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Posted on Oct 28, 2012 6:50:50 PM PDT
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L. King says:
No, I haven't finished with "Liberated"'s listing of antisemitic passages from the Quran. She's a former Muslim who bravely left Islam because of the racist nature of the Prophet's life and teaching.

There are positive messages in Islam. Bookish, as evidenced by his opening posts, hasn't found them. Nor is he able to intelligently discern what they are.

One thing is for certain - if the radical Islamists win, Islam as a religion of peace is doomed in our lifetime.

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L. King says:
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bob397103 says:
That's from the guy with the website. It's a very funny website.

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bob397103 says:
>>To think that Islam validates magic, or encourages worship of the Black Stone is outright dumb.<<

Then what is the reason for islam's idolatry? Why pray to the black stone? Why hide the face of Mu? Why the hajj? None of those things makes any sense. They're totally unreasonable requirements. By obeying them you submit yourself to ridiculous laws. To a way of life based on superstition and idolatry. A way of life as subservient sheep. A way of life lacking any possibility of spiritual liberation. If that isn't black magic, then nothing is. Although the hajj nets the Saudis ten billion dollars every year.

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bob397103 says:
>>Muslims to not pray to the Black Stone!<<

Deny it all you want.

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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2012 6:25:21 PM PDT
Do Muslims Worship The Black Stone & The Ka'bah?
Question:

What is the rebuttal to the Malaahidah (atheists) who say: You O Muslims worship a stone and circumambulate around it! So how can you reproach others from worship of idols and statues/images?
Answer:

This is an evident lie, we do not worship the [black] stone but rather we touch it and kiss it - the same as the Messenger of Allaah SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam did - in worship of Allaah and in emulating the Messenger of Allaah SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam. The [Black] Stone is from the signs of Allaah similar to when we stand in 'Arafah, similar to when we stay in Muzdalifah and similar to when we circumambulate around the House (the Ka'bah). Likewise we kiss the Black Stone and touch it or gesture towards it because it is from the signs of Allaah. Hence our kissing it or touching it or signalling towards it is in worship of Allaah not the stone. Furthermore, for this reason when 'Umar ibn al-Khattab radhiallaah 'anhu kissed the [black] stone he said:
"Indeed I know that you are but a stone you neither benefit nor harm, and if it was not that I saw the Messenger of Allaah SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam kiss you I would not have kissed you."

[Reported by al-Bukhaaree (1597), and Muslim (1270)]

Therefore the issue is regarding the matter of following and adhering and not worship of the stone. So they contrive lies against us whilst we do not worship the Ka'bah but rather we worship the Lord of the Ka'bah, so we circumambulate around the Ka'bah in worship of Allaah the Mighty and the Majestic; because Allaah has commanded us with that, so we obey Allaah the Mighty and the Majestic and we follow His Messenger SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam .

Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan
'Aqeedatul-Haaj Fee dawil-Kitaab was-Sunnah, p22-23.
Translated by Abu 'Abdillaah al-Kashmiree

http://www.fatwaislam.com/fis/index.cfm?scn=fd&ID=890

Posted on Oct 29, 2012 6:25:42 PM PDT
Misconceptions About the Black Stone (al Hajr ul Aswad)

What is the Black Stone?

The Black Stone (called الحجر الأسود; al-Hajaru-l-Aswad in Arabic) is a Muslim relic, which according to Islamic tradition dates back to the time of Adam and Eve. Many geologists and historians believe it to be a tektite or a meteorite.It is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient sacred stone building towards which Muslims pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia [4]

Clearing Misconceptions/Falsehoods

Do Muslims Lick a Black Stone?

A Christian Missionary is trolling internet forums and comment sections and declaring Muslims to be "black stone lickers"

This is obviously a lie, a malicious one at that. There is no injunction from the Quran, Hadith literature or work of Fiqh which commands Muslims to lick any black stone. Quite simply this Christian missionary is using his fertile imagination and making things up.

Muslims do Kiss (not lick) al-Hajaru-l-Aswad (Black Stone) During Hajj

The black stone (al-Hajaru-l-Aswad) is located at the outer corner of the Kaba (cube-shaped building in Mecca) and serves the function of being an indicator of where circumambulation (Tawaf) of the Kaba commences and ends. Muslims, during the pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj), perform Tawaf around the Kaba seven times as a rite of Hajj.

This stone is kissed prior to commencing Tawaf (circumambulation) and each time one rounds the Kaba it is recommended the black stone is kissed (if possible). [1]

Why do Muslims Kiss the Black Stone?

It was a practice of Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims do it in order to emulate the last Prophet of God (Muhammad, pbuh).

