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In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2012 7:20:42 AM PDT
My spiritual advisor took one look at your post and said "Joke!"

Posted on May 23, 2012 6:03:54 AM PDT
I just want to say, I found this post to be hilarious! :-D

Posted on May 23, 2012 4:34:19 AM PDT
monkeytot says:
Well my Spiritual Advisor knew that I was gluten intolerant just by looking at me. "No wheat. No dairy" she said. And I have been off it for years and never felt better or more connected to The Goddess!! So save your snartk for elsewhere, cause yr just gonna get flamed here, bro!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 23, 2012 12:36:28 AM PDT
LKM: Corn is great. It is nutritious. It is delicious. It is versatile. And I, despite my gluten allergy, have no problem eating it. But my two kids DO have a problem eating GMO corn. No, they did not genetically modify fiber out of it to my knowledge. But fact is that they did genetically modified the protein in corn. They did so with very good intentions: the protein in GMO corn repels insects, and as a result we don't have to put so much insecticide on corn. That is great for most humans. Unfortunately, due to the law of unintended consequences, the body of some humans stopped recognizing the new corn as corn. The immune system of my two daughters react to corn as though it is attacking their body (an allergic reaction). Their immune system continues to produce histamine and fight the attack from the harmless corn they ingested for about 3 weeks. So corn is great for most people, but GMO corn is terrible for some people.

As for the gluten free craze... I assure you the problem for most of us is the wheat or gluten. And your theory of it being about processed grains is logical, but in practice it does not hold. Some of the gluten free stuff I eat is far more processed than the whole wheat bread I was eating before. The frozen dinners I eat a few times a week have about twice the fat as the ones I used to eat before. I used to eat chips about once a month or less at parties, now I eat potato chips a couple of times a week (in lieu of pita bread or pita chips, to eat with hummus or guacamole or beans). The potato chips have more fat and calories than pita. I have found gluten free cookies, muffins, cakes, chocolate, pizza, breads, and sandwiches and I eat them. They have more sugar and fat and sometimes even more calories than the stuff I used to eat. Still, I have lost weight. I think the weight loss has to do with eating less because I am not so tired all the time, and because of having to eliminate sauces when I eat out (soy sauce, BBQ sauce, salad dressing, and pretty much almost any sauce other than ketchup or mustard). And since I only eat out once a week or less, I think it has more to do with the not eating out of exhaustion.

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012 11:59:51 PM PDT
BackYardWildLife: I experienced the higher energy level and nap skip too, but I did not have trouble sleeping at night. If anything, my night sleep improved. I stopped waking up several times a night and now wake up refreshed instead of still sleepy and dead tired.
One theory: Maybe you don't need as much sleep as you thought. Some people require less sleep. Eight hours is the average, which technically means half the people need less. About 50% of people need between 7 and 9 hours of sleep. It is possible that you are in the 25 percent that needs less than 7 hours to be refreshed.
Another theory: Your body may be in fight or flight mode due to the drastic diet change. Make sure that you are replacing the vitamins and minerals that you used to get from gluten-rich foods from other sources.
Once you do figure it out, please educate me. Unfortunately the research is lagging, so for now anecdotal findings is better than nothing.

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012 11:48:48 PM PDT
S. McLain: Now that was hilarious! Essentially you say to not buy into certain hypes, but to only buy into the hypes that you personally believe in. Don't avoid gluten, avoid the air at the gym. Don't buy "organic craze sweeping the nation" but buy "organic and free range natural." And sorry, but most of us don't have the time or resources to grow our own food. Even farmers don't grow all of their own food.
And regarding your advice to buy from local farmers and to shun the giant corporations, what if the local grower/farmer IS a giant corporation? Each giant corporation physically exists at a location you know. They are not evil for being big. Though I have felt like wringing their necks when I call to ask if the "natural flavoring" or "food starch" in their product contains things my kids are allergic to and they tell me "sorry that's propitiatory information." They have the right to keep their proprietary information secret, and I have the right to not buy their product and go with a competitor. That is how a free society works. And it is already a democracy: each item purchased is like a vote. Some people vote for cheapest, some for best tasting, some for healthiest, some for a balance, some for unusual needs such as food intolerance/allergy/sensitivity, etc.

In reply to an earlier post on May 22, 2012 11:33:06 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 22, 2012 11:36:33 AM PDT
LoonyDoll says:
What is obvious is that Coconut was deliberately piled up on. Things got out of hand, either party decided to start pretending they had some incredible wit the other didn't (Mostly the people who were offended, with such dusty stale gems as 'YOU'RE ATTACKING SOMEONE UNARMED IN A BATTLE OF WITS!' Yea, nothing proves your superiority more than repeating other people's phrases to insult each other.) - the difference is that Coconut can't mark you all down 20 times. You're silly if you think Coconut's posts were all marked down as this discussion continued, as well.

