serous papillary ca, she had carcinomatosis or advanced pelvic disease. Surgery made her grossly free of disease. Hence the drop in ca-125. You can't clear a lawn of dandilyons by plucking them out. Statistically, your mother is going to recur without adequate therapy.

Posted on Mar 22, 2013 8:38:29 AM PDT
BAM says:
Spellman:  My Mom was told that neither the chemo or radiation treatments recommended by her oncologist would get rid of her cancer.  Recurrance was never a consideration as the cancer would not be destroyed by the chemo and radiation.  Statistically, the prognosis was DEATH within 3 years!  Period--whether she chose chemo and radiation or opted out.  The surgery she had did not remove all the cancer.

Since my Mom's Oncology surgeon wants to learn more about the Gerson Protocol and is willing to travel a distance to meet the doctor monitoring my Mom's Gerson Therapy, the Oncology surgeon must be seeing something in my Mom's charts that are pretty amazing.  My Mom has also traveled to see this specialist three times for check-ups.

Fast forward 13 months and it appears by looking at all the cancer indicators that medical technology offers that my Mom's cancer is GONE.  She still has 11 months of Gerson therapy to go, so we are hoping if there are any cancer cells still lurking that her body's immune system will eliminate them. 

The truth is we all have cancer cells in our bodies.  A healthy immune system keeps them in check.

Gerson Therapy is two fold, it is designed to reduce toxic loads in our bodies and to nourish our bodies with optimum nutrition so that our bodies can heal themselves of disease.  

Doctors do NOT heal anything.  Our bodies do the healing.  The Gerson approach is one of helping our body to maximize what only our bodies can do.  

I am not implying that there is no place for traditional medical practices.  But, without strengthening the immune system and cleaning out the garbage, healing will be an uphill battle.  

My Mom's success with Gerson Therapy is not an isolated one.  Many many people have been cured of cancer.  

Perhaps you would benefit by looking into Gerson Therapy a bit further as you don't seem to understand how it works. 

Posted on Mar 22, 2013 8:57:14 AM PDT
Spellman says:
Gerson is a sham. Your mother's oncologist isn't going to treat anyone outside of NCCN guidelines. If he does, he risks licensure and malpractice suits. In tumor system after tumor system, CAM therapy vs standard therapy is an abysmal failure, with patients returning for salvage therapy for significant disease progression. Gerson is accepted by no one in mainstream medicine. Only by desparate people who have succumbed to the song of the witch doctor. There is a lot more money to be made in preventing disease and in treating disease with less invasiveness and toxicity than in standard therapy. If cures of a simplistic nature were available, they would be spread world wide by now. No one would go through chemo and radiation, let alone surgery if it could at all be avoided.

Posted on Mar 22, 2013 9:07:06 AM PDT
BAM says:
Parrotslave: The victims of traditional cancer treatment far outnumber cancer deaths of Gerson patients, when comparing stage and types of cancer. I think it would be better to look at cancer survival rates. Only instead of stopping the cancer death count at five years, take it out 10, 15, 20+ years. Also factor in the deaths caused by cancer treatments. The chemo and radiation almost killed my Mom the first time she was diagnosed with cancer 16 years ago. In fact, treatment was stopped because she would have died if they had continued the full chemo/ radiation program.

As for coffee enemas, the coffee reacts differently when it is administered bottoms up instead of top down. The coffee used for enemas is organic and processed in a different way than coffee to drink. It is a golden color and does not smell like coffee and it does not taste like coffee. It is purchased from: S.A. Wilsons in Canada.

I hope you will do more research.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 22, 2013 9:16:52 AM PDT
"It is a golden color and does not smell like coffee and it does not taste like coffee"

I hope you tasted it BEFORE the enema!

Posted on Mar 22, 2013 9:58:46 AM PDT
BAM says:
Spellman: I respectfully disagree--Gerson Therapy is not a sham. It was literally a life line for my Mom.

Your comment, "There is a lot more money to be made in preventing disease and in treating disease with less invasiveness and toxicity than in standard therapy." is almost laughable. The cost of chemo and radiation and associated tests and doctors appointments cost exponentially more than the cost of Gerson Therapy. Not just in dollars either. The additional pain and suffering of traditional chemo and radiation treatments is also a factor.

The quality of my Mom's life has been exponentially higher this past year on Gerson than it was the year she was on chemo and radiation 16 years ago. There is NO comparrison! The chemo and radiation year was HELL. This past 13 months has been awesome!

I love my Mom.

I watched her suffer with chemo and radiation. It was a nightmare. Primitive medicine at its worst in my opinion. The sores in her mouth, the vomiting, the bald head, the pain, terrifyingly low white blood cell counts, burns on her skin...

The past 13 months, my Mom's progress on Gerson Therapy has seemed like a miracle as she has healed. She experienced NONE of the ugly side effects and pain that she suffered with the chemo and radiation. I seriously doubt my Mom's lab tests would be anywhere near as good as they are now if she had opted for chemo and radiation.

I suspect you will discount everything I have shared about my Mom's cancer treatment choice and her tests. However, with each passing month, I have become a more ardent proponent of Gerson Therapy.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 22, 2013 10:25:14 AM PDT
BAM says:
Michael: Love your humor! Truth is, the bottoms up coffee is prepared in the kitchen and it does not smell or look at all tempting enough to consider tasting. It is even pretty sobering to think about sending it "where the sun don't shine.". :)

It appears our original poster has flown the coop. But we can keep these dear ones in our prayers.

Posted on Mar 23, 2013 11:45:02 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 23, 2013 11:45:30 AM PDT
There is progress being made with artificial livers. Since your friend is in advanced stage, perhaps he could join a trial-test group:

http://www.fiercebiotech.com/story/vital-therapies-banks-86m-groundbreaking-artificial-liver-trials/2012-11-13
(Nov. 2012) VITAL THERAPIES BANKROLLS $86 MILLION FOR GROUNDBREAKING ARTIFICIAL LIVER TRIALS

Posted on Mar 23, 2013 12:40:54 PM PDT
Here is more on current liver transplant research:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120906111902.htm
PARTIAL LIVER GRAFT FROM LIVING DONOR IMPROVES SURVIVAL RATES FOR RECIPIENT

http://www.frontiersin.org/Alloimmunity_and_Transplantation/10.3389/fimmu.2012.00168/full
STEM CELL DERIVED HEPATOCYTES FOR FUNCTIONAL LIVER REPLACEMENT

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23145497
RESEARCH ON ANIMAL-TO-HUMAN LIVER TRANSPLANTS

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 24, 2013 7:09:35 AM PDT
Roseberry says:
I don't think you know much about Gerson therapy. I suggest you find out more. It is a nutritional therapy that addresses deficiency and toxicity in the body. I used to have a serious internal infection, allergies, sensitivities, fatigue etc. I adhered to Gerson principles loosely and healed all of those. Gerson people are not making money because I eat organic and juice sometimes. May be there are some non-pretentious good guys on this world.

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