Do Muslims Worship the Black Stone (al-Hajaru-l-Aswad)?

No.

Muslims do not worship this stone. Kissing does not constitute worship. In fact Umar, the second Khalifah and companion of the Prophet Muhammed (p), made this perfectly clear when he said:

Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "NO DOUBT, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." [2]

This clearly shows us the back stone is not meant to be worshipped by Muslims. In fact this would negate a person's iman (belief/faith), i.e. if a Muslim did worship the stone then he/she would be considered non-Muslim as only Allah has the right to be worshipped.

A Malicious Attack on the Black Stone: "It is looks like a Vagina"

Some Islamophobes have begun a baseless attack on the appearance of the black stone in order to insult Muslims.

How a stone looks like a vagina to them is beyond me. There is a silver frame around the black stone. This silver frame is a modern addition and does not constitute the black stone but with the addition of the silver frame the structure does look doughnut shaped. The claim of vagina-resemblance is simply a product of their debauched and malicious minds.

As Muslims (God's chosen people) we are accustomed to people looking to insult us; a sad sign of the times.

Was the Black Stone Worshipped by Arab Pagans Prior to Islam?

I am not sure if it was, the Arab Pagans did have 360 idols which they housed at the Kaba and the Prophet destroyed ALL their idols. [3]

However, even if some of them did worship it we must recognise Islam came to abolish such practices. Therefore it has no bearing on Islam.

The black stone was originally given to Abraham who built the Kaba used the black stone as a corner stone for the Kaba. Abraham and Ishmael taught the early Meccan Arabs monotheism; after the passing on of Abraham and Ishmael the Meccan Arabs, with time, regressed into pagan practices such as idol worship and they ended up having a pantheon of gods despite the original message of Abraham and Ishmael which taught the early Arabs to worship Allah alone (monotheism) [3].

Prophet Muhammed (p) was sent to bring these Arabs back to the teachings of Abraham and outlaw polytheistic and pagan practices (i.e. purify the teachings of Abraham from the polytheistic practices which were innovated into the teachings with time) [3]. Thus any history of the black stone being worshipped by pagan Arabs has no bearing on Islam whatsoever.

References

[1] Reliance of the Traveller, Ahmad ibn Naqib al Misri, edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Amana Publications, 1994 (J5.2,J5.14)

[2] Sahih BUKHARI: Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667

[3] Ar-Raheequl-Makhtum by Safi-ur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, Darussalam, 2002 pg 26-28

[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

Appendix 1

Here is a good video from Iqraproductions educating people about al hajr ul aswad (black stone) clearing up some misconceptions related to the black stone as well as explaining the history behind it:

What is the Black Stone?

Do Muslims Worship the Black Stone?

Was it considered to be the genitalia of a pagan goddess by the pagans of Mecca?

Why do Muslims kiss the Black Stone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmqPNj3FHX8

Appendix 2

What is the Kaba? Muslims do not worship the Kaba (explained by Dr Zakir Naik):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK5Jb8gRIlk&feature=related

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/07/misconceptions-about-black-stone-al_21.html

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2012 7:03:29 PM PDT
bob397103 says:
You don't think they're gonna tell you the truth do you? You know how they lie.

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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2012 8:58:41 PM PDT
William B says:
LOL In your case, no-ish, the "mono" refers to the number of digits in your desecrated Muslim IQ.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2012 9:04:04 PM PDT
L. King says:
Don`t get your hopes up Dickerson. Nobody is evuh gonna lick your black stones. ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2012 9:10:23 PM PDT
bob397103 says:
Then why do you to pray towards Mecca? Mecca isn't God. Mecca is a created thing.

Posted on Oct 29, 2012 9:14:18 PM PDT
Amit kumar says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazratbal_Shrine

The Hazratbal Shrine (Kashmiri: हज़रतब;ल (Devanagari), حضرت بل (Nastaleeq), translation: Majestic Place), is a Muslim shrine in Srinagar, Jammu & Kashmir, India. It contains a relic believed by many Muslims of Kashmir to be a hair of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The name of the shrine comes from the Arabic word Hazrat, meaning holy or majestic, and the Kashmiri word bal, (bal is a corrupted form of Sanskrit Vala which means an enclosure) meaning place.[1]

The shrine is situated on the left bank of the Dal Lake, Srinagar and is considered to be Kashmir's holiest Muslim shrine.[2] The Moi-e-Muqqadas (the sacred hair) of Mohammed is believed to be preserved here. The shrine is known by many names including Hazratbal, Assar-e-Sharief, Madinat-us-Sani, or simply Dargah Sharif.[citation needed]
History of the relic