So these people come into a topic someone starts, marking everything they say down, while raising their little flag and declaring the thread a gluten-free state.

There are plenty of crappy posts that are nothing but direct assaults to Coconut or just conjecture, and they're marked straight up off the charts because so many of you just "like" them. It's amazing how inaccurate the vote system is - it's all a matter of what side of the argument on.

Just know that it's not a discussion if you get every post in disagreement with you reported/marked as spam/useless. How utterly hopeless :P

Posted on May 22, 2012 7:19:51 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 22, 2012 9:03:41 AM PDT
I have a question. I went off wheat & gluten a few weeks ago. My pain level is still WAY down. My energy level is higher than it was when I was a kid. I just wanted to ask if, after going GF, has anyone else had trouble falling and/or staying asleep? For example, last night I fell asleep around 1am. Not unusual for me but I woke up at 7:30, which is extremely unusual. I'm not sleepy but my head feels a little 'swimmy' like when I haven't had enough sleep. I'm going to go to my doctor but I wanted to hear from like people to see if anything like this happened to them. Thanks :+)

Posted on May 18, 2012 1:14:10 PM PDT
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Posted on May 17, 2012 9:30:08 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 2:41:06 PM PDT
If I had waited for a doctor to advise me I would have been dead years ago. I am not exaggerating. I would not be alive right now to write this post.

Other than that, I agree with a lot of what you said. But many people are labeled as "following the trend" when they are, in fact, improving their health or saving their own lives.

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 2:34:01 PM PDT
S. McLain says:
This post is spot on, and while it uses gluten-free as an example, it is really a statement about our food obsessed culture in general. Without the basic food staples there would be no civilization as we know it. The machine that sells the disease is the same that sells the cure. It's just a profit machine like any other that is swallowing up our society and crapping out the victims into the gutter. What to eat healthily? Eat real, whole food that is prepared by yourself or someone you trust. Grow your own food if possible or shop at a farmers market. If not he regular supermarket is fine. Trader Joes's is great (even though they use far too much plastic packaging). Whole Foods has great products, but the premium you pay is a total scam and they're always pushing the latest trends via product placement. Organic and free range natural is best, but not to be confused with the organic craze sweeping the nation. That is just another machine trying to make a buck. And the more you support local farmers and shun the giant corporations, the more those prices will drop. That's it. Unless you are specifically advised by a doctor for a specific reason you should not be going on extreme diets. Just eat real, balanced food in moderation, get some exercise in the sun and fresh air (not in an air conditioned gym machine) and get some real sleep. Cancel your cable/satellite subscription and don't read anything sold in the checkout aisle. Follow Nation Of Change, Democracy Now!, Michael Pollan, Chris Hedges and other truth speakers. That's the real recipe for all around good health and the path to a sustainable future for yourself and society.

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 2:05:31 PM PDT
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Corn products (any kind - whether GMO or non-GMO) directly cause my dermatitis herpetiformis. This happens when they touch my skin or if I eat even the smallest amount (such as a dose of tylenol). Dermatitis herpetiformis is supposed to be directly related to celiac disease. One of the following must then be true:

1. Dermatitis herpetiformis is related to more than just celiac disease.
2. Corn contains gluten.
3. I'm a complete and total idiot. (I sure hope this isn't the case!) haha

Based on the medical journals I have read (I apologize for not being able to reference the specific studies - I have not renewed my access to the database of medical journals since late October), I'm going to have to go with option number two. Wheat, barley, and rye all have their own individual proteins which are collectively labeled as gluten. All other grains have their own proteins as well. Newer studies have shown significant reactions from other grains in those with celiac as compared to control groups.

It is for this reason that I find it necessary to contradict your advice on this forum, although I would appreciate it on any forum not related to celiac as my research has led me to believe that non-GMO is a far healthier choice in general.

I have found this website to be very convenient when attempting to increase my intake of a certain vitamin, mineral, or nutrient:
http://www.healthaliciousness.com/most-nutritious-foods-lists.php
Obviously I pick and choose which foods my body is able to process.

