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What exactly do people have against hippies/liberals?

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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:03:32 AM PDT
"Mr. Wasson is falling into the trap"

It is you that have fallen so far into the "trap" that you are willing to indulge in revisionist history and attempt to firmly place the blame for the economy on a single party/administration.

Or are you really so naive that you believe a single party started all the current issues?

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 10:12:20 AM PDT
Tibor Machan says:
Wish there were actual arguments advanced here but instead what I see is endless finger pointing! Blaming someone requires proof, argument, like in a court of law. Otherwise it's all just hot air.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:17:38 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 10:41:05 AM PDT
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I am not sure what the "financial hot potato" was.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 11:53:44 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2012 12:05:26 PM PDT
Big Junda says:
FACT:The Democrats passed the Community Reinvestment Act in 1977.
FACT:Democrat bill clintoon used the CRA as a bludgeon to force banks to loan to people of inadequate financial means.
FACT: Democrats are the ones who fought all attempts to stop the inordinate risk taking by Fannie and Freddie. That is detailed in this videotape about one of the times the Bush administration held hearings attempting to rein in Fannie and Freddie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyqYY72PeRM
FACT: Democrats are the ones fighting for GSE'S to continue their imprudent lending, detailed in the aforementioned video.
FACT: Democrats were at the helm when the crash occurred, led by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank; whose lover Herb Moses worked at F&F.
FACT: The Bush administration started pushing for reform as early as 2001.

This is not revisionist history, it is historical FACT. I hope that clears it up for you, Mr. Wasson. And I rightfully place blame on a single party, in case you didn't catch that.

And the same thing is happening in healthcare today by the Democrats. FACT: Not one Republican, conservative or otherwise, voted for the ACA, ie obamacare.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 12:06:32 PM PDT
Your "facts" are not facts. THey are rhetoric. As was pointed out earlier the bankl were NEVER forced to lend money to people that could not pay it back.

"FACT: The Bush administration started pushing for reform as early as 2001."

So he had 6 years of a Rebuplican president AND a Republican Congress and did not fix the problem?

It is POLITICIANS selling us out, not a party. But you are too wrapped up in this Limbaughesque rhetoric to admit it.

FACT: Democrats were at the helm when the crash occurred,"led by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank; whose lover Herb Moses worked at F&F."

So? That does not mean they were responsible, any more than Bush was responsible for 9/11.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 12:20:18 PM PDT
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Big Junda says:
No, I am not too wrapped up in 'Limbaughesque' rhetoric, the facts are the facts. If they aren't facts, then I challenge you to disprove them with the real facts. Hell, I even posted a link to videotaped evidence to back up my argument, while you provide nothing but what Mr. Machan rightfully called 'hot air'.

Dodd and Frank were the heads of the Banking and Financial committees in the Senate and House, respectively. It happened on their watch, therefore they are responsible. Just as the left holds Bush responsible for 9/11. You can't have it both ways, Mr. Wasson.

And I have no loyalty to any party, politician or talk show host, just the Constitution.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 1:37:26 PM PDT
Junda: "Democrat bill clintoon used the CRA as a bludgeon to force banks to loan to people of inadequate financial means."

Again, you are just pushing right-wing mythology. The Community Reinvestment Act [CRA] was to get rid of loan discrimination based on zip codes and racial profiling. Well, since the banks actually bundled and resold those loans that they did not do a good job of making sure people could pay them back--they now try to blame the Democratic party for their refusing to do their jobs because they made all of that money off reselling the loans. If you actually believe what you are pushing, then you must buy all of the right-wing mythology.

Bush was president when the economy fell.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 2:05:39 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2012 2:12:59 PM PDT
You are absolutely right, Chris.

The democratic party and Clinton are 100% responsible for ALL the economic woes we are now enduring. No Republican had any knowledge and responsibility. They are soley responsible for all deregulation that made Enron and billion dollar ponzi schemes possible. And it was really their false intelligence that got us involved in 2 decades-old wars.

"And I have no loyalty to any party, politician or talk show host"

Nor do I. If fact, I once put on a uniform to defend that Constitution. I am self-sustaining, educated and responsible. I pay plenty of taxes and do not ask for special favors. I do however get sick of watching people point fingers and blame individuals and parties for the mess of the entire system.

"You can't have it both ways, Mr. Wasson."

Really? I have made that same argument for years! So the democratic congress was responsible for Reagan 80's prosperity then?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 2:07:15 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2012 2:23:43 PM PDT
Kathleen,

Don't argue. That is one of his heart-felt "facts"!

The majority of bad loans underlying the current financial crisis were written 2001 on, not 2007 on. The Bush Administration amended the CRA in 2004, yet huge numbers of toxic loans were still being written.

