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In reply to an earlier post on May 8, 2012 11:48:01 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 6:22:27 AM PDT
Barbara says:
Why are you so angry? Is it something you ate?

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 6:31:17 AM PDT
Jane says:
I can assure you coconut that I would love to eat a bagel, but I can't because I have Celiac disease. I miss good pizza and especially crusty on the outside, soft on the inside bread. I have not only had a REAL blood test, but also a REAL endoscopy which is the most accurate way to diagnose celiac disease. As it's a genetic thing, my son, my daughter, my sister and my father all have it too. And the low life celebrity I think you refer to also has Celiac disease. Did we want this auto-immune disease? No! But no one wants to be a diabetic either which is another auto-immune disease.
What really bugs me are people like you, who don't know what they are talking about ranting and raving on food issues. Don't you think that in this troubled world, you could find something more important to whine about. And if you have to speak out about gluten free, at least get your information correct. This sort of commentary is designed to spread misinformation.
For your enlightenment, Celiac disease has been a problem for humans since we starting eating wheat, thousands of years ago. As the gluten protein has been modified over the past 100 years, the incidence of it has increased. There are research studies that show this.
Finally some people have given up gluten and find they feel more energetic and healthier. Is that really a problem for you? Does it really matter what others put into their mouths? So what, if someone decides to go vegan. Does that really hurt you in anyway? Isn't that their business?
By the way, I personally find it really embarrassing to go out and tell people that I can't eat this or that. I do not want to bring attention to myself. In fact, I usually choose to stay home if I can. Unfortunately, that's often not possible. So enjoy your gluten!

Posted on May 9, 2012 6:42:07 AM PDT
Jane says:
To your comments that this article is not aimed at those with a "gluten intolerance disease like Celiac":
"Problem is, since half the world's population is mysteriously falling ill with Celiac Disease, the snowflakes are piling up into a big indistinguishable drift." What does this imply? Sounds to me like you think it's all BS.

Posted on May 9, 2012 8:10:39 AM PDT
Edward Amans says:
The biggest reason people lose weight is because they eat less carbs. Its a huge fad diet that I jope people wisen up to. Go to the gym,do cardio eat the correct balance of carbs fat protein your good to gopeople will believe anything. Sad really.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 8:53:11 AM PDT
DisplacedMic says:
Wizen up? Why?

I think any diet that makes you put what you eat and what you do under a microscope is probably better than not monitoring your input/output. Obviously you recognize there is a problem, otherwise you wouldn't be looking into it in the first place, no?

The problem is when diet becomes a verb as opposed to a noun... this underscores the temperance and therefore the long term weakness of many "fad" diets.

That being said, I do not believe the gluten-free diets are "fad diets"
Maybe for some people - but I think it's here to stay - just like the umbrella that covers the so-called low-carb diets.

Posted on May 9, 2012 10:14:49 AM PDT
H. Hardwick says:
It's approximated that EIGHTY percent of the world's population is lactose intolerant. I don't see why being gluten intolerant would be any different. Doctors are now discovering that there are many extremes to gluten intolerance- some people are mildly affected and some are downright ill from it like Celiacs (which is NOT a disease but a disorder- you don't catch it). Humans were NOT meant to grind away on wheat all day nor were cows and corn products meant to be our only staples. It's no wonder our bodies are rejecting this crapola. Don't consider anything in a box food and most of your troubles will be solved.

Posted on May 9, 2012 11:05:09 AM PDT
We can't all go running to a doctor for every little thing. Some of us figure out our own problems and are able to help ourselves with something as simple as a diet change (not that being gluten free is always easy). I don't need to take time off work or to pay someone to tell me to stick to a gluten free diet when I already know it makes me ill. As far as something gaining popular interest, it just means more people are aware of and curious about an issue, it does not mean that the issue did not exist before people were aware of it.

Posted on May 9, 2012 3:59:22 PM PDT
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ParrotSlave says:
Scientists with elaborate research facilities and huge sums of public and private money have yet to figure out the etiology of celiac disease, and physicians cannot diagnose it in a New York minute, and are often puzzled about exactly what the problem with a particular patient is. Yet there are many who, in their minds. "know" what they have. In some cases, they are right. Sometimes, the disorder is a little more complex than they suspect.

There is strong evidence that there is a bacterial link to celiac disease, for instance: see the editorial at http://www.jleukbio.org/content/87/5/749.full, "Celiac disease and intestinal bacteria: not only gluten?" along with the related research article. A review in the May issue of Nature Reviews Gastroenterology and Hepatology also discusses the issue. You might want to look at http://www.nature.com/nrgastro/journal/v9/n4/pdf/nrgastro.2012.14.pdf, a review of the link between bacteria and IBD, the full text of which is free for a limited time from nature.com. Another excellent review, "The intestinal microbiota and chronic disorders of the gut," from a team at Baylor, is also free for a limited time, at http://www.nature.com/nrgastro/journal/v8/n9/pdf/nrgastro.2011.133.pdf:
"The intestine supports the growth of large numbers of primarily nonculturable bacteria. The intestinal microbiota can contribute to a healthy microbial community, with bacteria optimally communicating with the intestinal epithelium and the local innate and adaptive immune system. However, alterations to the gut flora can lead to a pathogenic microbial community in genetically susceptible hosts that causes persistent local inflammation, changes in epithelial function and chronic disease such as IBS, IBD or colorectal cancer."

