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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 12:56:01 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 18, 2012 12:56:24 PM PDT
Bricktop says:
Anti big government. If they were anti-government period, they wouldn't support Ron Paul.

Anti-science? So are the researchers at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine and Creighton University School of Medicine in Omaha who reported that markedly higher intake of vitamin D is needed to reach blood levels that can prevent or markedly cut the incidence of breast cancer and several other major diseases anti-scientists? That was one of the first places I saw their findings reported.

Are you saying that food cannot be medicine? Or do you mean anti-allopathic pharmaceutical drugs?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 4:50:17 PM PDT
Papachoochoo says:
They can also watch you at home through your cable and satellite tv hook ups, and they track us our customer loyalty cards, etc... Crazy is the game, paranoia is the name!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 4:54:28 PM PDT
Papachoochoo says:
Al is what you call verbose. What did he say anyway?

Posted on Jun 18, 2012 4:56:33 PM PDT
Papachoochoo says:
Guys and gals...the original post was about injecting us with cancer because treating cancer is a money maker. The original poster needs to go back on her anti-paranoid meds.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 19, 2012 3:44:34 AM PDT
"Ali is what you call verbose. What did he say anyway?"

We are never really sure!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 19, 2012 3:47:02 AM PDT
No one ever argued the science behind thev itamin D research.

The problem is, by the time NN reported it, the statistics had morphed into complete fiction.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 19, 2012 4:24:49 AM PDT
Laura says:
j Espresso,

Do some real research into vaccine history, the diseases, actual disease rates prior and after etc, history of contamination, Sv40, ingredients, vaccine compensation fund, risk reward ratio, etc. You are simply stating what you have been brainwashed to believe.

Posted on Jun 19, 2012 7:10:30 AM PDT
DJD says:
There is a lot of fanatical thinking in the world, but fanaticism is usually the result of suppression and closed mindedness in the other direction. We live in a great country, but everything is a work in progress. Many of the problems we have in our country right now are the result of too many laws regulating freedom of creativity. If you don't perform business a certain way, you don't get licensed; if you don't belong to a certain political party, you don't get elected; if you don't practice medicine a certain way, you can't practice medicine. All this is done "for the safety" of the people. We need to protect the population from those who would take advantage. One individual quack does far less harm to the population than one big pharmaceutical company with one mandated vaccination that has horrible side effects. The sphere of influence a large group, say the AMA or a billion-dollar company has is much greater than a few fringe individuals. The harm done by the influence they wield over government is far greater when they attempt to take away individual freedom under the guise of "protection." I can protect myself easily from the individual fanatic. It's the idea that businesses, especially corporations and NGO's are entities with the same rights as individual people you should be concerned about. These entities do not suffer the consequences of their actions the way humans do.

Posted on Jun 21, 2012 11:27:45 PM PDT
Please consider this- Early 1950s United States, population approx. 150,000,000, with paralytic polio cases averaging 20,000+ per year. Thanks to Jonas Salk (and others,) polio has been eradicated here, and the CDC and the WHO are working tirelessly to eradicate polio around the globe. Polio is only one of the many horrible diseases that has been beaten by vaccinations. I know that if a vaccine existed for cancer or heart disease, many of my loved ones would not have died so young. I am posting this here, not to start a fight with anyone, but to make a plea to those of you who are so against vaccinations. Please, consider the benefits of vaccinations before you decide that the cons outweigh the pros.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012 12:19:52 AM PDT
apriljeff says:
You're out of meds again...

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012 5:23:29 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 22, 2012 5:25:49 AM PDT
Bricktop says:
They're working tirelessly alright.
India:
Cases of polio have gone from 500 to 40.
Cases of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis have gone from 8,000 to 40,000.

Fair trade?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 5:11:44 AM PDT
I do not know the source of your numbers, but it is expected that cases of NPAFP will rise, if for no other reason than the specific cases have been correctly identified as non-polio. Prior to the vaccine, no significant effort was made to separate polio from NPAFP, so many cases were misdiagnosed.

Posted on Jun 25, 2012 7:21:15 AM PDT
DJD says:
What should be asked and those who are proponents of vaccinations want to ignore is the question are people healthier by the use of vaccinations. The theory that humans can prevent disease by vaccinating against it is ridiculous. If the information I have read is correct and there have been identified over a hundred different viruses, the notion that we can vaccinate ourselves against disease is ridiculous. We need to change our medical theory to boosting the immune system naturally, not with synthetic vaccinations that pose their own side-effects which we may not even be aware of because they may not manifest for years.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 7:34:57 AM PDT
"The theory that humans can prevent disease by vaccinating against it is ridiculous."

It is not a "theory" it is medical fact.

Some diseases (like influenza) have mutilple organisms that can cause the same disease. Vaccination for flu is indeed guesswork and a shot in the dark. Vaccination for smallpox was effective and has eradicated the disease.

The idea that bolstering our immune system will can prevent disease is equally silly depending on which context you view it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 9:24:00 AM PDT
apriljeff says:
"If the information I have read is correct..." It isn't

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:10:55 AM PDT
Bricktop says:
So there are less than a hundred then?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:30:54 AM PDT
"So there are less than a hundred then?"

Of what? Since the original post mentioned no specific illness or type of virus.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:35:46 AM PDT
Bricktop says:
Computer viruses.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:41:53 AM PDT
Funny!

