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What exactly do people have against hippies/liberals?

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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 9, 2011 6:10:16 PM PDT
Bigclams says:
My good friend Daniel,
I must admit I haven't been very good at staying abreast of your rants.
I've been out in the desert with my conservative beer-drinking rowdy friends.
We took the dirt bikes and our shotguns, and had a blast.
Why? because we can.
I did miss your grandstanding!
Freedom from the liberal viewpoint. Great stuff. In our civilized world, the pen truly is mightier than the sword. I guess so long as everyone agrees with you, then you're fat and happy. Good for you. You just keep on keepin'-on Skippy.
The world really does revolve around you, we're just to far afield to realize it.
I'm out.
Head on a string? Nice touch...

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 10, 2011 3:30:27 AM PDT
Can't argue with that.

And the nice thing about having fun as a way of life... you don't have to tell the truth if you don't want to.

Or think.

Or be accountable.

Or do the right thing.

Why? Because you can.

Posted on Oct 10, 2011 2:05:19 PM PDT
So it seems my preference for truth being used in discusssions has, um, put a cap on the discussion?

Is that an accurate statement, or do you all think that I'm just "out of line," or "ranting," as Michael put it?

/r?nt/ Show Spelled[rant] Show IPA
verb (used without object)
to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way; rave: The demagogue ranted for hours.
verb (used with object)
to utter or declaim in a ranting manner.

I suppose, since we all "hear" text differently, depending on what our own internal dialog makes of it, that he might have a point with the second definition -- if we could but listen to what his own head made my words sound like to him.

But I assure you, me writing it was not done "in a ranting manner," but with frequent pauses to find just the right word or image to express ideas, relating to honesty in communication, that Michael seemed ever more resistant to even grasping.


Posted on Oct 11, 2011 3:07:22 PM PDT
DonkaDoo says:

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 11, 2011 3:09:16 PM PDT
No idea.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 11, 2011 9:11:25 PM PDT
Cc says:
OMG - you sound exactly like my 'Christian' neighbor - verbatim! And she has college degrees in nothing! However, she also judges people by their looks and tears folks down because I guess she thinks she is ALL-KNOWING and RIGHT!...She definitely considers herself better-than-them and that alone gives her license to down others. You apparently nourish your critical 'judgementalism' from Murdock-owned / agenda-driven Fox News. It's her only avenue to 'knowledge' as well.

Anyway, your comment that "...liberals seem to be against everything to do with God. Liberals see God as the enemy..."

WRONG-O - I'm against everyone that pretends to be a GOD! Self-proclaimed crusaders who think they're the authority on God. They spout that they know who God is. They spout that they know what God wants, and they think they have the right to act as a GOD!

These self-inflated false gods then 'self-righteously' go about killing /destroying 'those other people'.
It's a very, very old story..The ultimate goal has nothing to do with God - It is greed- plain & simple.
"In the name of God" - we'll rape, pillage and destroy 'those other people' (Crusades, etc...).
"In the name of God" - we will annihilate 'those other people' who don't think our way (Inquisition, American Indians, etc...).
"In the name of God" - we will torture, abuse and exploit 'those other people' (men, women, & children) etc...etc...etc...It's a very, very old story.

And you continue to embrace and re-spout this stuff...this the name of GOD???
What is really being said here is ...No one matters but me! I am God! - I will 'acquire and get for me, and to hell with everyone else!.......YUK -
I'd much rather be associated with an 'externally' unkempt person, rather than an 'internally' putrid, rotting soul, whose miserable existence wants only to spread hate and destruction, for their own personal gain -all the while hiding behind the name of GOD.
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
You will know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:16

Posted on Oct 12, 2011 6:35:39 AM PDT
J. Cox says:
I guess my problem with them is they talk about tolerance all the time and have none of their own. If you disagree with them you're homophobic or racist or a capitalist crony or a teabagger, etc, etc etc. I guess freedom of speech only applies if you agree with them.

Posted on Oct 12, 2011 2:26:52 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 12, 2011 2:27:51 PM PDT
Liberals are only guaranteed to be INtolerant to one thing: intolerance.

Maybe you expressed homophobic, racist, Capitalist-Crony, or Tea Gabber sentiments, and THAT is why you were treated to a dose of a Liberal's opinions of YOUR opinions.

And that Liberal was NOT acting to suppress YOUR freedom of speech, but simply and only to exercise HIS OWN freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech does NOT mean that that speech is guaranteed not to be challenged!

