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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:53:14 AM PDT
"And who funded the work and who paid for the publications of it"

Here we go. When you don't like the results, attack the source. It's the convenient opt-out argument. Yet sources like notmilk.com somehow are unbiased.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:51:49 AM PDT
"E. coli poisoning is not the state in which fruit and vegetables are found."

Milk loaded with BGH, antibiotics, and other chemicals is not the state in which it is found (see number 2 on my post a page back).

You were worried about risks involved in eating food...you mentioned nothing about in which the "state" it is found. Unless you grow all your own veggies and fruits in your back yard, E. coli is just as much a health worry as any other food you consume.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:50:22 AM PDT
ColdShot says:
dairy was the source for my allergies, and is for many others who just would never even think that dairy could mess them up.

all they have to do is stop all dairy for a few months to know for sure

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:48:35 AM PDT
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Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:45:17 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:44:44 AM PDT
"Do your own research on how studies are funded and published"

I am well and profoundly aware of grant-funded research. I used to make on living off of it.

I'm not on here trying to push my education around on an Amazon forum trying to prove to myself I'm smarter than anyone else""

Neither was I until you rather arrogantly informed me that " I wanted you to produce the data, and it's obvious you can't."

"I have much more than "internet diploma" in nutrition, trust me."

Obviously not in chemistry. I went back and saw your little edit about the "äcidity of milk" Sorry man, milk is basic.

But, sorry, pushing dairy on an obese, sick nation is what's WRONG!"

Nothing wrong with dairy. The denizens of the "obese, sick nation" would be better served eating yogurt and drinking skim milk than listening to your advice

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:43:12 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 8, 2011 9:46:04 AM PDT
ParrotSlave says:
Farberware Select 10-Piece Cookware Set is on your wish list. I don't allow Teflon in my house, not because of me, but because of my parrots. PTFE toxicosis is well documented as a cause of bird deaths. It seems somewhat inconsistent to me that anyone would be worried about milk but not about Teflon, not that there is any connection between the bandwagons, but if you worry about what you ingest, there are many other things to worry about..

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:40:43 AM PDT
todds says:
Teflon cookware on a wishlist? Where did that come from?

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:38:57 AM PDT
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ParrotSlave says:
I find it strange that someone supposedly espousing "health" would have Teflon cookware on a wish list. PTFE toxicosis is a definite concern to certain companion animals, and there has been a vocal anti-Teflon bandwagon going on much longer than the anti-milk one.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:36:00 AM PDT
"It doesn't matter who funds the work or the publications on it??????? Are you kidding me?????????"

While I realize it would be convenient for you to be able to claim that any research involving milk payed for with money from the Dairy industry is simple ''untrue''....this is simply not the case.

The number one provider of grant money is the Federal governement anyway.

It always cracks me up when people try to claim funding bias. Because at the end of the day, who is going to want to see research on milk done, the oil industry?

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:33:44 AM PDT
todds says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:31:57 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:29:34 AM PDT
"Yeah, gov/pubmed in the url says it all."

Actually, the site is merely a clearinghouse for medical and scientific research.

If you were actually scientifically literate you would note, for example, that the article about the consumption of skim milk was written by researchers at Exercise Metabolism Research Group, Department of Kinesiology, McMaster University and published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. And that McMaster University is located in Canada...a bit outside the realm of our government.

So your pathetic little attempt to stuff the entire pubmed website into paranoid conspiracy box has rather epically failed.

"I'm not gonna be convinced that dairy is good for you."

Even in the face of research absolutely to the contrary!? Guess some people are bound and determined to be morons?

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:26:40 AM PDT
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ParrotSlave says:
My spider senses are tingling again. "Yeah, gov/pubmed in the url says it all!!!!!" Do I dare speculate on what kinds of conspiracies are being insinuated? What kind of vague generalities about items indexed in PubMed could one make that would cause one to discredit them--do I dare ask? I consider PubMed to be a very good use of tax money.

