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The "Lipid Theory" is Bogus! It's all about Money for selling statins!


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Initial post: Oct 27, 2012 1:52:53 PM PDT
Rod Cathey says:
Ask your doctor if he can point you to a single scientific study that gives strong evidence or proof that cholesterol causes heart disease. If she can, then take those statins to your "heart's content!" (I don't believe your doctor will be able to. If I'm wrong, please let me know where I can find it).
If it's from a pharmaceutical company that sells statins and would have billions of dollars at stake if the truth came out, then it doesn't count!

Posted on Oct 29, 2012 2:38:25 PM PDT
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Posted on Oct 29, 2012 3:04:30 PM PDT
Your doctor should have little trouble showing you studies supporting the use of statins in people at risk of heart disease. Here's one of many (this study is from Johns Hopkins, published 3/12:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22387091

"Current national guidelines put forth by the Adult Treatment Panel III recommend statins as part of a comprehensive primary prevention strategy for patients with elevated low-density lipoprotein cholesterol at increased risk for developing coronary heart disease within 10 years. Lack of a clear-cut mortality benefit in primary prevention has caused some to question the use of statins for patients without known coronary heart disease. On review of the literature, we conclude that current data support only a modest mortality benefit for statin primary prevention when assessed in the short term (<5 years). Of note, statin primary prevention results in a significant decrease in cardiovascular morbidity over the short and long term and a trend toward increased reduction in mortality over the long term. When appraised together, these data provide compelling evidence to support the use of statins for primary prevention in patients with risk factors for developing coronary heart disease over the next 10 years."

People who claim the association of certain lipids with heart disease is a fraud and disparage evidence-based therapy are sometimes just mistaken and/or have an ax to grind against "the medical establishment". Interesting though how often they tell you mainstream medicine is only motivated by money, while at the same time urging you to buy their books or purchase their supplements. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2012 9:22:39 PM PDT
S. Kessler says:
If you read what you quoted more carefully, Andrew, you will see that the authors admits that the evidence is not strong at all.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2012 4:52:39 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 30, 2012 4:52:49 AM PDT
Can you tell me how you concluded that from "these data provide compelling evidence to support the use of statins for primary prevention in patients with risk factors for developing coronary heart disease over the next 10 years."?

Benefit long-term is more marked than short-term, but there's nothing in there that says "the evidence is not strong at all".

Posted on Oct 30, 2012 8:13:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 30, 2012 8:13:24 AM PDT
Actually, inflammation has recently been found to play an equal role as cholesterol in heart disease risk. But then drug companies will make specific drugs to address that as well, so this topic is more just anti-pharma drivel than it is about actual health information.

Easy solution, stop eating cheeseburgers and start exercising. Then you put less demand on drugs and drug companies will lose their foothold on health care. No state in this country has less than a 20 percent obesity rate. Perhaps your complaints should be directed at a different entity.

Posted on Oct 30, 2012 9:20:09 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 30, 2012 9:21:02 AM PDT
From a review by the independent Cochrane organization published this year, which looked at 14 relevant clinical trials:

"All were randomised control trials comparing statins with usual care or placebo. Duration of treatment was minimum one year and with follow up of a minimum of six months. All cause mortality. coronary heart disease and stroke events were reduced with the use of statins as was the need for revascularisations. Statin treatment reduced blood cholesterol."

http://summaries.cochrane.org/CD004816/statins-for-the-primary-prevention-of-cardiovascular-disease

From a February article in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology, reviewing 18 randomized clinical trials on statin therapy to lower lipid levels:

"Conclusions Statin therapy is associated with significant decreases in cardiovascular events and in all-cause mortality in women and men. Statin therapy should be used in appropriate patients without regard to sex."

http://content.onlinejacc.org/article.aspx?articleid=1201102

There remain some valid questions about whether taking statins is a good idea for healthy older adults without major cardiovascular risk factors. There is ample evidence however of a link between elevated blood lipids and cardiovascular disease, and a role for statins in reducing those blood levels and preventing death and disability from cardiovascular disease.