On the contrary, freedom of speech for everyone practically GUARANTEES that whatever you say WILL be challenged by someone. That is the NATURE of Freedom of Speech as a common right.

To object to that feature of it, is to object to the right being applied to your opponents as well as yourself. And to take that view, removes the right of free speech entirely, and makes it instead a limited privilege for you only.

My guess is that your objection originated in Church. In Church, the speech is highly constrained, and everyone just nods and hallelujahs, because they all agree.

But out here in the REAL WORLD, everyone does NOT agree -- or why would we even NEED the right to free speech?.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 12, 2011 3:56:50 PM PDT
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Posted on Oct 12, 2011 7:58:06 PM PDT
Amazon Adict says:
wow I did not miss much.. BUT, in the words of Johnny Carson.."I did not know that." I just heard that in SOME states corporations pay NO tax. But here I see the GE pays some . Yeah I think OCCUPY WALL STREET is one way to get out of this party smarty talk. And why one party is innocent and the other is crazy for caring about their mortgage, loss of home value, job, pension cancelled, Medicare near death.. and ''some'' believe its all because there ARE poor folks stealing everything.. as if this nation, which always COULD EASILY help CITIZENS, is suddenly unable, and its all cuza Obama. It cant be the war, the bank cluster fest. Or how the CEO's now make 1000 per cent more and yet they dont employ anyone 'much' in the usa. Whatta suprise some folks, so sure POOR people are a 'fraud' and yet.. her kids are groooveee.. and 'maybe' hippies// I bet she needs them to still love her, and really badly. I got to GO.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 2:44:33 PM PDT
Anne Ward says:
I am with you all the way. Where do you live? Where do like minded people live? I can't seem to find them!

Posted on Jun 13, 2012 3:43:13 PM PDT
Amazon Adict says:
Yeah, Amethyst woman is cool. Hey I wear deodarant without aluminum chlorhydrate and eat organic as I have severe sensitivities to the krap added to our food..most all of our food. (Corn syrup is illegal in Europe. Remember when we thought Europe was an area full of peasants and hairy armpits..? Wellnow, they have cleaner cosmetics, food and air.. who looks like the tail is waggin the dog? WE DO)
There are lots of people startin to come out to find others who have had enough of all the rich robber baron garbage. If the 1% of people, who are actually rich, would pay their FAIR share of taxes.. our honest-earned pensions, over-paid mortgages, and gasoline cars, all could be turned into honest rewards for hard work, and pride in the types of cars AND TRUCKS that would save our environment.
But hey, I am 'only' a canary in a coal mine if I spoke alone. With ALL the MASSES getting out, in the heat and cold, to demonstrate peacefully.. WE will be the majority that we always have been. When the so called hippies were gunned down in '68 (I was there but not in the teargas or gunfire).. when that happened.. And the peaceful faction of the Black Panthers were killed in their homes while sleeping.. lots of us shut up and kept quiet. THAT was allowed.. murder. its on the books. Now, its not legal and the much larger population (like 20 times more people, I dunno maybe its 100 times more..) we the people, the majority, know we have the numbers and the right to freedom of speech and we are ok to use it. I
Its almost funny to hear the press pretend they 'dont understand why people are demonstrating..' yeah right. So many reasons their talking heads would spin into the stratosphere. So many wrongs that have to be changed, and soon.
CUZ too many people are fed up, hurting, starving, living poorly, eating poorly and cant get even a low-pay lousy junk-job with long hours. This is not why we left the old countries to start a new one. We did a lot of things wrong in the beginning, unspeakably wrong, but we did agree on rights.. and those rights are so out of whack, again now, that too many people are hurt.
I hope this qualifies for hippie, but I dont dig that word. I dig that it stands for 'everything the media/rich folk dont want to answer for. And we aren't going to let the media stop no train no mo. how am I doon. peace /- would be a great place to start./

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 4:59:12 PM PDT
sooo right lol I mean right on.... many of us ex hippies left wing liberal so called bleeding hearts still exist and our hearts still bleed for those who cannot speak for themselves... many of us are educated (I have 5 degrees) and put our time, money, sign carrying and letter writing (albeit e-mail now) to use still. And I don't think its the pinky commies you want back...communism is just bastardized socialism..... we want true untainted socialism... love of people, tolerance, justice (although when I was a hippie in 60's and 70's my mom called me a bigot's bigot....I don't tolerate bigotry and hypocrisy still but I respect people's right to an opinion