According to legend, the relic was first brought to India by Syed Abdullah, a descendant of the Islamic prophet Muhammad who left Medina and settled in Bijapur, near Hyderabad in 1635.[citation needed] When Syed Abdullah died, his son, Syed Hamid, inherited the relic.[citation needed] Following the Mughal conquest of the region, Syed Hamid was stripped of his family estates. Finding himself unable to care for the relic, he sold it to a wealthy Kashmiri businessman, Khwaja Nur-ud-Din Eshai.[citation needed]

However, when the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb came to know of what had transpired, he had the relic seized and sent to the shrine of Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti at Ajmer, and had Khwaja Nur-ud-Din Eshai imprisoned in Lahore for possessing the relic.[citation needed] Later, realizing his mistake, Aurangzeb decided to restore the relic to Khwaja Nur-ud-Din Eshai and allowed him to take it to Kashmir.[citation needed] However, by that point, Khwaja Nur-ud-Din Eshai had already died in imprisonment.[citation needed] In the year 1700, the relic finally reached Kashmir, along with the body of Khwaja Nur-ud-Din Eshai. There, Inayat Begum, daughter of Khwaja Nur-ud-Din Eshai, became a custodian of the relic and established the shrine.[citation needed]
Hazratbal Shrine

Inayat Begum was married into the prominent Banday family in Kashmir, and since then, her descendants from the Banday family have been the keepers of the relic, known as Nishaandehs

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Bryan Borich says:
From Wiki, The Jewish Holy Wall (to which they pray, kiss, graffiti - used to, etc...)-

Prayer at the Wall

Women at prayer, early 20th century
The sages state that anyone who prays in the Temple in Jerusalem, "it is as if he has prayed before the throne of glory because the gate of heaven is situated there and it is open to hear prayer".[98] Jewish Law dictates that when Jews pray the Silent Prayer, they should face towards Jerusalem, the Temple and ultimately the Holy of Holies,[99] as all of God's bounty and blessing emanates from that spot.[90] According to the Mishna, of all the four walls of the Temple Mount, the Western Wall was the closest to the Holy of Holies,[100] and therefore that to pray by the Wall is particularly beneficial.[90] Rabbi Jacob Ettlinger writes "since the gate of heaven is near the Western Wall, it is understandable that all Israel's prayers ascend on high there...as one of the great ancient kabbalists Rabbi Joseph Gikatilla said, when the Jews send their prayers from the Diaspora in the direction of Jerusalem, from there they ascend by way of the Western Wall."[30] A well-known segula (efficacious remedy) for finding one's mate is to pray for 40 consecutive days at the Western Wall.[101] This practice was apparently conceived by Rabbi Yisroel Yaakov Fisher.[102]

According to some, by Late Antiquity the privileged site of Jewish prayer in Jerusalem was located on the Mount of Olives and only towards the end of the Middle Ages did Jews gradually begin to congregate instead at the Western Wall for their prayers, authorized to do so by the waqf authorities.[103] Indeed, most historians believe that the Western Wall became a popular prayer area only after the Ottoman conquest of Jerusalem in 1517. There are, however, recorded instances of the wall being used as a place of prayer before the Ottoman period. The Scroll of Ahimaaz, a historical document written in 1050 CE, distinctly describes the Western Wall as a place of prayer for the Jews.[104] In around 1167 CE during the late Crusader Period, Benjamin of Tudela wrote that "In front of this place is the Western Wall, which is one of the walls of the Holy of Holies. This is called the Gate of Mercy, and hither come all the Jews to pray before the Wall in the open court".[24] In 1334, Jewish traveller Isaac Chelo wrote: "It is this Western Wall which stands before the temple of Omar ibn al Khattab, and which is called the Gate of Mercy. The Jews resort thither to say their prayers, as Rabbi Benjamin has already related. Today, this wall is one of the seven wonders of the Holy City."[23] In 1625 "arranged prayers" at the Wall are mentioned for the first time by a scholar whose name has not been preserved.[19] Scrolls of the Law were brought to the Wall on occasions of public distress and calamity, as testified to in a narrative written by Rabbi Gedaliah of Semitizi who went to Jerusalem in 1699.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2012 11:06:25 AM PDT
bob397103 says:
>>Why was there a holy of holies for some?<<

I don't know.

>>Your mind is a temple -- don't pollute it!<<

Don't worry, I won't convert.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 30, 2012 2:46:06 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 30, 2012 2:47:14 PM PDT
Poor devil, it's not about conversion to a culture. There's a thin line beyond that you really can't fake: oh oh what I want to know is Are you kind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP657ivCzOM

\\>>Your mind is a temple -- don't pollute it!<<

Don't worry, I won't convert. \\

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Susanna says:
Wow, that is sweet and fabulous.
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