Also its very silly to equate subprime loans with inner city depressed areas. There are plenty of families earning a 100k a year buying 600k loans with a subprime mortgage or other creative financing, all of which is outside of CRA. Finally, CRA certainly is not responsible for the global housing bubble, that can only be made possible by instruments like credit swaps.

Unless you think the CRA is global?

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 4:11:49 PM PDT
VH says:
Actually I am fairly liberal and more than a few times I have been called "a hippie" by my students (though I was born about a decade after the hippie heyday). However, something that strikes me as inconsistent in most liberals is the general attitude toward abortion. I'm not crusading for the criminalization of early abortions, first of all because I don't think it can work, but it gets me how most liberals are champions of victims and animal rights, but couldn't care less about the biological (not religious) realities of human feticide. I used to work at a pathology lab that would receive POCs (their term for "products of conception") from the clinic upstairs and really, the euphemisms and butchery I faced couldn't help me from thinking this isn't far from something straight out of the Third Reich. If the animal rights movement could so quickly turn most of us off of wearing real fur and on to faux furs simply by information, moral argument, and protest, and if the whole sex revolution could come to a yield in fear of catching AIDS, I think we could do the same with abortion and the advocacy of adoption as a non-violent alternative.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 4:38:11 PM PDT
Big Junda says:
Hopefully, obama will be out of office before the economy falls again. He's done enough damage.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 4:45:59 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2012 5:14:01 PM PDT
Big Junda says:
If they aren't facts, Mr. Wasson, why can't you disprove them by presenting the real facts? You haven't credibly refuted one of them. Your response is one of smarmy condescension and rather childish. Do you have a link to back up your assertion Bush amended the CRA in 2004? I found legislation which amended the CRA in 2001. but nothing for 2004. I am not attacking you personally, just the more government is better fallacy.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 5:41:00 PM PDT
Michael, Yes, I "hear" you. I cannot believe how many times I have heard this ridiculous myth. I've responded twice.--I won't waste any more time.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 5:44:50 PM PDT
Big, what kind of damage are you speaking of? I am much happier with how Obama has handled the government than when GW Bush was in. He has not created any new wars that are not paid for, for example. I am very happy with Obama Cares [my name for the Affordable Care Act] since it saves money on Medicare by ending the subsidies to insurance companies and it is working on closing the donute hole for us seniors under Medicare D.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 6:48:56 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2012 6:58:15 PM PDT
Big Junda says:
The damage to which I am referring is the 5 trillion in new debt since 2009 and the downgrade of the nations credit rating, among other things. I realize you're elderly and all that debt doesn't mean a damn thing to you. But, I am surprised that you seemingly have no qualms about saddling your children, if you have any, with increased debt; on top of the 5 trillion they will be paying off thanks to obama.

What wars did Bush create?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 6:52:53 PM PDT
You left our the "not paid for" part.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 7:00:35 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2012 7:02:41 PM PDT
Big Junda says:
What wars did Bush create? Please answer the question.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 7:02:15 PM PDT
You left out the information about two wars Bush started and did not make any arrangements to pay for them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 7:03:25 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2012 7:07:06 PM PDT
Big Junda says:
Which two wars are you assuming Bush 'created '? According to the Constitution, only Congress can 'create' a war.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 7:05:43 PM PDT
You are perfectly aware that during Bush's watch he started two wars that he made no effort to pay for.

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 7:11:37 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 11, 2012 7:14:22 PM PDT
Big Junda says:
The Iraq war was not a war Bush 'created'. It was the enforcement of the terms of surrender agreed to by hussein after his forcible removal from Kuwait, which he invaded. And it was a coalition, not a unilateral, action.

The war in Afghanistan was in response to 9/11 because al Qaeda was headquartered in Afghanistan. Perhaps you are comfortable with over 3.000 people murdered, in a heinous manner for no reason.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 7:21:50 PM PDT
Big Junda says:
Hippies did not start the battle for women's equality nor equal rights. But, I am a little unclear what you mean by 'equal rights'? Are you referring to equal rights in a gender, racial or some other sense?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 7:29:12 PM PDT
However, neither of the wars were funded--the costs were left off budget until Obama came into office and began cleaning up the mess that GW Bush left. That was my point--they were unfunded.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 7:33:10 PM PDT
The hippy movement was a political & spiritual movement. It had many pieces and parts to it. There are those that believe that its creative influence was so great in the SF bay area that it ultimately led to the dom.com miracle. Although, I had a full time job during the hippy movement in the 1960's & 70's, I was profounded influenced by the spiritual aspect of the hippy way. There has been a huge disinformation campaign against the hippy movement since it brought out into the open the worst elements of our society. Those connected to those elements did not like being exposed.
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