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:24:38 AM PDT
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Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:19:48 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:19:22 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 8, 2011 9:21:14 AM PDT
"And who funded the work and who paid for the publications of it"

Paranoid, but irrelevant. Look at who PERFORMED the research. Are you saying that the Metabolism Unit, Shriners Hospitals for Children and Department of Surgery is soemhow a pawn of the dairy industry?

"I haven't called anyone self-righteous"

No, but you ARE self-righteous. You claimed that I was/would be unable to provide ANY research showing milk to be good for you and I quite easily proved you wrong. You made these claims because you 'researched' this from the wrong sources and thought that no one could prove you wrong...textbook example of 'self-righteous'

"Self-righteousness includes saying "I'm a scientist and your not so your a fool and I'm smarter than you and you don't know what you are talking about."

Problem is, I never said I'm "smarter than you". I warned you what I am because YOU were making claims about my ability to research and, in the end, it made you look rather silly.

"Many people get upset when the foods they consume might pose a threat to their health......""

Actually, I am not a big fan of milk. What I really get upset about is people with ''internet diplomas'' in nutrition giving out information which is just plain WRONG....as your's was.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:15:43 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 8, 2011 9:19:59 AM PDT
ParrotSlave says:
We humans are omnivores. We can adapt to changing environments because of that fact. The more "picky" a species is about its food, the less likely it is to survive environmental stresses. We have survived because of our ability to eat whatever comes our way, whether it be plant, animal, fish, or even insect. We even eat single celled organisms like chlorella and spirulina. We were not "designed" to eat any one thing in particular, other than mother's milk during infancy, and that's one of the reasons we are still here on planet earth instead of being extinct, since the environments man has encountered have varied greatly. Read up on the survival training they give the Special Forces: your ideas on what is edible might be due for a shock. Due to our brain, we have even figured out how to eat foods that would otherwise be poisonous, using that "new" invention called cooking, which, technically, is a form of food processing. Some of us even eat foods like fugu that have to be prepared by an expert to avoid being poisoned.

Is someone in this forum daring to speak about brainwashing? I'll believe that they actually comprehend the word "brainwashing" when I see them eating grasshoppers and maggots, or some of the other items that might be hard to find in your local Kroger: look up casu marzu, or tiết canh, or century egg, or kumis. Food, in the biological sense, is anything you can ingest that can safely provide your body with nutrients. I think it's time for some more cheese, this time with a slice or two of wild boar sausage.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:10:00 AM PDT
Or how about lactoferrin, abundant in milk? Gee can't think of any reason that would be a useful supplement?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21726601

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:09:00 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 8, 2011 9:14:56 AM PDT
todds says:
And who funded the work and who paid for the publications of it.....I respect the fact you are a scientist, that has nothing to do with whether or not casien causes cancer. I haven't called anyone self-righteous or a fool or anything. Think you might need to tone it down a bit. Self-righteousness includes saying "I'm a scientist and your not so your a fool and I'm smarter than you and you don't know what you are talking about." Can't we all just get along? You don't have to get so upset. Many people get upset when the foods they consume might pose a threat to their health......and people that get paid by the dairy industry to lie to us and say it's good for us.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:05:14 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 8, 2011 9:05:48 AM PDT
And since you brought up casein;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15570142

Hmmm Todd? Whats a source of both casein and whey proteins?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:03:22 AM PDT
Or this one, Todd?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413102

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:03:20 AM PDT
todds says:
Like I said, if you want to eat dairy, knock yourself out......E. coli poisoning is not the state in which fruit and vegetables are found. Casien exists in milk as-is. That's not even comparable.......

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 8, 2011 9:01:38 AM PDT
Actually Todd, search the forum topics for the other milk thread, a guy named Michael Goldfield is the OP. There is a myriad of research sources posted in it.

Posted on Jul 8, 2011 9:01:34 AM PDT
You are a complete fool if you think I can't. This took almost 4 whole seconds to find.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20368372

By the way, I am actually a scientist, so you might want to tone down your self-righteousness before it makes you look any more foolish.
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