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The annoying gluten-free trend and the attention seekers who keep this vile machine well-lubricated

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In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012 12:31:32 PM PDT
MK says:
Sorry if you thought I was replying to your post, it was intended for OP-Coconut.

But to answer your question, I made the sauce myself, old school -- with cream (NOT milk), butter, Parm, and fresh parsley. Every one of those ingredients is allowed in Phase 1 Atkins (except of course the noodles), so I know the noodles were responsible for my distress.

As for Atkins, man, is it tough (especially for a Pastafarian). Thought I'd try it because so many people seemed to lose weight on it, and I probably would have never suspected problems with wheat if I hadn't tried it.
All this happened about a year after Atkins was THE super-hot diet, mid to late '90s I guess?

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012 12:36:23 PM PDT
P. Chambers says:
Wow, talk about someone suffering from grain-brain, fluoride-brain, Monsanto-brain, GMO-brain, chlorine-brain, and brain inflammation. Do yourself and the world a favor Coconut and throw yourself down an abandoned well.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012 12:43:03 PM PDT
Tigs says:
@MK I should have been more specific. Dairy/Milk Proteins.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012 5:07:20 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 12, 2012 3:49:21 AM PDT
ParrotSlave says:
That particular dietary guideline did not come from a physician. I threw it away on its own merit, or rather lack thereof, but it would have made no difference who had given it to me. If the archangel Gabriel had given it to me, I would still have discarded it. It was a standard old guide they apparently give to all patients with hiatal hernias, and I do mean old; I did call them later to point out its shortcomings. Curiously enough, there was a separate printout, called "anti-reflux" suggestions, which did make sense, as did the actual discharge instructions, which stated, among other things, to avoid fatty foods. The one I'm complaining about came straight from the hospital's dietitian.

That diet was an attempt to avoid foods that aggravate GERDS, certainly a noble cause, but in doing so, their particular suggestions made the same kind of errors as the unthinking GFDs do [note to those who will misinterpret this: the adjective "unthinking" is intended to describe a subset of all GFDs]: they were leading me out of one frying pan and straight into another.

They were suggesting that I use margarine, and committed what I consider to be cardinal sins: failing to mention that it should be one without trans fat, and failing to mention that it should be chosen with attention to the quality of fat. Of course, the other dietary guideline they gave me said not to consume such fats at all. In contrast to the "diet" about which I am complaining, the "anti-reflux" printout even suggested, not unreasonably, multi-grain bread as a dietary choice, so the two different "diets" were at odds with each other. The dietitian's diet recommended white bread, which I don't allow in my house, except maybe once a year when a Whataburger demands that I eat it. As far as I am concerned, white bread is about as nutritionally valuable as toilet paper.

I have never had an acid reflux problem during the day that I know of; my problem was from nighttime percolation of the stomach contents into the esophagus, not "regular" GERD per se. You are not going to tell me not to drink fruit juice or coffee or any of the number of other healthy and tasty foods that I have consumed during the day for decades without incident, particularly when those foods are such excellent sources of micronutrients.

I examine all such advice on its own merit, which I have tried to emphasize in various discussions. I may laugh if you quote Mercola or, for instance, but I will examine whatever idea you are trying to promote on its own merit. Truth is where you find it; I look for the grains of truth.

My opinion of various hospital foods had nothing to do with my opinion about the "diet" I was lambasting. I did not eat at that particular hospital, so I could not possibly have an opinion of their food. And I tried to make it clear that I was not denigrating all hospitals by mentioning "hospital foods." When I'm visiting in a hospital, the first thing I do, when I can, is examine the food they serve patients: clue number one to whether someone with a mind is in charge there will be the packets of non-dairy creamer. When I see non-dairy creamers that contain trans-fats being served with the tea and coffee, I'm preparing myself at that point to repress the urge to vomit when I see the actual food. The amount in one or two packets may be insignificant, but the choice of such a material bespeaks of a careless or ignorant mind. I do, of course, look further. My mother had a number of long hospitalizations at several places before her death, and I had a good opportunity to pay attention to the food. The food at St. Johns, in Springfield, Missouri, was actually edible.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012 5:16:46 PM PDT
Then I want Francis to stay quiet & stop actin up - such juvenile behavior for a pituitary gland.

