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Why did the British ship many of there children overseas?


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Initial post: Nov 9, 2012 9:14:09 AM PST
D. Vicks says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 9:16:54 AM PST
Dave, please read.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 9:56:15 AM PST
Debunker says:
Where? There?

Posted on Nov 9, 2012 12:08:21 PM PST
I'm assuming the post is about the evacuation of children during WWII. If so, the Brits were trying to safeguard their future from possible Nazi chemical weapons attacks on their cities. If that's not what you are talking about, I have no idea.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 6:21:34 PM PST
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John M. Lane says:
The British expected a Nazi invasion. They hoped to spare their children's lives by shipping them out of what they feared would become a battlefield.

I'm not British, but do not believe that moving children to safety was a Labour/Tory issue.

Posted on Jan 11, 2013 9:16:58 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 4, 2013 8:30:40 PM PST
C. Hall says:
What's their excuse for this?

Oranges & Sunshine [AKA-Empty Cradles]
Up to 150,000 children, some as young as three years old, had been deported from children's homes in Britain,and some were just children of the poor,kidnapped and lied to,that their parents had died, and shipped off to a "new life" in distant parts of the British empire, right up 'until 1970'!!
So this had nothing to do with WWII!

and how they sent their children away to boarding school,seems the Brits don't much like having children around!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2013 9:21:47 AM PST
Britain is the land of Charles Dickens.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 3, 2013 7:24:45 AM PST
Dwight says:
Three Blind Mice and Other Stories

Posted on Dec 3, 2013 9:20:30 AM PST
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C. Hall says:
Nor do they seem to want to raise their children!

The Making of Them: The British Attitude to Children and the Boarding School System

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 3, 2013 2:03:22 PM PST
IGS says:
Simply, if you mean WWII, it was bombing of the cities during the Blitz. There was always a risk of being killed in German air raids. The "Chronicles of Narnia" depicts one such event, where the children were shipped to the countryside, which was far more common than shipping overseas.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 3, 2013 3:37:48 PM PST
C. Hall says:
WWII was over long before 1970 when they were still deporting their children!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2013 2:10:14 AM PST
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Dwight says:
Frances Hodgson Burnett certainly described the socially accepted neglect of children both poor and rich in The Secret Garden and A Little Princess.

Somerset Maugham's stories of human relationships were chilling.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2013 2:23:33 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 4, 2013 2:26:17 AM PST
Dwight says:
So the British MUST believe that ancestry matters because they used these children to increase the population in their overseas establishments.

That's INCREDIBLE. That's also kind of Nazi.
and not American.

wow

this in addition to Rabbit-Proof Fence and kidnapping people to send to Oz as criminals even if you just owed money (like the factory workers in Seconds...) which I learned from BEYOND BLUE MOUNTAINS.

This is very odd when you take into account how ruthless the factory owners reportedly were in England - what kind of country is this???

I mean, they are SO CHARMING and socially adroit. That's not good if they are wicked.

It also explains why Queen Elizabeth is REALLY comfortable with socializing with Akihito and his extended family members not just for rare diplomatic events. And THAT would have something to do with why Wahaha (named after how Chinese children laugh)'s company founder refused an invitation to Meet the Queen.

HOLY CRAP.

Posted on Dec 4, 2013 2:37:28 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 4, 2013 2:51:34 AM PST
Dwight says:
Are we to believe the alliance of Five Eyes or are we to believe The Snuke?

Is David Cameron pretending to not get along with China? Or are they both preparing to deny the Monkey in the Middle any effective entreaties on the monkeys' behalf by the influential British?

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/829371.shtml#.Up8D6OLAFRM

I still can't believe Neil Heywood is dead by Chinese hands - that seems so undiplomatic.

Is Simon Murray a good guy? He did give a very satisfying interview to RT News declaring that Germany is bound by the EU camouflaged with his harsh assessment of China's future. Glencore and Sino Forrest do not look good but it could just be strategy to head off the real enemy's designs on developing countries' resources.

Maybe all of this negative stuff about England is just a pantomime.

