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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2012 1:08:02 PM PST
King's Kid says:
Bookish says:
You seem superficial and rash.
KK says: You seem pompous and bigoted.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2012 12:50:13 PM PST
King's Kid says:
Good comeback Ralph.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2012 12:47:53 PM PST
King's Kid says:
There are jerks everywhere who make fun of other's beliefs. These happen to be secular jews who don't practice their own inherited faith. BFD

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2012 12:38:59 PM PST
King's Kid says:
Bookish says: The Christians will never let the Jews keep Jerusalem to themselves -- just admit it.
KK says: We don't need to own Jerusalem; the Jews, the creators and true owners of the city will allow (as they do now) access to our holy places. They are God's beloved people and are Christians' parents in the faith. (They might not like it, but there is a reason we have the Pentateuch in the OT.) We share the old city now, Jews, Christians and Moslems; I see no reason to expect that to change.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2012 12:26:19 PM PST
King's Kid says:
Hater hater!

Posted on Dec 6, 2012 11:47:23 AM PST
jeffesq613 says:
<The last three years of Mohammed's life were marked by a steady increase of power. In the eighth year of the Hegira (630) he entered the city of Mecca as a conqueror, showing great forbearance toward his old enemies. This event decided his eventual supremacy over the whole of Arabia. Other conquests extended his authority to the Syrian frontier and as far south as Ṭa'if; and in the following years embassies poured in from the different parts of the peninsula bringing the submission of the various tribes.>

Posted on Dec 6, 2012 11:46:04 AM PST
jeffesq613 says:
<Attacks Jews of Khaibar.

There were now no more Jews in the vicinity of Medina, but those at Khaibar continued to annoy the prophet. Abu al-Ḥuḳaiḳ of the Banu al-Naḍir, who had settled at Khaibar, was suspected of inciting the Bedouins to plunder the Moslems. Accordingly five men of the Banu Khazraj were sent secretly and murdered him. Usair, who succeeded him as chief of Khaibar, was likewise assassinated at Mohammed's command. In the sixth year of the Hegira Mohammed made a treaty with the Ḳuraish, at Ḥudaibiyah, whither he had proceeded with some of his followers with the intention of making the pilgrimage to Mecca. The Ḳuraish objected to his entering the city, and this treaty was made instead. It provided for a cessation of hostilities for ten years. In the same year Mohammed sent embassies to the rulers of the six surrounding states inviting them to embrace Islam, but the King of Abyssinia was the only one who sent a favorable reply. In the next year the prophet attacked the Jews of Khaibar in order to reward with the rich plunder of that place the followers who had accompanied him to Ḥudaibiyah. The Jews were conquered after a brave resistance, and their leader, Kinanah, was killed. Mohammed married the chief's young wife on the battle-field; and a very rich booty fell into the hands of the Moslems. Some Jews were still left at Khaibar, but merely as tillers of the soil, and on condition of giving up one-half the produce. They remained until Omar banished all Jews from the country. The Jews of the Wadi alḲura, of Fadak, and of Taima were still left; but they surrendered before the end of the year.>

To be continued ...

Posted on Dec 6, 2012 11:44:31 AM PST
jeffesq613 says:
<Attacks the Banu al-Nadir.

Mohammed now needed some opportunity to recover his prestige and to make up for the disappointment of Uḥud. He found it the next year in an attack upon the Banu al-Naḍir, another of the influential Jewish tribes in the vicinity of Medina. A pretext was easily invented. Mohammed had visited the settlement of the tribe to discuss the amount of blood-money to be paid for the murder of two men by an ally of the Jews, when he suddenly left the gathering and went home. He is said by some to have declared that the angel Gabriel had revealed to him a plot of the Banu al-Naḍir to kill him as he sat among them. The latter were immediately informed that they must leave the vicinity. They refused to obey; and Mohammed attacked their stronghold. After a siege lasting more than a fortnight, and after their date-trees had been cut down-contrary to Arabian ethics of war-the Jewish tribe surrendered and was allowed to emigrate with all its possessions, on condition of leaving its arms behind (Sprenger, "Das Leben des Moḥammad," iii. 162; "Allg. Zeit. des Jud." pp. 58, 92). The rich lands thus left vacant were distributed among the refugees who had fled with Mohammed from Mecca and who had hitherto been more or less of a burden on the hospitality of the people of Medina. The prophet was thus able both to satisfy his hatred against the Jews and materially to strengthen his position.
Destroys the Banu Ḳuraiẓa.