Posted on May 11, 2012 5:36:25 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 11, 2012 6:34:18 PM PDT
Interesting, isn't it? How food allergies increase with increased use of genetically modified products. Interesting also how the parts of grains that are genetically "enhanced" are the proteins, which is exactly what gluten is. So as use of these products increase, so does celiac. How logical.

I'm sick of people not taking gluten seriously. Do you know what it's like to have severe diarrhea five times a day, to lose three pounds a day, to be afraid of death because you can't stop your weight loss, to have extreme hot flashes and abdominal pain that is worse than the pain of giving birth, to break out in itchy blisters all over your skin and be unable to sleep at night because it won't stop itching?

I don't care if you are writing about people who are part of the diet trend. Celiac goes deeper than you obviously understand. Celiac destroys the villi in the intestines. The villi in your intestines are what absorb essential vitamins, nutrients, and minerals. Many, MANY people do not have celiac symptoms. Instead they have some other disease that is caused by such a deficiency. Those who have done enough research to attempt a gluten free (should be grain free if you read the medical journals) diet should never be ridiculed.

Is it annoying to me that I can't go out to eat because waiters, cooks, etc. do not take celiac seriously because it is a diet trend? Yes. When they make the mistake of putting the bread on my food they usually just take it off and expect me to be okay. It doesn't help that the reaction never happens while I'm there as it has to make its way to my intestines and destroy my body first. But to assume that people are just following a diet trend is not ever okay either. Unless they directly tell you that they are on the diet just to lose weight or whatever, then you cannot assume that it doesn't really make them sick. And by the way, those blood tests are highly inaccurate.

(Disclaimer: I read the original post. That is all.)

Posted on May 11, 2012 5:39:53 PM PDT
And as far as real doctors are concerned, most of them know almost nothing about celiac. It takes years of pain for many people to be diagnosed.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012 6:04:58 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 11, 2012 6:18:24 PM PDT
SO true.

On the rare occasion that I go to events where people will be eating, I bring my own food. If you have food issues like mine you really CAN'T possibly expect anyone to even be able to make food that isn't somehow contaminated with something they think is safe. Sometimes my friends feel bad that they have no food I can eat, and I just say, "Hey! Look at this big bag of food I brought for myself! I don't care if you have nothing!!!" Even when I go visit family on holidays I let them cook their meals and I take over a corner of the kitchen for my own. I'm not making somebody else try to make food for me. They don't know what they're doing and I don't blame them! I'm also not going to risk getting sick myself!

Personally, I am "self-diagnosed" (although my symptoms are far worse than most so it was eventually recorded - I just lived in an area with terrible doctors at the time so I took matters into my own hands), but I wonder at these people you know. They must either think that the world revolves around them or that all food should be completely free of anything that anyone could possibly be allergic to. (Air for dinner tonight!) :P I do find some of my fellow "celiacs" to be quite irritating, but I try to assume nothing as I know what it's like to have the condition myself. I guess in that sense I understand the original post here, but I still find it to be quite ignorant of the issue.

Posted on May 11, 2012 6:11:49 PM PDT
I have to admit, although I strongly disagree with and am irritated by coconut's original post I find some of her subsequent posts to be extremely amusing.

I'm starting to think she's sort of awesome. Is that bad? haha

Posted on May 11, 2012 6:31:15 PM PDT
I am says:
I have come to firmly believe gluten is a real problem to human digestion and that can be proved through science as a fact. The problem now, though, is that wheat scientists are going to GM wheat even further to reduce gluten content as much as possible. Good and bad-- cause at that point, it's been screwed with way too much. We should just give it up-- grains aren't needed in the diet; vegetables are so much more healthy than wheat anyway.