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 5:01:48 PM PDT
oh my a really short sighted and I must say ignorant view

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 5:03:51 PM PDT
and yet you spell there as their and obviously look down at the 'lesser' people oh my

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 5:07:22 PM PDT
and you are right on I might as Ann how is marxist fantasy worse than wishing on a star; hoping for a more utopic world for all

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 5:12:17 PM PDT
a term more aptly applied to Bush and sons..... who think all Americans are so blind that we can't see they were vested in oil business and we oly call in the forces and kill our next generation of fathers to control the oil...certainly not to stop blood diamonds or 24000 children a day yes 24,000 a day who die from starvation or disease which we COULD DO something about

Posted on Jun 13, 2012 6:12:11 PM PDT
I am a Republican. I am very educated. When I enlisted in the United States Marine Corps, I scored a 96 on my ASVAB. If you would like to see the problem with hippies/liberals, look at the comments here. Persistent sloganeering, slander, and judging of other beliefs. The issue isn't political views, the issue is the stereotype from the loud ones you hear everywhere. I have many liberal friends that are intelligent, well-spoken, and understand that it takes all opinions to make the world work.
People throw around the phrase "FAUX news" as if Fox is the only news network that has credibility issues. Those people are the ones that reject any view that does not coincide with their own.
Before anyone starts throwing around accusations, I am Republican. As in, I believe in the republic we live in. I am all for the nation being a capitalist nation as it was founded, not these bailout programs perpetrated by the recent politicians. I vote based on common sense, not political affiliations. I listen to Fox, NBC, CNN, NPR, and various independent news sources. The only way to find a truly balanced opinion is to listen to ALL accounts and form your opinion after.
What I am saying is that there are issues on both sides, but the negative stereotype is based on the people that are loud, obnoxious, and insist that they are smart and everyone with any other view is below them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 10:31:42 PM PDT
Amazon Adict says:
I wonder, where is this sloganeering and slander you say is here on this discussion site. Maybe you can show me the liberal hippies that are here. I seem to have blurred who is who here.
I am glad you are intelligent and thanks, for your time in the Marine Corps. Yes, my brother served on a carrier in Vietnam. He died after he returned from a 6 month stay. I dont wish to go into my resume, although I am quite proud of my career accomplishments and intellectual capabilities. I think what counts is hard work and lots of it.
I found a lot of heated discussions here, but not so much of the judgement towards hippies -in particular..
Its more of a political, civil rights, what is democracy all about, what is the USA going to do with their starving people sort of lively-chat.
Also, I do admit that I wonder how you know that "the loud ones" that you say are also "arrogant" are somehow HIPPIES? OK a few people mentioned 'peace and love' - but I did not find them arrogant.
I hope asking you about your comment is not seen as rude. But that's kind of what sites like this do after all. Chat, that is.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 11:06:31 PM PDT
Amy Denis says:
Nicholas, I also, Thank you for the time you served (or continue to serve - you did not state if you still enlisted) for our military. My son is about to enter the USMC this fall(he scored a 98 on his ASVAB...sry had to throw in a small dig there call it a mother's pride) Where I am glad you balance your information from many sources as I do - as we all should...My only issue, if I can even call it that was your statement..."not these bailout programs perpetrated by the recent politicians." I do hope you remember they began with TARP enacted by Bush and if I recall he is a Republican.
I do strongly agree that there are issues on both sides. I don't have the answers, wish I did. I wish the politicians in power would stop the in fighting and work together for our benefit - that would help a lot!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 8:31:41 AM PDT
F.U.AMAZON says:
I agree with you. This goes along with saying that someone "runs like a girl" or "throws like a girl" or "cries like a girl in a pink tutu". Why is being a girl an insult?????

Posted on Jun 14, 2012 8:55:28 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 14, 2012 8:57:54 AM PDT
On one hand, their idealism and utopian view of what the world "could be" is both refreshing and a needed counter-balance to the hardcore power-and-money crowd.

On the other hand, they also tend to be shallow, emotional "thinkers" who don't research or citically analyze, and grab on to something/someone just because they seem/sound so great. (As the saying goes, "If it sounds too good to be true - it probably IS too good to be true.")

Obama is a classic example. He sounded great, but had NO business or managerial experience, staffed his Cabinet with other clueless scholars with untested theories, and has brought this country to its knees. He's also totally corrupt, and has been on Judicial Watch's yearly "Ten Most Corrupt Government Officials/Politicians" lists for five consecutive years!