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 11:46:42 AM PDT
Actually, I gave up eating processed foods many months ago and to my surprise I noticed very little change in how I felt. However, after reading and commenting on this forum, I gave up wheat & gluten a couple weeks ago. It has changed my life. For the past 3 days my crippling and completely debilitating fibromyalgia pain has nearly disappeared. I'd say it's about 90% reduced and that has NEVER happened in over 20 years of having this illness. I don't have Celiac but I do have a diagnosed wheat allergy which I thought (like an idiot) would be fine if I took allergy medicine everyday. I was wrong. Also I've always needed a nap, every single day of my life but for the last 3 days I not only didn't get tired in the afternoon, I was barely tired at bedtime! Again, this has NEVER happened before.
So nice theory, but way wrong. Yes it's healthy for most anyone to give up processed foods but its not why people who go GF feel better.

And for those who might argue that I'm experiencing a placebo affect, that is not the case. I've tried countless remedies over the years to no avail and never had placebo affect. Besides, I certainly didn't have a placebo affect when I eliminated processed foods and I really believed that would be the answer. When I went GF I really didn't expect much, and I got the (happy) shock of my life!!!

Posted on May 17, 2012 2:35:12 AM PDT
LKM says:
as far as the gluten free craze..I don't think the problem is wheat or gluten. I think the bloating comes from people trying to make it their main food source. eating too much of anything can cause problems. when most people "give up gluten" they are giving up donuts, cake, breads, pizzas, sandwiches. of course they lose weight...and of course they feel better. processed grains are hard on the system.

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 2:34:17 AM PDT
LKM says:
natural corn is phytonutrient-rich food that provides us with well-documented antioxidant benefits. corn is a good source of vitamin C as well as the mineral manganese. the list of corn's key antioxidant nutrients appears as follows:
anthocyanins
beta-carotene
caffeic acid
coumaric acid
ferulic acid
lutein
syringic acid
vanillic acid
protocatechuic acid
zeaxanthin

at 4.6 grams of fiber per cup, corn is a good fiber source. it provides many B-complex vitamins including vitamins B1, B5 and folic acid, and iabout 5g of protein per cup.

in gmo corn...which I don't eat... the fiber has not been "genetically modified" out of it. you can SEE the fiber. clearly you need to read up on what you are trying to talk about.

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 2:29:51 AM PDT
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ParrotSlave says:
Was her name Violet? I've met people who didn't believe in germs at all, including some who believe that sties in one's eye come from having watched a dog defecate. The play in the mud advocates are not advocating total lack of sanitation, just the elimination of triclosan and a little less OCD about the house. Humans have been on this earth a long time without having to spray Lysol on every conceivable household surface (anthropologists haven't found any spray cans of it at Neolithic digging sites) or having to use hand sanitizer every other minute. I think they're talking about a happy medium, not the transmission of pathogenic coliform strains or HAV to others.

Let me plagiarize myself from my personal web site about the issue there: "This is not some paranoia that came to me out of the blue; actual studies reinforce my mistrust. For example, the percentage of the general population who don't wash their hands after using the restroom is shocking--as many as 30% in a 2003 study at airport restrooms. A similar 2007 study at public restrooms came up with a 23% figure. Logic would dictate that people who don't minister to themselves properly are just as unlikely to take care of others properly. (There are bound to be some who take better care of others than they do of themselves, but I am confident that those are in the minority.) You would think that food handlers would be especially conscientious, but direct observation suggests otherwise: actual observations of restaurant worker hand-washing practices were published in a 2006 article in the Journal of Food Protection cited on the CDC government website. The problem is so bad that researchers at Kansas State University had to conduct a study to find out WHY restaurant workers don't wash their hands." See, for instance, http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/ehs/EHSNet/Docs/JFP_Hand_Hygiene.pdf.

In reply to an earlier post on May 17, 2012 12:33:26 AM PDT
Hmmm. I get the whole "being exposed to germs thing" as being healthy but..I knew a woman who didnt believe in washing her hands, ever. She believed in the "play in the mud" concept to a nonsensical extreme. Even after bathroom visits.
Lets just say that her social life was limited and no one ever ate what she brought to the team potlucks. Verbal Pie charts and meta medical lingo aside, (BTW no one is utterly impressed, k?) common sense rules.
Us CDers avoid wheat because we must per the gold standard endoscopy. People who feel better without wheat are awesome becasue their purchasing demands drive product innovation. Simple. Oh yeh, and wash your hands after you use the john.