Posted on May 11, 2012 8:22:39 PM PDT
Maximom says:
Gee Coconut, you are a woman? your comments read very alienated bitter alpha male to me. Such anger, rage even. I won't even bring up the GFCF diet and autism spectrum disorder topic with Coco nut. OK. I will. There isnt a blood test to predict a response to that yet, but many parents including myself will affirm dramatic improvements in attention, focus and sociability (fog lifting) enabling many fortunate kids to make progress in their therapies. I am a scientist actually not a wako loser celebrity.
I get angry sometimes too, we all do. But, your initial blog is so toxic and hateful. Use that energy toward something positive. and keep eating your cheetos or whatever, I'm not telling you what to eat. I'm sure your diet is really doing great things for your temperment and mood. Evidently. :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012 8:36:15 PM PDT
We should just give it up-- grains aren't needed in the diet
Speak for yourself. I need grains in my diet. Without them I get nauseous & weak. Maybe it's a diabetes thing, I don't know, but I do know that if I eat & don't have some sort of grain, I will regret it until I can get some into my system.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012 9:58:01 PM PDT
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Posted on May 11, 2012 10:23:39 PM PDT
amberj says:
I just have a few things to say. I have a four year old son who is on a waiting list to be diagnosed with Autism. After a lot of research we decided that our whole family would go gluten free so it would be easier for him. I have NEVER been diagnosed with anything from a doctor that says I can't eat gluten but I can tell you that since we cut gluten out of our diet my whole family has more energy and my son who has NEVER SAID A WORD OR BEEN ABLE TO FOCUS ON ANYTHING FOR MORE THAN A FEW MINUTES IS NOW saying about 10 words. He wants to play all the time and pays attention when we try to teach him something. He has never held eye contact for more than 5 seconds and now he always wants us to look him in the eye. He has only been on the diet for a month but we see more and more changes everyday. I am not saying the diet is right for everyone but for some it works wonders. I was skeptical at first but now when my son looks at me and says mama I can't help but smile. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but for us going gluten free was the best thing.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012 10:26:54 PM PDT
Tigs says:

I think I do remember reading somewhere that they were finding benefits for those with autism.

If anyone wants to get testing done, Enterolab is your best bet. Unfortunately you will probably have to pay out of pocket for it. They can test you for many different food sensitivities,

Posted on May 11, 2012 11:38:16 PM PDT
I guess I am wondering how many people have looked at the scientific data with regards to how many probable undiagnosed Celiacs there are in the States alone, it's estimated at about 95%undiagnosed. Gluten free diets have helped with a multitude of medical conditions including Autism and Rheumatoid Arthritis just to mention a couple.Is it wrong for the Mom to feed her child a gluten free diet that improves their lifestyle considerably rather than dosing with more Autism meds, absolutely not, go for it Mom. Equally the the rheumatoid patient in pain that is getting relief due to a gluten free diet, again, go for it. Our bodies were not intended to digest certain grain proteins and some of us cannot break them down, so the up shot, if a Gluten Free diet makes you feel better, go for it. In parting, if it truly didn't make us feel better we wouldn't eat Gluten Free, no more Sourdough bread, no more decent beer, no great restaurants for fear of contamination, so the upswing is we feel better!!!!!!! ps yes I have Celiacs

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 1:37:13 AM PDT
Wow, talk about bitter. You don't have to be "allergic" to be "intolerant". I don't tell anyone I avoid wheat products, simply choose my foods carefully, so its hardly attention seeking. If I can't avoid wheat in a given situation, I simply eat it, but know that I am keeping the levels I ingest low compared to previously - and my health is much improved. I am assuming you feel the same way about lactose "intolerance" yet my father, a farmer who loved his milk and who suffered from bad indigestion for years, one day when he was in his 60's had to drink soy milk (don't ask me why) and for the first time ever after a cup of tea didn't suffer indigestion. Again, not allergic, but certainly intolerant and that realisation has made a huge difference in his life. Truly, I do wonder why your post is so venomous?

