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What exactly do people have against hippies/liberals?

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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 5:52:51 AM PDT
You take the time to examine and try to explain yourself in a coherent, heartfelt manner. This, unfortunately, is rare and becoming almost exceptional. I commend you and encourage anyone visiting this forum to do the same. For one thing, you'll be happier and more at peace.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 5:53:21 AM PDT
You are right, I cannot judge your relationship with God. However, I can judge your knowledge about it. Yes, when I say scripture, I am talking about the Bible. The apostle Paul wrote to some people and said, "You err, not knowing the scripture." Scripture teaches that there is one path to God. "Jesus said, (paraphrasing) "Straight is the way and narrow is the path that lead to life and few there be that find it. Wide is the gate that leads to destruction." He also said, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me." You have a right to your opinion about there being many paths, but you disagree with the foremost expert in the field. Jesus. Think about it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 5:55:43 AM PDT
Thank you for realizing and attesting to the unfortunate reality that the "right" is seldom right. Although the "left" is sometimes wrong, when voting I generally go with them. Far from perfect but at least less poisonous.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 6:00:09 AM PDT
Ann, I haven't seen many liberals in Walmart. In order to be a liberal you must be aware and there are not too many aware people in the whole world. And your book reading doesn't seem to have bestowed real awareness on you. Examine your prejudices and you'll begin to enhjoy life a lot more. And stop using cliches and sweeping condemnations. If you are truly God-loving that's a must.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 6:01:53 AM PDT
Which your post is a prime example of, Lowell

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 4:56:04 PM PDT
Clarinet: "No one comes to the Father except by me." You have a right to your opinion about there being many paths, but you disagree with the foremost expert in the field. Jesus."

I have a great relationship with Jesus. My interpretation of that phrase is that you must do what Jesus did to achieve enlightenment. That does not mean that you have to read the Bible--Jesus did not write the Bible.

Posted on Jul 15, 2012 8:28:35 PM PDT
You are right when you say that Jesus did not write the Bible. He did, however read the Bible which was available during His lifetime. He was an expert in it, and he taught others what it meant. (The Old Testament) He told His disciples that the entire Old Testament was about Him. (After His resurrection, on the road to Emmaus.) When He was tempted by the Devil, He answered with quotations from the Bible. The early Christians understood who Jesus was by reading the Bible, and their relationship with Him was based on real knowledge of Him learned from prophesies about Him and by talking to people who had known Him or seen Him. People today would have no knowledge of Him whatsoever if it were not for the Bible. Christianity is a REVEALED religion. It does not bubble up out of our socks. If you did read the Bible, you would know that a relationship with Jesus is by faith. The Bible says that,, "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." I am glad you are passionate about this, but, "You err, not knowing the scriptures." As Paul told the Romans about someone, "I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge."

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 10:58:56 PM PDT
"Faux". Now that's cute.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 10:59:57 PM PDT
An intellectual.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 15, 2012 11:42:51 PM PDT
A better question: what don't people have against them. They are obnoxiousness, personified.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 1:52:49 AM PDT
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A. Ayala says:
Ann, I'd say that liberals are more for god, in that they want to take care of everyone, especially those with less money. Isn't one of the things Christianity promote is helping the lesser man? There are poor people working harder than any millionaire/billionaire and yet I don't see them making millions themselves. And you accuse people of being lazy when they are not rich. The world doesn't work that way. Those who are rich are so by taking advantage of others. Paying them minimum wage to make millions is one example, sending jobs to China is another. Did you know the richest Americans control 40% of the wealth in the United States? When Clinton was in office they controlled below 38%. Do you see the jobless rates? The rich got us into this mess and you tea baggers continue to view them as saints helping American. I will say no to your idiocy thank you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 3:13:08 AM PDT
I understand where you are coming from. Growing up I often thought about how bad the "free-loader" problem was.

Here is the thing though, there are so many ways to define people. I know some people that literally only know how to talk bad about others in conversation. It is just the most ridiculous thing. What we need to do is stop caring about why we are so different from each other. I believe that this is a certainty. The only thing is that our current model economy only serves to exploit anything good or human in the name of profit and personal gain. We need to start thinking outside of the box a little...If I were president, the first thing I would do is to dismantle the party system. As clearly stated many times in this blog, it does not really matter which side of the fence you are on these days. Along with slamming the party system, I would make all elections would be handled by popular vote. Then maybe we could get people in office that are worth a damn.

One more thing...the root of all of the problems of the earth is MONEY. If you will try, I bet you all could start to see that this is truly the case. People usually just believe that we need money in society to survive. This is just not true. We need to start realizing how controlled of a people we are. Science says that social environment is the largest contributor to who we think of as ourselves. This causes hate for anything other than the "norm" along with many other things. The social walls in our current civilization that make up the social norm only serve to hold us down by not allowing for unbiased or unfiltered thought. The fact is that the ball is slowing down and if we are not careful as a people, we might find ourselves in a real pickle.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 3:15:50 AM PDT
I AGREE.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 3:21:57 AM PDT
hippies spend their time loving while anyone hating is spending time hating...this is very clear to me

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 4:29:01 AM PDT
I like your comments... where have all the hippies gone?? they got our seniors and mentally disabled little brothers

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 6:07:40 AM PDT
Duplantis: "If I were president, the first thing I would do is to dismantle the party system. As clearly stated many times in this blog, it does not really matter which side of the fence you are on these days. Along with slamming the party system, I would make all elections would be handled by popular vote. Then maybe we could get people in office that are worth a damn."