(by the way, Rod, you can find these and other studies on PubMed).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

Posted on Dec 6, 2012 10:54:05 AM PST
hsia says:
do you know that your liver has to make 800mg cholesterol daily to meet your body demends. Every cell in your body needs Cholesterol. your sex hormon made from Cholesterl. new study find people have higher level of Cholesterol healthier and live longer.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 6, 2012 1:38:11 PM PST
OldAmazonian says:
Yes, and as mentioned earlier inflammation and obesity are associated with cardiovascular disease.

Posted on Dec 7, 2012 11:53:36 AM PST
Primrose says:
My thinking is, lipids might play a part in heart disease, then again they might not be a risk factor. Overall, there are many, many risk factors for heart disease. Everything from diabetes, high blood pressure, poor dental health, low vitamin D levels, having the genetic condition of high LpA, etc. all have risks associated with plaque formation.

Best way to find out if one is at high risk for having a heart attack is to have a heart CT scan done. This will determine if plaque is present in arteries. If this comes back positive, then best to take preventive measures and discover all risk factors you have, then correct them.

On a personal note, I'm one of those people that had perfect cholesterol test results according to my doctor. On my own I arranged to have a heart CT scan done. To my surprise it came back positive. I had a good amount of plaque in an artery. Since then I've been taking preventive measures.

Thought this a nice article with mention about perfect cholesterol scores, and yet being high risk for a heart attack.

"How far wrong can cholesterol be?"

http://blog.trackyourplaque.com/2011/08/how-far-wrong-can-cholesterol-be.html

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I thought ideas mentioned from time to time about adding statins to the water supply, or testing childrens' cholesterol levels, to lower heart disease risks, unhelpful.

"Doctors criticise plans for cholesterol screening in children"

http://www.drbriffa.com/2012/07/24/doctors-criticise-plans-for-cholesterol-screening-in-children/

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2012 11:16:27 AM PST
Rod Cathey says:
Andrew,
I certainly have no ax to grind against the medical establishment. I do not have heart disease, nor do I have any signs of heart disease; in fact, 5 and a half years ago, a highly skilled
neurosurgeon, an aggressive radiologist, and a very competent oncologist worked together to save my life. A very aggressive malignant brain tumor with an extremely high mortality rate was discovered, and the surgeon was able to remove 99.9% of it. The radiologist was able to kill the rest. For good measure, the oncologist followed up with a relatively new form of chemo (in pill form). I am cancer free!
My regard for the "medical profession" is actually quite high.

I have very little trust in the study that you cite, because it was underwritten by the government for the purpose of upholding the long-held myth of the lipid theory which was originally foisted upon the American people by their government in the late 1950s. The theory was unsubstantiated by, and even proven false by scientific studies of the time. The chief architect of the plan to to permeate this theory throughout our society as fact was Senator McGovern.
I am a college professor, not a wild-eyed survivalist holed up in the hills protecting himself from the evil government conspiracies. I have no books or supplements to sell, nor does anyone I know. I have no dog in this fight. Just sharing what I believe to be the truth.

Posted on Dec 9, 2012 11:58:55 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 9, 2012 11:59:37 AM PST
Oh dear.

I cannot quite connect-the-dots between the late Sen. McGovern and the government plan to foist the lipid theory on Americans, but I'm sure you would be willing to enlighten us further (by the way, there is not a single study, but rather an extensive body of evidence that links lipid profiles and diet to cardiovascular disease).

Congratulations on your success in overcoming brain cancer.

Posted on Dec 9, 2012 12:08:49 PM PST
hsia says:
any research or study should reveal : who initiates the study, who funds the study and who will benenfit the study? otherwise it is not sciense rather snake oil sales tech.
Same like some magzine, page one tells the terrible condition,page two shows it is your lucky day we already have the medicine to cure you.
I won't buy neither one, let along to read it.
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