In the fifth year of the Hegira the Banu Ḳuraiẓa, the last Jewish tribe remaining in the neighborhood of Medina, were disposed of. Again the direct cause for attack was a matter of policy. The Ḳuraish of Mecca, whose caravans were constantly being harassed by the Moslems and by other disaffected tribes including the Jews, had formed the project of uniting their forces against Mohammed. The leader of this enterprise was the able and vigorous Abu Sufyan of Mecca. The allies encamped before Medina and engaged in what is known as "the battle of the trenches," so called from the manner in which Medina was protected from attack. The Moslems succeeded in keeping the Banu Ḳuraiẓa out of the fight by making them and the allies mutually suspicious, and the allies finally withdrew without having accomplished their purpose. The Moslems also were disappointed in having no plunder, so that Mohammed felt called upon to provide a diversion. The allies had scarcely departed, the Moslems had not yet laid down their arms, when the prophet claimed to have received a communication from Gabriel bidding him march instantly against the Banu Ḳuraiẓa. The last-named, who had no time to prepare for a long siege, retired to their castles, and surrendered after two weeks, trusting to escape as their kinsmen of the Banu Ḳainuẓa' and the Banu al-Naḍir had done. Their fate was left to the decision of Sa'ad b. Mu'adh, who, although of the tribe of Aus, the allies ofthe Ḳuraiẓa, felt bitter toward them on account of their supposed treachery toward the Moslems. He decided that all the men should be killed, the women and children sold as slaves, and the property divided among the army. The carnage began the next morning, and between 600 and 700 victims were beheaded beside the trenches in which they were to be buried. Mohammed refers to the siege of Medina and the massacre of the Jews in sura xxxiii.>

To be continued ...

Posted on Dec 6, 2012 11:43:37 AM PST
jeffesq613 says:
<First Raids.

Mohammed's first attacks upon the Meccans were of a predatory nature, made upon the caravans, which, as all classes had a financial interest in them, were the very life of the city. The early expeditions were of comparatively little importance; and the battle of Badr in the second year of the Hegira was the first encounter of really great moment. In this battle the Moslems were successful and killed nearly fifty of the Ḳuraish, besides taking prisoners. This battle was of supreme importance in the history of Islam. The prophet had preached the doctrine that war against the unbelievers was a religious duty; and now he could claim that God was on his side. His power was consolidated; the faith of the wavering was strengthened; and his opponents were terrified. The die was cast; Islam was to be a religion of conquest with the sword. After the battle of Badr, Mohammed dared to manifest his hostility to the Jews openly. A Jewess, named Asma, who had written satirical verses on the battle of Badr, was assassinated, by command of Mohammed, as she lay in bed with her child at the breast. The murderer was publicly commended the next day by the prophet. A few weeks later Abu 'Afak, a Jewish poet whose verses had similarly offended, was likewise murdered. It is said that Mohammed had expressed a desire to be rid of him. These were single instances. The prophet soon found a pretext for attacking in a body the Banu Ḳainuḳa', one of the three influential Jewish tribes at Medina. They were besieged in their stronghold for fifteen days, and finally surrendered. Mohammed was prevented from putting them all to death only by the insistent pleading in their behalf of Abdallah b. Ubai, the influential leader of the opposition whom Mohammed did not dare offend. Instead, the whole tribe was banished, and its goods were confiscated. The prophet was thus enabled to give material benefits to his followers.
Death to Jewish Poets.