Gluten is not the only star in the heavens: "There are more things in heaven and earth...Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Merely removing gluten is not going to correct the co-morbidities, such as the dysbiosis. Yes, I know: you feel better, and you think that all your problem are gone because you got rid of the gluten, and you "know" it's not a placebo effect. Duh. You may well be better, and you may be at least partially right. But gluten is just the tip of the iceberg. If your physician is not up-to-date on that, then you should discuss it with him or her. The problem with dysbiosis is that this is evolving research, and we don't know what is "the" "correct" balance of microorganisms, or necessarily how to achieve that, but we can make educated guesses.

Posted on May 9, 2012 6:30:39 PM PDT
Jane says:
@ ParrotSlave: The golden standard for diagnosis of CD is an endoscopy. During that procedure, the doctor can visualize the small intestines and also takes biopsies. The doctor can see the characteristic damage of CD and then it's backed up with microbiology.
I'm not sure that 'There is strong evidence that there is a bacterial link to celiac disease' is completely true. Your article tells us that it's a possibility. 'Recently, early innate immunity has been considered as another possible key element in this disease' quoted from your first article.
A bacterial infection would sure make treatment much easier than a life of living gluten free. I hope it proves to be true. However, many years of research will be required to prove this theory, which right now is just one of many possibilities.
And just so we are clear, IBD, IBS cancer is not CD. CD is a autoimmune disease like diabetes and rheumatic arthritis. The etiologies of these are not completely understood either.
I don't think a life without gluten is the star in the heavens. However, I do hope it will prevent the complication of lymphoma which killed my mother. Endoscopic evidence shows healing of the small intestine after going gluten free. It's a small price to pay for good health and a long life. Yes I know that's not guaranteed, but it makes it a little more likely for me.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 10:34:52 PM PDT
Ok, ok Coconut..dont crack. "Those wackos with their Frankenstein diets" help those of us who HAVE celiac disease and HAVE been biopsied in a REAL DOCTORS office (Hmm, just a hunch, I bet you dont like holistic docs.) While I cannot understand why anyone would want to join this special little club I am in, I welcome them and their purchasing power. See..said wackos will fuel the capitalistic gears to keep on cranking as they demand gluten free pizza crusts that are not glorified rice cakes,and gluten free potstickers. Until you have been up at 2 a.m. with stomach pain from croutons, dont trivialize something you obviously know nothing about,

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 11:01:11 PM PDT
Amen Jane. I am right there with ya...a fellow CD-er.

In reply to an earlier post on May 9, 2012 11:50:54 PM PDT
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Posted on May 10, 2012 12:07:24 AM PDT
People who have CD but eat gluten absorb very little nutrients. My nephew ate more than adequately before he was diagnosed but was skin and bones with a distended belly like a starving third-world child. Since going off gluten he now absorbs nutrients fairly normally. Sure, nutient deficiencies are possible with a GF diet, but that's true of any diet. Balance is the key, and we CDers are smart enough to exercise that balance. No really, we are.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 1:09:52 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 6:44:47 AM PDT
It's interesting you would choose that portion of my post to comment on rather than the part that states the simple fact that CDers absorb MORE nutrients on a GF diet than they do eating a regular diet. My nephew was literally dying of starvation. Now, on a GF diet he's healthy.
By stating that a GF diet causes certain deficiencies you imply that somehow it's unhealthy, but my nephew would certainly beg to differ. The 'deficiencies' of a GFD are NOTHING compared to the deficiencies of a regular diet for CD sufferers.
You seem to focus on any possible negative aspect of GF that might exist. Then when someone calls you on it you make a long wordy post in an attempt to come across as scientific and impartial, but you are not. Your disdain for the GF diet is inferred in many of your statements, which is why people on this forum continue to take issue with you.

