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Can liberal American Jews still support Modern Israel? - the country has changed and is not what you think it is anymore.


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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 7:47:04 AM PST
Skriker says:
"I know. It's so tiresome. This discussion ended, quite awhile ago. But the guy won't stop shrieking."

Wow didn't realize you are the discussion police and determine who can or can't comment. Also nice to see that the insults continue. :P

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 7:52:19 AM PST
Skriker says:
Patrick, it does show that Israel is doing its best to limit casulaties and that is definitely commendable. I don't think it has reached full blown hardcore war between the Israelis and Palestinians, but if the Palestinians don't get their house in order soon it may come to that. I am really at a loss for what the Palestinians gain by continuing on their current path. It just makes no sense.

I agree with the Syrians, and since Syria has nothing to offer the West no one is bothering to "protect those who are seeking a better way of life" and the media just can't be bothered to care. :P

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 10:26:06 AM PST
jeffesq613 says:
You're welcome.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 11:49:46 AM PST
Rachel says:
Jeff:

Are you becoming a " bleeding heart "?

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 12:26:32 PM PST
Susanna says:
Hope springs eternal :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 12:31:35 PM PST
jeffesq613 says:
What do you mean by "becoming"? Isn't it obvious I've always been one?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 12:32:36 PM PST
Susanna says:
Yes.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 12:33:39 PM PST
Rachel says:
Jeff:

Chaver ze lo siman tov!
My dear this is not a good sign :-)
Yet, I don't want to change one iota from you either.

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 12:34:15 PM PST
jeffesq613 says:
:)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 12:35:49 PM PST
Rachel says:
Hi Shoshy:

Please get into my e mail and I want to be sure I have the correct address to send the several book I already ready about our " favorite" ? subject. :-) Lidice and beyond.

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 3:34:05 PM PST
Susanna says:
HI Rachel,

I just sent you an email:)

Hugs,
Shoshy

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2011 6:55:50 PM PST
Rachel says:
Hi Shoshy:

Received and answered. Thank you. :-)

Posted on Dec 1, 2011 9:31:11 AM PST
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truthsetter says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2011 9:36:57 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2011 9:42:21 AM PST
Typical. Israel is taking measures, to defend itself. It's not like they are under seige, or anything, right?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2011 4:07:21 PM PST
Diva says:
Where is the "testimony"??

Posted on Dec 2, 2011 8:15:17 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 2, 2011 8:16:23 AM PST
truthsetter says:
You all need to watch this and I mean ALL of it !!

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/empire/2011/11/2011113091321689627.html

Interesting what the Israeli guest says should be Israel's priority in the second half of the broadcast.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 2, 2011 9:38:34 AM PST
anne says:
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Posted on Dec 2, 2011 11:39:56 AM PST
patrick says:
perhaps he says that the priority should be to close AlJaz.....

Posted on Dec 2, 2011 11:46:26 AM PST
patrick says:
I want to watch this but there is something wrong with their damn player, nothing happens, the screen doesnt 'come alive" with a central play button or anything.
About an Israeli trail journey

http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/2172073731/Trails-From-The-East-Ep-11-Israel

I watched the one the week b4 which was on the Turkey-Syria-jordan (used to be on to Mecca but not any more) railway journey, it was quite a good travelogue ...very colourful.
I did the trip back and forth TA to Ben Gurion on train at least 3 times..

Israeli train probably reminded me a lot of the "Tri-Rail" in South Florida...similiar carriages and system...oh, ok, nowhere near the security of Israeli stations, in fact, none, that I can see, lol..

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 3, 2011 7:30:03 AM PST
JayWhite says:
Darth;
You haven't been taking your medication. (just kidding) . I don't think you believe I am personally responsible for "Israel's PR problem" but people like me who are in touch with reality. The reality facing the Jewish national homeland is the Arabs and especially the trespassers who for PR purposes began referring to themselves as "Palestinians" in 1967, want to kill every Jew in Israel. I know you'll say they only want to "return" to their homes and/or have a binational state. However, the Fakestinian organizations (Hamas and the Fakestine Authority) have in their charters their goal is the elimination of Israel. If there was a binational state would Jews receive the same hospitable treatment Jews received in Iraq, Syria, and Egypt in 1949 when they were evicted from the 2 totally artificial countries and Egypt ,although Jews had resided in these "countries" for thousands of years? After what occurred during WWII , I don't think it is unreasonable to conclude Jews need a country controlled by Jews which would serve as a haven for Jews. Jews have suffered terrible persecution since last Jewish state in the Jewish national homeland in 70 AD. The Germans initially didn't intend on killing the Jews of Europe, but no country in the world would take in more than a small handful of European Jews. So Jews have realized they can never be safe unless they have their own country and no power on earth will return Jews to their former position of having to depend on the "Kindness" of non Jews .

Posted on Dec 3, 2011 6:30:25 PM PST
patrick says:
I think maybe that I was told that these SBS program players wont work beyond Australia, great program if they do..interviews with train passengers on Israeli country roads South to North

http://player.sbs.com.au/programs#/programs_08/fullepisodes/latestepisodes/playlist/Trails-From-The-East-Ep-11-Israel/

Posted on Dec 4, 2011 4:17:32 AM PST
DarthRad says:
I would remind everybody that this thread is NOT about the Palestinians, nor is it meant to be a comparative study between Israel and its Arab neighbors. Finally, I should emphatically add that this is NOT a thread which advocates the elimination of Israel.

The purpose of this thread is simply to address the many changes that have occurred within Israel in the last 20-30 years, changes which appear to be accelerating, changes which are turning the country into a strongly right-wing, less democratic, and more fragmented society with greater restrictions on personal freedoms, especially for Israeli women, Israeli leftists, and non-Jewish Israeli citizens.

If the ultra nationalists of Israel were to have their way, they would most likely expel (or to use their euphemism - "transfer") all the Israeli Arab citizens from Israel and expel the Palestinians from the West Bank ("Judea" and "Samaria" in their words) in order to create a Jewish-only Greater Israel. If the ultra-Orthhodox were to have their way, halacha, or Jewish sharia law, would be imposed upon Israel.

These are not anti-Semitic or anti-Israel opinions. These are hard facts. I have posted numerous articles from mainstream Israeli news sources that say quite clearly that this what is happening in Israel, as these two extremist groups (who are mutually inclusive) increasingly become the dominant political forces in Israel.

The few remaining liberal Israelis decry these changes as a fundamental violation of the democratic, socialist, and humanistic values upon which Israel was founded. The purpose of this thread is to give voice to THIS VIEWPOINT - such changes are harmful to Israel's existence ultimately because it will eventually cause Israel to lose the support of the large Jewish Diaspora who are still largely liberal in their political values.

Israel already has lost the support of many of its former strongest supporters, such as France and Great Britain, and holds onto support of the United States only through an intense lobbying effort that has made non-critical support for Israel a litmus test for any national politician. Long-term, this is not a healthy relationship with Israel's strongest and only remaining ally in the world.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2011 4:50:33 AM PST
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DarthRad says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 4, 2011 6:27:23 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 4, 2011 6:28:28 AM PST
jeffesq613 says:
No, the intent of this thread is not to destroy Israel, just to get as many Jews as possible to stop supporting it and to cheer on all the rest of the enlightened people who no longer support it. But the person who started the thread doesn't wish any harm to the existence of the Jewish state. LOL!
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