Posted on Dec 4, 2013 2:48:50 AM PST
Dwight says:
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/jun/13/ming-panda-pioneer-britain

this could be seen as Anglosaxon looting along the lines of the Chinese tea plants that ended up in India, the Summer Palace, etc. BUT it connected a vulnerable China to the rest of the world destroying revisionist attempts by the Japanese who coveted all treasures for themselves and massacred pandas and skinned them and wore their furs. They also skinned people frequently and PUNISHED pretty rape victims by slitting their mouths (Glasgow smile, right?) and that was echoed by the ninja played by Korean Will Yun Lee in The Wolverine.

Posted on Dec 4, 2013 3:02:02 AM PST
Dwight says:
We're going to need a book at least about how the POWs found the distinct clothing and rotting corpses of kidnapped Chinese children under their feet in Japanese-owned mines.

Let's see our military wholeheartedly DEFEND their Japanese allies then.

Japan cannot be allowed to encroach upon Asian real estate again. No weapons, no fighter jets and no ships can be in Chinese territory. The threat is real and persistent and is WORLDWIDE against the Chinese specifically.

They are still stalking us.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2013 5:34:50 AM PST
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Smallchief says:
Look up "Home Children" on Wikipedia. More than 10,000 children were shipped out of Britain to Australia and other countries between the 1940s and the 1970s. There's a good movie about this: Empty Cradles.

Why did the Brits do it? It was cheaper to send the kids abroad than keep them in Britain. The children were mostly orphans or public charges or born out of wedlock and the Brits rationalized that the kids would have a better life in a different country. Some of them did; some were abused, essentially sold into slavery. The Brits and Aussies lied to the children, telling them they had no parents. There are many horror stories that you can easily find on the web.

A woman named Margaret Humphries dedicated her life to re-connecting the children in Australia with their parents in Britain.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2013 8:48:08 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
They were "deporting" their children until 1970? Where did you get this information? The British Music Invasion doesn't count.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2013 8:48:33 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Those books were written a very long time ago.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2013 8:55:28 AM PST
S. Kessler says:
Oh, thanks for that info, Smallchief. I did not know about this part of post war activity. I know that in the 50s and most of the 60s, Britain was still in a bad economic slump. Maybe some of those who were "resettling" children (as the euphemistic term for it) thought they were doing something good, but then there is the evil underbelly of exploiting children with no family networks to keep them from being exploited.

Happens here in the U.S. with the foster system sometimes. It is a very sad situation as these kids have few advocates inside the system. Some foster parents are really good to their foster kids and may wind up adopting them. Others do it for the money they get and treat the kids like servants or simply neglect them.

Posted on Dec 4, 2013 9:58:41 AM PST
Dwight says:
http://news.yahoo.com/return-treasures-britain-looted-chinese-tell-cameron-071447809.html

this follows Chinese news about a special bureau in the Japanese government that researched Chinese treasures to be stolen when Japan finally invaded

this HAS to be using UK as a stand-in to send a message to Japan

I'm about ready to save some money and cancel cable if not also internet and watch my mother collect the newspaper clippings of China unfurling their disdain upon the offeneders. There is SO MUCH dirt on these transgressors who now pose as ladies and gentlemen teaching others manners. That is really something that Russians DON'T do compared to Western and Mittel Europe and they should be commended for that. I notice there is an article about Black and White envy in Russia but you don't see Russia behaving like Germany.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2013 11:17:24 AM PST
Dwight says:
Was Nigella Lawson's family already in England at the time? Neil Gaiman? Who knows how many other families would have fallen to the list.

The GINGERS - omg - imagine Amy Pond in the clutches of the Nazis.

Posted on Dec 4, 2013 12:09:04 PM PST
Dwight says:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/03/kindertransport-75-year-anniversary-nazis-jewish-children

England had no problem helping and keeping these children however.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2013 5:42:28 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 4, 2013 5:46:58 PM PST
C. Hall says:
S. Kessler says:
"They were "deporting" their children until 1970? Where did you get this information? The British Music Invasion doesn't count. "

Look at the post above yours about Margaret Humphries who is the author of Oranges & Sunshine the book about this atrocity,and which the film 'Empty Cradles' is based on.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2013 5:44:07 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 4, 2013 5:47:45 PM PST
C. Hall says:
S. Kessler says:
"Those books were written a very long time ago."

Let's see since this was still happening in 1970, they couldn't have been written too awfully long ago,unless you consider 1970 the dark ages!!!
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