Posted on May 10, 2012 9:31:02 AM PDT
Jane says:
Parrotslave, I had to look up the word dysbosis and I'm retired from medicine. Yes there are plenty of articles online about it, but why had I never heard of it. I then found this "Intestinal dysbiosis is an emerging medical term for imbalances in the intestinal flora, a concept pioneered by holistic and naturopathic physicians." So this is a new term. I find it incredible interesting that you have locked on to the trendy new probiotic theories. Isn't this just a way to sell a product? Get our gut in balance! There is some interesting research going on in this area, but nothing has been proven yet. It all may go the way of lactose intolerance and the Atkins die as 'coconut' likes to describe. But you've gone from what is new and trendy in probiotics to complain about the 'trendy new gluten free diets' and the 'trendy new CD'? Really!!!
Your quoted studies may or may not eventually be correct. Again, if they are, great. Meanwhile, I stick to what is proven without a doubt. In the presence of gluten my immune system attacks the lining of my small intestine.
Finally if one is eating a balanced GF diet, there is no reason for deficiencies, micro or not. I eat meat, dairy, nuts, fruit and vegetables and grains (avoiding of course wheat, barley and rye) and loads of other things. I'm able to get all the nutrients needed to fuel a healthy body. B12, folate, and B6 are not only found in wheat, barley and rye. Why would a GF diet lack any nutrients if it's a balanced one? Furthermore, there is research that shows humans were not 'designed' to eat wheat. For thousands of years, humans certainly survived without it.
I have to ask what do you do all day, that you have time to look up all of this information? Why would you spend hours researching CD and gluten free diets to prove us (the sufferers of CD) all wrong? I honestly don't get it. But, whatever rocks your boat, I guess!!! I think I've spent enough time on it and I have a reason to find it important.

Posted on May 10, 2012 12:44:26 PM PDT
I wanted to apologize for the deleted post on 8 May. I let my emotions get the best of me and I am sure that I have offended everyone. Again, I apologize. :'-(

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 1:43:26 PM PDT
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ParrotSlave says:
I'm not sure what planet you come from, or how you interpret English words there, but I said nothing about, nor did I quote anyone as saying anything about, GFD in and of itself "causing" deficiencies. Pay attention to your own word: balance, one of my favorite words. GFDs are often unbalanced, like it or not. The problem is that, without a certain amount of care, you may be going from the frying pan into the fire when it comes to nutrient deficiencies when you go on a GFD. The fact that someone may be markedly improved after going on a GFD has nothing at all to do with the question of whether that particular GFD is nutritionally valid for that individual in the long run. GFDs are a dime a dozen: there are good ones, there are bad ones.

Creating a balanced diet that is gluten-free is a little more challenging than doing so with a regular diet, and despite your fantasy that "we CDers are smart enough," that is not always the case. Some are no doubt brilliant individuals with no need of advice, but some are just plain normal or worse: some "CDers" do need professional advice. From your posts, I am beginning to wonder if, even corrected, the condition might not be associated with some kind of cognitive deficit. Have you had your folate status checked? Its deficiency can be associated with a cognitive decline. Being on a GFD would probably be one of those rare instances where even the most traditional of regular doctors would recommend vitamin supplementation.

Neither I nor anyone else here have denied that untreated CD patients are likely to have different kinds of deficiencies. It should be self evident that proper treatment should resolve at least some of those deficiences. "The impact of nutrient malabsorption caused from untreated celiac disease is well documented. The diet and gluten-free products are often low in B vitamins, calcium, vitamin D, iron, zinc, magnesium, and fiber. Few gluten-free products are enriched or fortified, adding to the risk of nutrient deficiencies. Patients newly diagnosed or inadequately treated have low bone mineral density, imbalanced macronutrients, low fiber intake, and micronutrient deficiencies. Also troubling is the increased incidence of obesity seen in persons with celiac disease following a gluten-free diet." (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016508505001939)

I have already quoted from Kupper's 2005 paper regarding the problem of nutritional inadequacies in the "unbalanced" GFD. Hopman, in a Dutch study published in 2006, found that "The dietary compliance in this group is high, the nutritional state is adequate, but the nutrient intake is not. Better medical and dietary support is necessary to prevent long-term complications and to achieve an ongoing satisfying management in this group of young patients with a chronic disorder." (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16819385)

I'm sure you are perfectly capable of searching the literature yourself. The literature dealing with the health impact of even treated celiac disease is extensive. For instance, Valletta, in a 2010 EJCN communication, found that AFTER a GFD, "there was a significant (P=0.008) increase in BMI z-score after GFD and the percentage of overweight (z-score >+1) subjects almost doubled (11 vs 21%, P=0.03). Our data suggest the need for a careful follow-up of nutritional status after diagnosis of CD, especially addressing those who are already overweight at presentation."

Obesity is becoming epidemic among the general population, but CD sufferers are at even more risk for it because the majority of GFDs are overloaded with processed starches, which are bad enough in the "normal" diet. If you want to suffer from heart disease, obesity, metabolic syndrome, type II diabetes, etc.--then fill yourself up with processed starches. Enjoy!

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 2:24:11 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 3:11:50 PM PDT
Your last two posts just proved the previous point I made about you.
I give up. You are an incorrigible moron, and a lost cause. Have a nice life in front of your pc.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 3:32:07 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 3:36:34 PM PDT
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ParrotSlave says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 4:34:43 PM PDT
bobk says:
You have too much time on your hands.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 4:38:13 PM PDT
bobk says:
You still have too much time on your hands.
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