Medina now enjoyed a few months of comparative quiet, disturbed only by a few unimportant marauding expeditions. The third year of the Hegira was marked by the assassination of a third Jewish poet, Ka'b b. al-Ashraf, who by his verses had stirred up the Ḳuraish at Mecca against Mohammed. The prophet prayed to be delivered from him; and there was no lack of men eager to execute his wishes. The circumstances attending the murder were particularly revolting. At about the same time a Jewish merchant, Abu Sanina by name, was murdered, and the Jews complained to Mohammed of such treacherous dealing. A new treaty was concluded with them, which, however, did not greatly allay their fears. Some months after these events (Jan., 625) occurred the battle of Uḥud, in which the Meccans took revenge for their defeat at Badr. Seventy-four Moslems were killed in the fight; Mohammed himself was badly wounded; and the prophet's prestige was seriously affected. The Jews were especially jubilant, declaring that if he had claimed Badr to be a mark of divine favor, Uḥud, by the same process of reasoning, must be a proof of disfavor. Various answers to these doubts and arguments may be found in the Koran, sura iii.>

To be continued ...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 6, 2012 11:42:16 AM PST
jeffesq613 says:
<Mohammed's entry into Medina marks the beginning of an almost continuous external development of Islam, which as a religion, it is true, lost in depth and moral content, and crystallized into dogmatic formulas, but as a political entity achieved increasing success through the eminent political ability of the prophet himself. The Arab inhabitants of Medina, the tribes of Aus and Khazraj, all joined the religion of the prophet within two years from the Hegira. Political differences, however, arose between them, especially after Mohammed had reserved for himself exclusively the office of judge; and these differences led to the formation of a moderate party of opposition, the Munafij, or weak believers, who often, and without detriment to his cause, restrained the prophet's impetuosity. But the propaganda came to a halt among the numerous Jews living in the city and the surrounding country, who were partly under the protection of the ruling Arab tribes, the Banu 'Auf, Al-Ḥarith, Al-Najjar, Sa'idah, Jusham, Al-Aus, Tha'labah, and partly belonged to such large and powerful Jewish tribes as the Banu Ḳuraiẓa, Al-Naḍir, Ḳainuḳa'. In the first year of the Hegira Mohammed was apparently on friendly terms with them, not yet recognizing their religion to be different from his; indeed, they were included in a treaty which he made with the inhabitants of Medina shortly after his arrival among them. The prophet and his adherents borrowed from these Jews many ritual customs, as, for instance, the regularity and formality of public prayers, fasting-which later on, following the Christian example, was extended to a whole month-the more important of the dietary laws, and the "ḳiblah" (direction in which one turns during prayer) toward Jerusalem, which was subsequently changed to the ḳiblah toward Mecca. But the longer Mohammed studied the Jews the more clearly he perceived that there were irreconcilable differences between their religion and his, especially when the belief in his prophetic mission became the criterion of a true Moslem.

Relation to Jews.

The Jews, on their side, could not let pass unchallenged the way in which the Koran appropriated Biblical accounts and personages; for instance, its making Abraham an Arab and the founder of the Ka'bah at Mecca. The prophet, who looked upon every evident correction of his gospel as an attack upon his own reputation, brooked no contradiction, and unhesitatingly threw down the gauntlet to the Jews. Numerous passages in the Koran show how he gradually went from slight thrusts to malicious vituperations and brutal attacks on the customs and beliefs of the Jews. When they justified themselves by referring to the Bible, Mohammed, who had taken nothing therefrom at first hand, accused them of intentionally concealing its true meaning or of entirely misunderstanding it, and taunted them with being "asses who carry books" (sura lxii. 5). The increasing bitterness of this vituperation, which was similarly directed against the less numerous Christians of Medina, indicated that in time Mohammed would not hesitate to proceed to actual hostilities. The outbreak of the latter was deferred by the fact that the hatred of the prophet was turned more forcibly in another direction, namely, against the people of Mecca, whose earlier refusal of Islam and whose attitude toward the community appeared to him at Medina as a personal insult which constituted a sufficient cause for war. The Koran, in order to lead its adherents to the belief that side by side with the humane precepts of religion were others commanding religious war ("jihad"), even to the extent of destroying human life, had to incorporate a number of passages enjoining with increasing emphasis the faithful to take up the sword for their faith. The earlier of these passages enunciated only the right of defensive action, but later ones emphasized the duty of taking the offensiveagainst unbelievers-i.e., in the first place, the people of Mecca-until they should accept the new faith or be annihilated. The prophet's policy, steadily pursuing one object, and hesitating at no means to achieve it, soon actualized this new doctrine.>

