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In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 5:44:10 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Smallchief says:

[-- that elements of the U.S. government conspired in the assassination of JFK] - CORRECT

[-- that the Bush Administration and/or Jews and/or Muslims conspired to blow up the Twin Towers] - some Muslims conspired to do this, not all of them.

[-- that the moon landing was faked] - CORRECT

[-- that Obama was born in Kenya and that he is secretly a Muslim agent of Osama bin Laden] - NO

[-- that Dwight D. Eisenhower was secretly a communist and and agent of Moscow (just to toss in an old forgotten conspiracy)] - That's just plain un-American.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 5:46:15 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Linda K. Hadley says:

[Lee Oswald was the Doorway Man in the Altgens photo.]

OK so why is that important ?

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 5:51:35 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Lawrence A. Dickerson says:

[Control of the masses has always been the goal of governments and religions not to mention the amassing of wealth and power.]

I've been watching a lot of TV shows about the Italian mafia lately.

In a way the entire 20th century in America was a struggle to defeat corruption and the criminal element.

With the Kennedy assassination the military industrial complex turned to the mafia to provide the shooters. That was business as usual and the normal procedure when they wanted to assassinate the leader of a country.

The Catholic Church has had problems with corruption over the centuries. That seemed to happen most often when the Church was too involved with materialism.

That's why there should always be a separation of church and state.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 5:55:15 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Henry Sienzant says:

[So, when asked if he shot the President, he brought up the building. He didn't deny shooting the President immediately, he just mentioned the building.]

In order to understand Oswald's words and behavior you would have to know what orders he was given by his corrupt and murderous handlers before the assassination.

Oswald was a loyal marine who served America. He was following orders which may have been reinforced with the CIAs diabolical mind control techniques that included hypnosis, drugs, sensory deprivation, and God knows what else.

At some point Lee realized that he had been betrayed and set up as the patsy and he himself said as one some of his last words in this world.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 5:59:57 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Henry Sienzant says:

[Please bear in mind the Altgens photo in question was published on the evening of the assassination in the evening papers on 11/22/63.]

Photographic evidence about the JFK assassination is highly suspect and unreliable.

The autopsy photos were taken after the head wound had been modified by a mortician to make it appear that the bullet entered the back of the head.

There was a photo of JFKs throat wound that clearly showed the bullet entered from the front. That appeared on TV a few times but was pulled very soon.

Then there's that famous photo of Oswald holding the rifle in the back yard. Lee himself said that this photo was fake and they placed his face over the original photo.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:07:00 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Lawrence A. Dickerson says:

[I am not saying that you are one of those agents but your efforts are close to their methods of obfucating the issues.]

I don't think the U.S. government could ever admit that JFK was killed by a conspiracy within our own country, at least not with the way society is today.

To admit that would instantly create 60,000 wrongful death legal cases plus an infinite sea of other legal actions for other injuries of all kinds that occurred in that hell hole called Viet Nam.

This would create a legal quagmire that would last for 100 years and bankrupt the entire government even more than it already is.

The government spooks you talk about come up in the UFO world also.

Jeff Marzano

Mystery of the Men in Black: The UFO Silencers

UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:22:12 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Henry Sienzant says:

[For some reason, they think everyone in the world is guilty of the shooting or otherwise involved in the JFK assassination, except the one guy all the evidence points to).]

There is no reliable evidence. That's the problem.

People like Bugliosi write massive books based on everything the public was fed by the government when this happened. What they don't realize is the government itself was part of the coverup.

Once people say 'the evidence shows this or that' you can stop reading right there.

The illustrious Secret Service took a bucket and sponge and wiped down the presidential limousine while it was still outside Parkland Hospital.

This is supposedly one of the most sophisticated security organizations in the world and they compromise a crime scene in such a blatant and unimaginable way. Was this just another coincidence ?

There are countless other similar 'coincidences' associated with this assassination. Any piece of physical evidence that would have provided conclusive conclusions about what really happened was compromised, disappeared, etc..

Where is JFK's brain today ? Nobody knows. Some people say the Kennedy family has it. So they decided to keep their dead loved one's brain in a jar in the refrigerator ? DNA technology could prove if that is the case.

Even if the brain does exist the government spooks would have tampered with it to change everything.

Once they tricked Bobby, the attorney general, and said Oswald was a Castro sympathizer, the orders came from him to start the massive coverup as a matter of national security to prevent Khrushchev from finding out about the Kennedy's plans to assassinate Castro. The Kennedy's had given Khrushchev their word that Castro would not be harmed. They broke their word and were afraid that somehow their murderous plans would come out if people realized there was more than one shooter.