This kind of drivel is a perfect representation of the problem with liberals. They HATE the system of government given to us by the founding fathers of our country. We have a constitution! Even if you were president you couldn't unilaterally dismantle the party system and change the way our leaders are selected. Only a dictator could do that. This system has given us a nation with the greatest prosperity in the history of the world. I have lived in a former iron curtain nation, and it looks like a bombed out, war-torn place. That is the fruit of what you want to do. We are the only nation in modern history that has to build fences to keep people out. The socialist nations build fences to keep people IN. The reason people want to come here is because they have a chance to improve themselves, which is not available where they live, because their current nation is controlled by a dictator who will not let them do so and takes extraordinary means to prevent their going somewhere where they can.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 9:16:52 AM PDT
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Ayala: "Ann, I'd say that liberals are more for god, in that they want to take care of everyone, especially those with less money. Isn't one of the things Christianity promote is helping the lesser man?"
Well...... yes. Christianity is about encouraging people to voluntarily give of their abundance to help the poor. Socialism is about using government power to force people to give to others against their will. God promises to bless people who give. When force is used it removes the blessing. When I give to someone, I vet them to see if I believe they are deserving. The government gives to people in order to assure that they will vote a certain way. The Bible teaches that God expects certain behavior from me, but He allows me the opportunity to decide if I want to obey Him. The government is therefore more stringent and more judgmental than God.

"He who gives to the poor, lends to God. And He will pay back what he has given." Proverbs 19:17
God will pay back what you GIVE to the poor. He does not discuss what He will do about what is extorted from you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 11:05:28 AM PDT
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Clarinet--knowing Jesus is much more valuable than reading any book including the old and new testaments. It is nice to do spiritual reading to inspire, but it cannot be replaced by knowing God/Jesus. You can hear the word of God through a personal relationship with God. You do not have to read the words.

You are a Paulist, not a Christian, since you quote Paul, correct?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 11:08:08 AM PDT
Some of the greatest people I have known live the hippie way. Of course, after 40 years, you would not recognize them as hippies. The hippy movement ended, for all intents and pursposes, in the laste 1970's. Hate to disappoint you, but those of us following the hippie way cannot be identified by what we look like or even our politics.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 11:09:12 AM PDT
All of the hippies are still in their communities making those communities better.

Posted on Jul 16, 2012 2:00:36 PM PDT
Sassy Lady says:
The way I remember the hippies is they were anti-war unless in self-defense. They were for personal freedoms unless they hurt others. They were for drug use by consenting adults. They were for "free love" (sex) with any consenting adults. They were anti-establishment as far getting into wars and propping up dictators. They were a reactionary movement against the Vietnam War. They believed it was an unjust war. These are just a few views I remember about that time. And a Liberal is anyone who is not a Republican.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 2:46:50 PM PDT
Kathleen M. Pelley: " Clarinet--knowing Jesus is much more valuable than reading any book including the old and new testaments. It is nice to do spiritual reading to inspire, but it cannot be replaced by knowing God/Jesus. You can hear the word of God through a personal relationship with God. You do not have to read the words.
You are a Paulist, not a Christian, since you quote Paul, correct?"

If you do not read the Bible, you do not know for sure with WHOM you have a relationship. Paul was an apostle of Jesus,called by Him to be His spokesman to people who were not Jews by birth. He wrote more of the Bible than any one man.
"But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from WHOM (emphasis mine) you have learned them. And that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:14 - 16
Paul saw Jesus face to face and was highly favored by Him. It's not nice to dis him.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 16, 2012 3:08:34 PM PDT
Clarinet: "If you do not read the Bible, you do not know for sure with WHOM you have a relationship."

I would say that is your problem not mine. I have read the Bible, but Jesus has been with me at all times since the mid-1980's. My relationship with Jesus is personal. I would suggest that you work on connecting with Jesus so that he is with you all of the time as he is with me. Then you won't need to constantly quote the Bible beating people over the head with quotes.

Yes, you are a Paulist--yes Paul was a disciple. I know that, but that does not mean that he was highly evolved spiritually. It just means he was a follower when Jesus was alive. I doubt his relationship to Jesus was any greater than Thomas Merton, St Francis, etc.

Posted on Jul 17, 2012 8:27:14 PM PDT
We have wandered far from the OP's question, unless we are going to judge people by their Christian faith rather than by their politics. I don't believe in a god, so I guess that makes me a bad liberal instead of a good conservative. At least, that is always the impression I get from other conservatives, that they are all good Christians, and liberals are all atheists or Muslims or bad Christians. Jesus and I are not on speaking terms at the moment, but that could change, I suppose. Say, what do you conservatives think of Mormons? Do you suppose that magic underwear works?

Posted on Jul 17, 2012 8:58:01 PM PDT
Araminta says:
Extremists of any persuasion put others down by using derogatory terms. Right wing nuts put hippies down. Left wing nuts put conservatives down. Radical atheists deride Christians; radical fundamentalist Christians put atheists & all other religions down, as do radical Islamists. Meat-eaters slam vegetarians & vegans; vegans slam meat eaters. It goes on and on and on. So, it is not just liberals/hippies who get short shrift. Your true inner character, regardless of religious/political leanings, is determined by how you treat those whose beliefs are at odds with your own.
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