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 6:28:45 AM PDT
Maximom says:
Hello Amber, you dont need a piece of xerox from a pediatric neurodevelopmental pediatrician to start activing agressively and immediately- good for you!
I saw what exactly what you saw as do thousands of parents. Many parents see dramatic and immediate results in reduction of hyperactivity and attention by eliminating gluten in kids with asd sympoms...and theres more to it. Casein in dairy and soy are also bad actors in many kids like this and you may want to see what happens if you eliminate it. there is a well established scientific basis. If you are at all interested in much much more about autism spectrum disorders and learning and many many effective interventions check out the TACA website and this great book Special Diets Special Kids 2.I dont want to upset you, but are you in Europe or Canada? With no diagnosis by 4 and so few words and him just now making eye contact and giving attention, I think your situation is rather urgent. But there is trmendous hope many parents have experienced recovery. seriously. please, dont wait, devour as much information as you can, if not from me from TACA and other GFCFSF sources. Also please try to begin therapies if you have not. even if you dont have health coverage, you can probably be self taught to approximate many of the cornerstone key therapies for Speech, ABA, OT (sensory diet) and social skills training evben if you arent a professional. its may not be as good, buts its 100,000x better than waiting. If you are at all interested in talking to me personally or learning about interventions please write me at I will talk to you for as long as you need and share everything i have learned as did all of the Mothers that have helped me get to where we are. I made a promise that if anyone crossed my path whos child may benefit from what i have learned, i would offer them as much time, advice and support as they are receptive to. if they get offended or upset or think I am full of myself, thats a risk I'm willing to take. This is what we do in this community, pay it forward.
your son can absolutely have a bright normal future. and its never too late!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 8:20:53 AM PDT
Are you a candidate for surgery? My family have a genetic predisposition to hiatal hernia. So far, it hasn't hit me. I have had stomach problems and assumed that was it. My doctor said if I had it, I could have surgery, and that it's far removed from the nightmare it was for people fifty years ago. Turns out my problem was gallstones. No GERD, no hernia. It can't hurt you to look into surgery for it. Having my gallbladder removed was my first surgery, well my only one so far. It is so nice to be able to eat dinner, then sleep through the night, and not wake up with unbearable pain.

Posted on May 12, 2012 9:37:57 AM PDT
While I disagree with your APPROACH on the matter, I have to agree that so many people (mainly women) believe that going gluten-free is a fantastic weight-loss method. It is not. It can be harmful to eliminate wheat, gluten and types of grains that cause reactions without a necessary reason. I haven't been diagnosed with Celiac or been tested positive for any sort of gluten issue, but I have an aunt with SEVERE Celiac Disease and she's EXTREMELY knowledgeable on the matter and mentioned it can run in families and stress more or less triggers it to come full-force. For years I'd have severe brain fog, migraines, horrible symptoms of Fibromyalgia, gained so much weight even while not eating enough to gain it, etc, etc. Two weeks after eliminating gluten from my diet entirely, my brain fog cleared, I was able to finally get A's in college, my bloating started to go, my joints and pains went away. After a few more weeks I tried something with gluten and I immediately felt horrible and it took 3 days to feel right again. Anytime I cross-contaminate I feel awful for 2-4 days with no relief. Not to mention my soy and peanut reactions that have come along for the ride. (These are associated with Celiac and/or just a mild gluten intolerance)

Anyway, I apologize for the life-story post everyone loves so much. I'd LOVE to be able to eat bread again, and regular pasta. I'd LOVE to be able to eat any type of cereal on the market. I'd love to be able to cook in a kitchen without washing my hands 19 times just to bake something in the oven.

One more thing: it's always been known that wheat products or anything starchy will cause bloating and fatigue. Eating bread and pasta every day has always caused bloating and fatigue so I'm not sure why this is a new study? Those that want to be trendy with going gluten-free must have nice paychecks because it costs a fortune. Good luck to you and your debts...because I'd much rather eat the cheap bread than my $6.00 for tiny bread in a half loaf...that's hard as a rock.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 9:44:33 AM PDT
Doug says:
shut up you dumb wanker

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 9:47:56 AM PDT
Doug says:
go and read some more Chuck Palahniuk and prove how 'free-thinking' you are... and ultimately, attention-seek further with another piece of writing that goes on for so long when the whole thing was just summarised in your 'I'm gonna spoon-feed you MY opinion'/2 cents (or two pence, just in case it's an American voice you've somewhat pretentiously adopted)

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 10:49:41 AM PDT
"Are we clear"? Who made you an authourity? A little narcissitic, huh?