So I guess the Kennedy boys had their own secrets and were involved with a lot of political intrigue, murder plots, etc.. But the tables got turned on them.

Such are the hazards when dealing with killers.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:28:57 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Antediluvian Priestess says:

[If the brains are on the back of the car, he is hit from the front, otherwise they would be all over the frontpassengers. True or not ?]

Right. To me the fatal head shot in the Zapruder film clearly shows that he was hit from the front and from BELOW the car.

Then there's the issue of Oswald being able to make that shot from almost 100 yards away into a moving vehicle without hitting Jackie who by that time had her arm around JFK and was very close to him. It might be possible to make that shot but highly unlikely.

In reality the shooter was only a few feet away.

Jackie Kennedy was very fortunate to survive. She literally had bullets wizzing around her head. Her getting killed or worse on that day would have made a terrible tragedy even more horrific.

This again shows the ruthlessness of Johnson and his cronies. If Jackie had been killed they wouldn't have cared. Then after the assassination Lyndon tried to put the make on Jackie.

That's called an 'enemy'.

Hopefully I'll be able to include that element in my movie. Johnson will be the main villain.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:35:19 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Henry Sienzant says:

[But like everything else that points to Oswald, conspiracy theorists are quick to dismiss it as being faked / planted / swapped for the real evidence.]

Exactly. What you said is the real crux of the disagreement between conspiracy believers and those who swallow the government line.

If there was a conspiracy there is no reliable evidence other than whatever unaltered film and photos made it into the public domain before the FBI could confiscate or modify them.

One of those is the Zapruder film.

The subject of flying saucers is similar. Police officers, people in the military, and many other witnesses have seen them. But the government spooks deny this.

After the Roswell incident Truman set up the Majestic 12 group to secretly study the phenomenon while at the same time create confusion and disinformation with the public.

The subject of flying saucers was given a higher security classification than the hydrogen bomb project. That meant that anyone who knew too much about the disks could be killed.

Many people died because They Knew Too Much about Flying Saucers

Any many died because they knew too much about the Kennedy assassination.

Jeff Marzano

Crash at Corona: The U.S. Military Retrieval and Cover-Up of a UFO

Top Secret/Majic: Operation Majestic-12 and the United States Government's UFO Cover-up

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:40:42 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Henry Sienzant says:

[The Z-film shows no ejecta over the trunk of the car.]

I disagree. That's why Jackie was climbing out of the back of the limo. She wanted to grab what was left of JFK's skull and reattach it to his head.

Of course the people in the car did get blood on them also. This was a massive wound and the shooter may have been using explosive tipped bullets.

It was also windy that day.

As I said before we would know more if the Secret Service didn't wash down the limo with a bucket of water almost immediately after the assassination.

They were all following the orders that were based on a secret document that told what to do if something like that happened. Those orders came from the attorney general, Robert Kennedy. Their goal was to prevent the public from realizing that there were multiple shooters.

Too bad for Bobby he, like Oswald, didn't realize until it was much too late how far this conspiracy really went. Bobby underestimated the utter ruthlessness of Lyndon Johnson and his buddies in the military industrial complex.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:43:54 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Henry Sienzant says:

[Governor Connally: ... and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly.]

Who would trust anything Connolly said anyway ? He was probably one of the conspirators.

If you want to quote him:

"My God THEY'RE going to kill us all."

Connolly was another one who found out what can happen when people cast their lots with killers.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:47:55 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Spiritual Architect says:

[I wonder what the refusers here think is in that paperwork ?]

To me all of those secrets are uncovered in the DVD set 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' including the Final Chapter episodes that first aired in 2003.

The secret is that Johnson was one of the main conspirators. Hoover in the FBI was also involved as were elements of the CIA and Secret Service.

The Italian mafia provided the snipers. They got them from France since they wanted white guys but didn't want to use Americans in case they got picked up after the assassination.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:49:19 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
whomper says:

[they showed one teh cia did putting oswalds head on anohter body]

Right Oswald himself said that photo was a fake.

Then again if he really was the shooter that's what he would have said. I don't believe this though. He didn't shoot any guns that day.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:54:30 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 6:58:16 PM PDT
keith stone says:
Jesus, Jeff we thought you were going to get help?

And as usual, you're wrong. It was Nellie Connally who said My God they're going to kill us all, not her husband.