Posted on May 16, 2012 10:01:01 PM PDT
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ParrotSlave says:
"...mothers who are sensitive to gluten have a higher incidence of children born with schizophrenia....For many years, holistic therapists, physicians, and others have noticed correlations between gluten, milk and sugar consumption (and allergies and/or intolerance) and schizophrenia and other brain conditions, including autism....There are some studies (and a lot of conjecture), on the brain-gut link. Not only schizophrenia but anxiety, depression, bi-polar disorder, even some personality disorders are said to be associated with digestive and nutrition issues. The majority of programs that treat patients with serious mental illnesses like schizophrenia are not holistic. They simply ignore the fact that diet is important to brain functioning in general, let alone to someone with a mental illness." (http://blogs.psychcentral.com/therapy-soup/2012/05/diet-and-schizophrenia-more-important-link-than-you-think/)

The gut/disease link leaps out at you when you study other diseases as well. The suggestions made in that psychcentral blog about diet, although specifically labelled not "medical advice," should be perused by those pursuing a GF diet. I would argue with their advice to avoid non-fermented dairy products, since that violates the 11th commandment ("Thou shalt raise cattle for food, and thou shalt harvest their milk for daily drink. Thou shalt convert a portion of their milk into cheeses, which thou shalt consume each day.") You have to look carefully; that's not in every single translation. They mention that sprouted grains are tolerated by some gluten-sensitive people, which I did not realize; SG products are much harder to find than GF, but I buy them whenever possible.

Back to the microbiome part of the gut/body interaction: the June, 2012 Scientific American has just come out, and I would heartily recommend the article by Jennifer Ackerman, "The Ultimate Social Network: Researchers who study the friendly bacteria that live inside all of us are starting to sort out who is in charge-microbes or people?" (full text requires a subscription: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ultimate-social-network-bacteria-protects-health&WT.mc_id=SA_CAT_HLTH_20120515).

"The balancing act between the microbiome and human immune cells...has taken some 200,000 years to calibrate. Over the eons the immune system has evolved numerous checks and balances that generally prevent it from becoming either too aggressive (and attacking its own tissue) or too lax (and failing to recognize dangerous pathogens)....'What we've done as society over a short period is completely change our association with the microbial world,' Mazmanian [CalTech biologist] says. 'In our efforts distance ourselves from disease-causing infectious agents, we have probably also changed our associations with beneficial organisms. Our intentions are good, but there's a price to pay.'"

A good example is h. pylori. One of the problems we face these days is the obesity epidemic. There are numerous causes, but one of them would have to be the virtual elimination of h. pylori as part of our microbiomes: only about 6% of those tested now carry it. H. pylori turns out to regulate the hormone ghrelin, which tells the body to stop eating. Without h. pylori, which scientists had begun to think of as a simple pathogen because of its role in ulcers, people eat more. They gain weight when h. pylori bacteria are eradicated. It is a commensal bacterium under normal circumstances.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012 3:57:33 PM PDT
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Nightingale says:
ParrotSlave -- I see your point (at last!) Many people think that because *this* happened and then *that* happened... *this* caused *that*. It's not logical, but so many people (including myself on a bad day) make this mistake.

Ironically, if this were logical, I could prove that water is deadly. Just plain ol' H-2-O. Filtered, unfiltered, drink it, bathe in it. I know that every single person that died in 2011 encountered water in some form in the days before they died! This has got to be stopped!!! Stop drinking water for heaven's sake -- can't you all see what it's doing to you?!

Just being silly of course, but it is so easy to get sucked into that kind of an easy explanation and we all need to try to reason out some of this stuff instead of just jumping on the latest thing or, conversely, hating it because everyone is making a fuss over it. I was raised with an awareness of the value of vitamins, herbs, healthy diet and all the so-called "new age" ideas. But a lot of nonsense gets dragged into the mix as well and medicine has come a long way since those days. I've had good and bad experiences with doctors and others in the medical establishment and I know better than to hate on all the medical people or to endorse every idea that comes out of the alternative medicine arena. And what's sad is that we have access to so much more information now that we all could do a better job of learning about different alternatives and then making our own decisions based on informed ideas and personal experience.

The only thing I really have to say about the whole gluten controversy is that it is meant for people who have a problem with gluten, it is not a cure-all or generally superior diet that everyone should adopt to stay healthy. I'm sure it improves the lives of those who need gluten free products, but if you don't need to restrict gluten it won't make you any healthier if you avoid it. That's not really something to rant about so some think it's more fun to say outlandish and insensitive things in order to get attention or to just stir the pot.

I know that gluten allergies and sensitivities are real and it has been (and still is) very difficult to find appropriate foods. I feel really sorry for families with children who have these or other food-related problems because the kids can't understand it well enough to stay away from offending foods on their own and there are so many places to encounter food items in daily life. School lunches, birthday parties, family gatherings and so many people selfishly resist any inconvenience being imposed on them by someone else's health issues. It's sad. And it's unlikely that inflammatory statements made on public forums help anybody to be better informed.

Okay, I'm getting off my soapbox now....