Guess this shows you have no cute answer to the actual question. However, when a person state nonsense like "there have been identified over a hundred different viruses'" people that actually know a thing or two know they are speaking from the wrong orifice

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:44:43 AM PDT
Bricktop says:
You didn't think that was cute?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 2:30:59 PM PDT
apriljeff says:
Haven't counted. Obviously, you are also incorrect in your use of attempted sarcasm.
"The theory that humans can prevent disease by vaccinating against it is ridiculous." That is incorrect.

Posted on Jun 26, 2012 9:03:06 AM PDT
DJD says:
Is this statement false, "There are 62 non-polio enteroviruses that can cause disease in humans: 23 Coxsackie A viruses, 6 Coxsackie B viruses, 28 echoviruses, and 5 other enteroviruses." Will someone please tell me when I or my child is vaccinated how many of these are we being vaccinated for? These are only the enteroviruses. There are other viruses, so if my statement that there are hundreds of viruses that affect humans is not correct-exactly how many are there and how many do proponents of vaccination think we should be vaccinated against? What method should be used for delivery and over what period of time? The theory of vaccination is based on the idea that the human body cannot protect itself. I disagree with this theory. There are plenty of people who thrive without vaccination and plenty of examples of people who get sick despite being vaccinated. Just allow people freedom of choice and get rid of laws that mandate behavior under the guise of protection!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 9:13:43 AM PDT
DJD says:
People need to stop believing someone just because they are professionals. Where I live the law says you can act as your own attorney, but the other attorneys in the system do everything in their power to discourage you from doing so. Why--they lose revenue. I heard a radio show talking about how hair stylists wanted to make it a crime for someone who isn't licensed to cut another person's hair and get paid. There are also attempts being made so you can't sell food from your own garden (we need to be protected from potential botulism!). It's about time Americans started acting like Americans and got a backbone like their ancestors. Don't be afraid of the free-market system. A bad product or service only continues when their are few if any other choices. Stop this push to mandate, legislate and suffocate us until we all feel asthmatic! Stop believing the myth that vaccines do more good than harm!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 9:33:18 AM PDT
No, the statement is not false.

There are also 300 known rhino-viruses that cause what we collectively call a "cold" these are a sub species of enterovirus.

When you are vaccinated for polio, you are innoculated for the polio virus, which is an enterovirus.

Other entero-viruses can cause anything from hand, foot & mouth disease to encephalitus.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 2, 2012 8:18:23 AM PDT
imaginethisinvelvet says: ...polio has been eradicated here, and the CDC and the WHO are working tirelessly to eradicate polio around the globe.

From "Introduction to Modern Virology" (2007):

"Careful analysis of sewerage (where all polioviruses end up) has shown that neurovirulent poliovirus has been replicating and circulating in some countries where there has been a highly vaccinated community for years. While this virus is clearly derived from the live vaccine, it has recombined with other enteroviruses to make a brand new chimeric virus. Now there is concern that a virus like this might be able to fill the vacuum left by poliovirus."
[http://books.google.com/books?id=rmBXvWDaKpIC&pg=PA387]

"Also in 2005, several asymptomatic infections with a vaccine-derived poliovirus were detected in unvaccinated children in Minnesota. The source of the vaccine virus has not been determined, but it appeared to have been circulating among humans for at least 2 years based on genetic changes in the virus." (Please note this is five years after we stopped using live vaccine.)
[http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/polio.pdf]

imaginethisinvelvet says: Polio is only one of the many horrible diseases that has been beaten by vaccinations.

From "Evidence for emergence of diverse polioviruses from C-cluster coxsackie A viruses and implications for global poliovirus eradication" (2007):

"In a PV-free [poliovirus-free] world without PV neutralizing antibodies, contemporary C-CAV [C-cluster coxsackie A virus], like their ancestor(s), could be fertile ground for a PV-like agent to emerge by mutation."

"Expectations are high that all PVs will be eradicated in the near future, an optimism not shared by everyone. Moreover it is commonly believed that PV may not reemerge because of the lack of a zoonotic reservoir. In this report, we provide theoretical and experimental evidence suggesting C-CAVs are the source of the ancestral PV by mutation as well as contemporary partners to (vaccine) PVs giving rise to novel PV variants in the field. The latter include highly neurovirulent, circulating vaccine-derived PVs, cVDPVs, that have been largely generated by homologous recombination between PV and CAVs, cVDPVs have caused numerous outbreaks of poliomyelitis globally and present a serious health threat."
[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874223/pdf/zpq9457.pdf]

From "Genomic Features of Intertypic Recombinant Sabin Poliovirus Strains Excreted by Primary Vaccinees" (2001):

"The trivalent oral poliomyelitis vaccine (OPV) contains three different poliovirus serotypes. It use therefore creates particularly favorable conditions for mixed infection of gut cells, and indeed intertypic vaccine-derived recombinants (VdRec) have been frequently found in patients with vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis. Nevertheless, there have not been extensive searches for VdRec in healthy vaccinees following immunization with OPV."

"Thus, VdRec are frequently excreted by vaccinees, and the poliovirus replication machinery requirements or selection factors appear to act in vivo to shape the features of the recombinant genomes."
[http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/75/13/5740]

imaginethisinvelvet says: I know that if a vaccine existed for cancer or heart disease, many of my loved ones would not have died so young.

What does this have to do with the polio vaccine, exactly? It's best to make medical decisions based on fact and science, not emotional, hypothetical scenarios. And even if such vaccines DID exist, there is no guarantee your loved ones would have been spared.

imaginethisinvelvet says: Please, consider the benefits of vaccinations before you decide that the cons outweigh the pros.

Why do you assume a person against vaccination has not considered the benefits?? I'm sorry, but this is sort of bizarre...
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