To be continued ...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 6, 2012 11:33:53 AM PST
Seriously, all you have is hate websites. You neocons hate Western academia.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 6, 2012 6:01:29 AM PST
J. Schwarz says:
I would say hundreds of thousands of lives would be lost. Israel no doubt has a red line that it will not allow any of these Arab countries to cross and no doubt they are watching Syria very carefully.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 6, 2012 1:06:38 AM PST
This is very bad. If Syria does use their WMD's against their own people, the UN and the US will have to respond. If they decide to take out Israel too...say your prayers. Thousands of lives will be lost, and for what? They truly are crazy!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 6, 2012 12:22:12 AM PST
Domenico says:
BS. Down to detail. The very letter!

Posted on Dec 5, 2012 10:48:52 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 6, 2012 5:57:53 AM PST
J. Schwarz says:
Hmm. Syria ready to go down that slippery slope to genocide. So they stockpile bombs filled with Sarin gas on the airport ready to be loaded on the jets, for their own citizens or for the Jews? We are talking about a weapon of mass destruction here people. Assad like Hussein would be stupid enough to try to take out an Israeli city and gain favor from the rest of the Arabs for doing it. Would he do it? Saddam did because that is the way these Islamic nutjobs think. Anyway to kill Jews is perfectly acceptable to an Islamic nutcase. If an attack was launched against Israel by Syria thousands of people would be killed. However the fact of using a weapon of mass destruction on Israel would give the Israelis the right to use a weapon of their own and I would hate to be in Syria if Israel does. Maybe this scenario will teach Obama a lesson for the future. Governments controlled by Islamic fruitcakes have no business with weapons of mass destruction. That is why Obama must make sure Iran does not put us over a barrel like Syria has. We cannot take out the gas or jets because that act by itself would release the gas, so all we can do is threaten. Obama believes these Islamic countries are rational, but they aren't, especially when they brag about worshipping death.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 7:51:02 PM PST
L. King says:
Bookish: Theft, murder, and oppression is a poor way toward long term success.

Yeah, I've noticed what happened to Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Nigeria, Algeria. I'm glad you picked up on that as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 6:55:35 PM PST
"Parroting someone foully citing hate literature is weak indeed."
So is blaming the Jews for everything. You won't even admit the murder's perpetrated on the Jews by the Arabs. Starting a war on the holiest holiday Jews observe, was cowardly and weak.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 6:43:11 PM PST
jeffesq613 says:
Oh, the irony. LOL!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 6:40:58 PM PST
J. Schwarz says:
Just parroting your idiotic posts and showing you how annoying you are.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 6:39:15 PM PST
I am neither one. You aren't very good at reading people.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 6:38:39 PM PST
Parroting someone foully citing hate literature is weak indeed.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 6:37:01 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 5, 2012 6:39:05 PM PST
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Citing hate websites is all you have.

If you were sincere... well why speculate on the impossible.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 6:35:40 PM PST
J. Schwarz says:
Bookless has no idea of the history of Islam. Nor any other historical matter either.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 6:23:24 PM PST
jeffesq613 says:
Bookish: Theft, murder, and oppression is a poor way toward long term success.

Really? Then how do you explain the success of the 7th Century mass murdering terrorizing looter you consider a prophet (pfeh!)?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 5, 2012 6:09:31 PM PST
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