Posted on May 16, 2012 3:08:02 PM PDT
What does it matter to you whether someone is gluten free? Eat wheat all you want and leave the rest of us alone. My daughter has been diagnosed with celiac by two real doctors. I wish she could eat normal food. Life would be a lot easier for our family. As far as attention seeking, it seems that the original poster is doing just that with her rant of ignorance.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012 3:01:03 PM PDT
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ParrotSlave says:
Thanks, Nightingale. Then I'm going to modify my theory: it's because of NO tonsillectomies, and not enough childhood infections. Maybe the immune system has to keep busy, and if it doesn't have something to do, will find something--whence allergies and autoimmune diseases. That's the basis for the "old friends" or "play in the mud" hypotheses that are becoming popular. I had not been around any of the miniature humans for many years, and was blissfully unaware that the medical profession had actually stopped doing tonsillectomies. (If the conspiracists were right about the medical profession, it would never have stopped performing what used to be a mandatory money-maker.)

My point was unrelated to the gluten per se, except to the extent that there is something in common with ASD: it was a response to one of several questions Amazon Shopper had asked me. She had suggested, interestingly enough, that what people had been observing about the timing of when they observe ASD symptoms in their children and been blaming on vaccines might very well be the result of the simultaneous change at that point in children's lives to a whole food diet, and that food allergies might be involved in aggravating ASD symptoms, not causatively per se though, or that food allergies are a normal part of the etiology of ASD that only get "discovered" when the child goes onto a more complete diet.

Posted on May 16, 2012 2:31:51 PM PDT
Adelle T says:
I suffered with digestive problems for several years. Severe bloating, cramping and nausea. I went on a diet where I ate mainly fruit, veggies and meats and felt fantastic. Then, whenever I ate pasta or bread my bloating and cramping would return. Why would you think gluten intolerance is all in your head when lactose intolerance has been around for years? I went to a GI and was tested for celiac and don't have it, but he did confirm the gluten intolerance. I will gladly keep eating gluten free if it means I won't feel sick every day.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012 2:19:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 16, 2012 2:31:03 PM PDT
Nightingale says:
ParrotSlave,
You might want to update your material. Tonsillectomies have not been done in so many years as to be irrelevant. In fact, my daughter in law was hospitalized repeatedly with pneumonia... couldn't breath, severe pain, not nice at all. After many rounds of testing the very astute (a little sarcasm here) doctors discovered that her tonsils were so swollen that they were almost closing off her airway and were chronically infected and then infecting her lungs as well. They all knew that the safest and best solution was to remove her tonsils and yet none would do it. Why? Because "too many tonsillectomies have been done in the past for all the wrong reasons and were -- a half-a-century ago -- done routinely to avoid potential problems." Result? No insurance will pay for a tonsillectomy. Period. A surgeon saw how she was suffering and wanted to help her. He told her he would do the surgery and *** he would pay all of her costs*** and only asked that she allow students to observe the surgery and learn from her condition because they might never get to observe an appropriately diagnosed and performed tonsillectomy . Mind you, he wasn't merely giving up his fee: since the surgery was not allowed by insurance they would not cover the hospitalization or the necessary medications or anesthesia -- or any follow up care. An anesthetist is a separate physician who is paid to administer anesthesia and he is paid separately (and well.) This kind doctor paid for all of that from his own funds so that she could get the care she needed. My daughter-in-law is an adult (obviously) and not some cute toddler that the doctor could get PR mileage from for his largess -- he merely wanted to do the right thing and then he did it. Incidentally, her health improved so dramatically afterwards that she was able to walk and breathe normally and she slowly shed many pounds that she had been trying vainly to lose over the years of her illness.

The only reason I bring this up is that all these over-generalizations "gluten free diets are bunk", "vaccines cause Autism", "people are suckers for buying into a popular diagnosis", etc. are, by definition, false, but repeating an old generalization is still false and using it to argue for or against gluten-free diets just detracts from your real message -- in fact, I don't really know what your point was, because I kinda lost track of it in all your verbiage.

Incidentally, I had my tonsils removed about 50 years ago when it was a medical fad "bring all the kids in, have the tonsils and adenoids removed and get the family discount". But my parents didn't buy into that. I was the only one of four children who had tonsils removed because of severe swelling and constant infection that was being harbored by my diseased tonsils. My health improved dramatically and I can honestly say that, as a kid with constant sore throats and earaches, it was worth it. And I've never been sorry it was done.

In reply to an earlier post on May 16, 2012 2:00:41 PM PDT
Goldi Lox says:
UDI bread can be found at PUBLIX, if you have them in your area. The Bread is usually in the FROZEN BREAD section...but is already baked. You just have to thaw it out. Delicious. Best I've found.
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