Some people do have gluten intolerance. ALL people enjoy better digestion, clearer thinking, better energy when ingesting a minimum of gluten. Try it. I am by no means "gluten intolerant, but when I don't eat gluten, dairy, vegetable oils, or sugar I feel happier and healthier than I do otherwise.

Think about how wheat grows.... It's harvested in the fall. Late fall. Consider how we lived before the development of refrigeration. Root crops and grains were what we ate in the winter because they were less perishable than fresh vegetables and meat. Wheat was what you ate when there was nothing else to eat. Then along came the commercialization and industrialization of the food industry. Sliced bread in plastic packages delivered by truck was a wonderful invention. We evolved eating wheat as a stand-by food when everything else was gone. It's low in nutritional vaule, hard to process, hard to cook, and it really doesn't even taste very good. (try a handful of flour. yummy, huh?)

Since you're ignorant about it and probably live on donuts, white bread and pizza crust, all the "gluten-free" folks must be ignorant, too, right> Why you feel so threatened by what other do? Get some therapy.

Are we clear?

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 5:15:54 PM PDT
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ParrotSlave says:
Michael, when it comes to cooking meat, just think of the probable survival difference between two otherwise identical groups, one which cooked meat, one which didn't: the one that cooked meat would have had fewer infectious diseases, the meat could have been stored longer without additional processing, and the energy efficiency of the food would have been greater--less energy required to digest it. One separate advantage of using fire would be greater survival by keeping predators at bay. The survival advantages conferred by the use of fire are overwhelming. One overlooked factor is the sensory advantage: it's not quite in the realm of multitasking with playstations and televisions, but cooking meat is bound to stimulate more sensory cells than eating raw meat, just from the smoke, and that extra stimulation may have been the actual push.

It all started when my great-great-...-grandfather, Thang (384,792 BC - 384,726 BC) was out hunting with his two faithful wolves, not yet domesticated, yet always around, Merkol and Whalet, when they passed the site of a recent forest fire. There, wedged between two trees, was the well-done body of a baby mastadon, upon which the wolves had begun to feast. Curious, Thang decided to taste it himself, found it delicious, and from then on, the whole cave community would take forest fires as their time for feasting. Eventually they learned to tame the fire itself. These habits they passed down even unto my parents and myself, manifested as a love of barbeque and steaks.

I understand that the Paleo freaks are divided into cults. Some of them say this prayer every day--"Give us this day our daily mastadon"--while others say, "Give us this day our daily sabertooth." Being that mastadon is in short supply at supermarkets, they have diversified even further these days. I understand that the Kroger cult ("Give us this day our daily meat from Kroger") is constantly at war with the Safeway cult ("Give us this day our daily meat from Safeway"), for instance. They also argue, I hear, about some kind of "wafers" that they give out at their weekly Sunday ceremonies. Some wafers are made up of fat mixed with dried bone marrow, while others think it is more in keeping with the Creator's wishes to have the wafers made of plain jerky. None will allow plant material to be incorporated, especially grain plants, since the Creator, as we all know, did not create grain; it was put on earth by the Creator's Adversary, for the sole purpose of creating disease among humans. That Adversary sponsors competing groups that gather together on a weekly basis also, but which is thankful for "daily bread."

Regarding canine co-evolution with humans, the idea makes sense. See I've wondered about horses, also, and although it is apparent that the last few thousand years would have been dramatically different without the horse as a work animal, there does not appear to have been much effect on the horse itself (other than the elimination of it as a wild animal in much of the world long ago due to it having been used as a food animal.) (See

I would guess that the history of language IS the history of society. But I have a devil's advocate alternate hypothesis: language arose as a result of gang organization. Humans had to gather together in gangs to protect themselves and their assets, and required language to do so, and when thieves started to gather together also, that created the inevitable march toward government, nations, and English teachers.

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