In case you haven't noticed, Jeff has issues. Many issues.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:55:59 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Henry Sienzant says:

[The House Select Committee on Assassinations took another look at the JFK assassination in 1978-1979, and they agreed with the Warren Commission that all the shots that struck the President were fired by Lee Harvey Oswald from the Depository]

There was at least one government investigation into this assassination where the investigators resigned in disgust. I thought that was in the 70s.

They could not subpoena anyone and their efforts were thwarted at every turn by the hypocrites in the government. Eventually they realized that the government spooks didn't really want them to find out what happened.

The coverup still continues today. As I said before they will never be able to admit what happened because of the highly litigious society we live in.

There would probably be anarchy in the streets also. People are already fed up with the government, the Wall Street crooks, etc.. If they ever admit the truth all of the guns in American society will probably be turned against the government.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 6:59:32 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Henry Sienzant says:

[You are apparently referring to the 'backyard' photos of Oswald taken by his wife Marina about 8 months before the assassination and found among his possessions after the assassination.]

If the original photo still exists determining its authenticity should be very easy to do using modern technology.

Don't tell me. The original has gone missing. Another coincidence.

Not that the photo itself would prove that much even if it is legitimate. So Oswald owned a rifle. So what ?

The CIA probably told him to have the picture taken.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 7:05:31 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 7:25:24 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Paperback Writer says:

[Are conspiracy theorists claiming that every murder of a power figure was the result of a conspiracy ?]

Conspiracy theories have to be studied and evaluated on an individual basis.

There are a few that have withstood the test of time and intense scrutiny. The Kennedy assassination is one of them.

If I can think of one thing that makes this murder stink to the high heavens it's the shooting of Oswald at the police station by a two bit strip club owner. This event makes no sense whatsoever in any context other than a conspiracy.

That is unless you believe Bugliosi who says "Ruby loved JFK".

Jack Ruby was a criminal, not a patriot. He wouldn't throw his life away for something as idealistic as that. Anyone who thinks he would is very gullible indeed.

There is no easy way for the non conspiracy guys to explain why this happened within about 24 hours after the assassination.

Another 'coincidence' and probably the most important coincidence of them all. Oswald was a walking treasure trove of evidence. If he had survived history would understand this event much differently.

But the fates had other plans. I guess they had decided that the people involved would be allowed to get away with murder for a time.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 7:09:38 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 29, 2012 7:26:02 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Henry Sienzant says:

[Despite the fact that numerous people had to pin Sirhan down and pry the still warm gun from his hand, they think Sirhan was framed.]

See with Bobby they got smarter. The thing with Oswald got too messy.

They subjected SirHan to their mind control techniques. Yes he did fire a gun that day. But there was another shooter.

The forensic evidence from the autopsy clearly shows that the gun was right next to Bobby's head since it caused powder burns. SirHan never got that close.

Do people think the CIA didn't have a mind control and brain washing program ? Well that's far beyond dispute. It's a matter of public record.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 7:21:53 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Keith stone says:

[And as usual, you're wrong. It was Nellie Connally who said My God they're going to kill us all, not her husband.]

Before you go telling people they're wrong and need help maybe you should get some of your half ass statements straight.

Jeff Marzano

Posted on May 29, 2012 7:33:36 PM PDT
Jeff, it will come down to the Doorway Man. He was the first corrupted piece of evidence in the case. So, the cover-up started with him, and it's going to end with him. Doorman is wearing Oswald's clothes, including the loose-fitting, unbuttoned outer shirt and the v-necked t-shirt. He also has Oswald's ear, Oswald's eyes, and Oswald's build. And the steps they took to falsely sell the idea that it was Lovelady are breathtaking in their scope and magnitude. Ralph's video series on youtube begins at this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_3sCGPQ3zk&feature=youtu.be

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 8:17:57 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says: "In order to understand Oswald's words and behavior you would have to know what orders he was given by his corrupt and murderous handlers before the assassination."

You're just assuming Oswald had handlers and followed orders.

"Oswald was a loyal marine who served America. He was following orders which may have been reinforced with the CIAs diabolical mind control techniques that included hypnosis, drugs, sensory deprivation, and God knows what else."

Again, you're assuming all that. There's absolutely no evidence of it, so I guess that means it's true [roll eyes]. This is a guy who defected to Russia, this is a guy who subscribed to communist literature, this is a guy who had difficulty forming close relationships in his life.

"At some point Lee realized that he had been betrayed and set up as the patsy and he himself said as one some of his last words in this world."