I try to find a balance, and do a lot of on-line research.

Posted on Jun 14, 2012 11:03:57 AM PDT
Lexxygore says:
My "problem" with most liberals/hippies (In my area, I live in the south so it is most likely different elsewhere, I am also fairly young, just 18) is that most children are "liberal" simply because to them it means they can do whatever they want. Gay marriage, pot, ect. I am an advocate for gay rights. I am not gay myself, but I have family and friends that are. I myself look liberal, purple hair, facial piercings, and tattoos. I am very center, and do not like either conservatives or liberals, I find extremists from both sides to be fairly uneducated and very self centered, BOTH OF THEM!
I believe people need to work on being more self sufficient. I do not like how a woman with 5 kids can get child support, welfare, foodstamps, and Social Security and continue to pop out children and use the money for the children to buy themselves computers, Xboxs, Playstations, iPods, nothing that is needed for life. I do not like how with liberal government that only the very poor (Usually because they are ignorant and for the reason I just said above) and very rich are cared about. The middle class is easily forgotten, when they also have issues. No one cares for them, no one tries to help them. I have many a friend who are middle class and can not make ends meet still, but because they make over 1050$ a month no one cares.
We need to stop having free handouts, which is all I see with a mainly Democratic/liberal government. It does not help people get better, it only teaches them, and their children, therefor the next generations, if you complain enough and sit on your ass all day you can get everything you want from the government.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 11:41:53 AM PDT
Speaking as a Reform Hippie (I bathe, and don't consider pot mandatory), I'd say we committed the worst sin possible: we fought against the established order, let people know that they didn't have to suffer in daily life as much as they were, at least began to think of kinder and more humane ways of treating each other...and lost.

There's a large portion of the American public who believe that losing is the mark of having been wrong; I think it's a weird inheritance from Calvinist notions of the Elect and the Preterite. Or it could be less specifically American: the saying, 'When you strike at the King you must kill him,' predates this nation.

And, losing aside, many people have paid so dearly in suffering for their place, however mean, in society, that they resent anyone who claims that such were not really necessary.

Liberals? Oversimplified: we tell the rich that they didn't make it all by themselves, and so owe the rest something, however small, and in return they tell everyone else to hate us---and many of us _love_ sucking-up to the rich. We also helped to mess up the ability to say, 'I might be poor, I might be oppressed, I might be ignorant, but at least I'm white, so I'll always be better off than the d-mn n--g-rs.'

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 11:50:49 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 14, 2012 12:28:17 PM PDT
Neoamor says:
I take exception with the concept of "clueless".

IMO the systems of the U.S. government are functioning precisely as intended, and the people in those positions are very good at what they do. We as citizens are simply unable or unwilling to come to grips with WHY conditions continue to get progressively worse, no matter who does what.

Similar to a scenario where my new neighbor stops by and tells me he is going to the store, and in a neighborly gesture asks if I need anything. I give him a $20 bill to pick up a few items for me. He returns before long and tells me that he set the bill on the dashboard to remind himself to get my items for me, but the $20 bill unfortunately blew out the car window, and that he is very very sorry. Even though I don't remember hearing/seeing him pull out of his driveway. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. He asks if I still want the items, and says he'll be more careful this time. It's a bit awkward, but I give him another $20 bill, realizing that accidents can happen. He returns after 30 minutes, and tells me that unfortunately he had a hole in his pocket, he is very very sorry, and that the $20 bill must be in his yard somewhere. He tells me that after looking very hard to find my money for me, for well over an hour, he just can't find it. Considering he was only gone for 30 minutes the second time, I must conclude that he is lying. About everything, and that:

My new neighbor is not neighborly at all, and has just ripped me off for 40 bucks, but established some level of plausible deniability by seeming neighborly at first. I didn't understand his true motivation initially. I trusted him. My new neighbor is in reality a liar and a con man, and I will never trust him again.

We as Americans keep handing over the $20 bills to the same types of people, expecting a different result. We keep seeing wrong decisions being made, that are attributed to ineptness. We are not mindful that the decisions are only wrong FOR US, not for the people making the decisions. We forward semi-humorous emails about how "clueless" our leaders are. What if they are NOT clueless, and we are just ignoring the possibility that their true motivations are not what they claim.

Judge situations by observable outcome, NOT claimed intent.
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