No, Oswald's words about being the patsy concern his time in Russia. He claims he's the patsy because he defected to the Soviet Union in the past. He is not claiming to be a patsy because he was a heroic marine out to stop the assassination or anything like that -- the most bizarre formulation I've seen and a total reversal of the actual role of Oswald in the assassination.

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 8:26:01 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says: "Photographic evidence about the JFK assassination is highly suspect and unreliable."

You only say that because the evidence points to Oswald. If it pointed anywhere else, you'd be proclaiming how good it was.

"The autopsy photos were taken after the head wound had been modified by a mortician to make it appear that the bullet entered the back of the head."

No, they weren't. The autopsy photos were verified a number of different ways by the HSCA photographic and medical panels. They are not altered in any way.

"There was a photo of JFKs throat wound that clearly showed the bullet entered from the front. That appeared on TV a few times but was pulled very soon."

Of course, all you have of that event is a bad memory, right? Nobody taped it, and nobody's got a copy of that photo, correct? All you have is a old-wive's tale, in other words.

"Then there's that famous photo of Oswald holding the rifle in the back yard. Lee himself said that this photo was fake and they placed his face over the original photo."

Yes he did. But extensive analysis shows no evidence of fakery. And I guess in your world, the guilty murderers, being highly moral beings, never lie in custody about anything, and everything they say should be taken as the gospel truth, right? No? Guilty murders DO sometimes lie in custody when confronted with evidence against them? So how did you decide Oswald was not guilty, and telling the truth? It's still his rifle on the sixth floor, right? And Marina admits taking the backyard photos, right?

Hank

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 8:29:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 30, 2012 11:20:37 AM PDT
Jeff Marzano says: "I don't think the U.S. government could ever admit that JFK was killed by a conspiracy within our own country, at least not with the way society is today. "

Well, of course not. Especially since the only conspiracy to assassinate JFK consists entirely of nonsense spun by Conspiracy Theorists who consider the word evidence a four-letter word. Yourself included. You admit it below.

Posted on May 29, 2012 8:39:21 PM PDT
Hey Henry, How did Oswald learn Russian so well? He spoke it; he wrote it; he read it. And fluently. His wife Marina thought he was a native Russian when she first met him. How'd a boy from N'Ahleans learn to do that?

In reply to an earlier post on May 29, 2012 8:42:19 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says: "There is no reliable evidence. That's the problem."

You'd like to believe that, because that's the only way you can believe in a conspiracy. If you throw all the evidence in a trash can. But the evidence tells us a lot. It was Oswald's rifle found on the sixth floor, for starters. It didn't walk there by itself.

"Once people say 'the evidence shows this or that' you can stop reading right there."

You're saying we're better off making up stuff than using the evidence to solve the crime. Sorry, you can't convince any reasonable person of anything without evidence. Saying "This is what happened" without having evidence to back it up means you're either guessing, or making it up as you go along. A bit like Linda and Ralph.

"The illustrious Secret Service took a bucket and sponge and wiped down the presidential limousine while it was still outside Parkland Hospital. This is supposedly one of the most sophisticated security organizations in the world and they compromise a crime scene in such a blatant and unimaginable way. Was this just another coincidence ? "

You are judging 1963 actions by 2012 knowledge. There was no such thing as blood spatter evidence in 1963.

"There are countless other similar 'coincidences' associated with this assassination. Any piece of physical evidence that would have provided conclusive conclusions about what really happened was compromised, disappeared, etc.."

No, you're reading too many conspiracy books. There is plenty of valid evidence. Like the rifle.

"Where is JFK's brain today ? Nobody knows. Some people say the Kennedy family has it. So they decided to keep their dead loved one's brain in a jar in the refrigerator ? DNA technology could prove if that is the case. Even if the brain does exist the government spooks would have tampered with it to change everything. "

Lol. The HSCA determined the last person known to have possession of JFK's brain was Angie Novello, Robert Kennedy's personal secretary. Their best guess was most likely RFK had the brain re-interred at Arlington with the President's body in 1967 when the permanent gas line for the eternal flame was installed at the grave site.

Once they tricked Bobby, the attorney general, and said Oswald was a Castro sympathizer,

Oswald was a Castro sympathizer. He started a Fair Play for Cuba Committee Chapter, he went to Mexico City to get a visa to defect to Cuba, he spoke to his wife about maybe hijacking a plane to Cuba, he shot at General Walker and killed JFK (two of the most vocal anti-Cuban politicians in the U.S. at the time.

I guess that makes him anti-Castro in your world.

Hank
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