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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2012 12:41:49 PM PST
Spyglass says:
Thanks Heavens for Hitler's mistake!

Once someone in Germany published this fictive headline for April 1, 1955:
Under the leadership of the Greatest Supreme Commander of All Times (GroeFaz) Adolf Hitler, the victorious Germany expeditionary army has crossed today the Mississippi!

If Hitler had not made mistakes, the world would have become hell for many more people.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2012 1:28:20 PM PST
Mr. Jumps says:
Because he did 2 before 1, the german army broke its back at stalingrad in 1942. No matter what did, or didnt, happen after Stalingrad 42', Germany was going to lose. It was his fatal error.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 26, 2012 12:22:53 PM PDT
F. Gleaves says:
1. Goering had promised that the Luftwaffe could take care of the BEF, the Royal Navy and the RAF as well during the attempt to evacuate Dunkirk.

The RAF was at a tactical disadvantage fighting over Dunkirk, especially since they still lacked the 100 octane gasoline and three-blade constant-speed propellers that decisively improved both Hurricane and Spitfire performance between the fall of France and the BoB.

It seemed a sound enough decision to wear down the British, give the Panzers the chance to reorganize, and logistics, the infantry and artillery a chance to catch up.

2. Historically, Guderian was repeatedly slowed to wait for fuel and ammunition.

If Guderian had gone straight on to Moscow, Zhukov would have attacked his infantry, artillery and supply lines in the flank from Ukraine with the strongest remaining Soviet army.

Guderian would have been destroyed after running out of fuel and ammunition.

3. Hitler had asked Willy Messerschmidt in 1943 if the Me 262 could carry bombs, and Messerschmidt assured him it could. So Hitler was outraged to learn in the spring of 1944 that the Me 262 still hadn't even been tested with bomb racks, and ordered them to be so equipped before being issued to fighter squadrons.

He intended them to break through Allied air defenses to attack Allied troops and landing ships when the Allied landing took place.

A serious delay in the Me 262 program came when the original production line was largely destroyed in the first air raid on Regensburg in August 1943.

4. Of course Hitler was completely taken in by Patton's phoney army opposite the Pas de Calais, and thinking the Normandy landing a diversion held back his SS Panzer divisions until it was too late for them to wipe out the invasion.

Posted on Mar 26, 2012 1:35:02 PM PDT
"Of course Hitler was completely taken in by Patton's phoney army opposite the Pas de Calais, and thinking the Normandy landing a diversion held back his SS Panzer divisions until it was too late for them to wipe out the invasion."

An absolutely brilliant bit of deception that succeeded beyond anyone's wildest dreams. Hitler was not sure that Normandy was the main invasion thrust even as late as early fall of '44. There is also some evidence that Germany attempted the same/similar kind of trick on the Russians just prior to Kursk... but that it failed because Russian battlefield intel was not all that good. The idea was to convince them that the Nazis had more tanks than they did but because the Russians completely missed the magic show, they were never in danger of being fooled.

No matter. That was one helluva tank battle...

Posted on Mar 26, 2012 1:39:29 PM PDT
Killing jews.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 26, 2012 2:10:26 PM PDT
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Mikeber says:
Jeff Marzano:
"There was no guarantee that these resources would continue to be forthcoming in the future so Germany decided to invade them"
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The 2 parts of your sentence are unrelated and the word "so" does not make sense, unless you are Hitler, of course.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 26, 2012 3:20:56 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Mikeber says:

["There was no guarantee that these resources would continue to be forthcoming in the future so Germany decided to invade them"
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The 2 parts of your sentence are unrelated and the word "so" does not make sense, unless you are Hitler, of course.]

I don't see what doesn't make sense about it.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 26, 2012 6:25:10 PM PDT
F. Gleaves says:
Hitler didn't expect Chamberlain and France to go to war over Poland, since there had been no war to defend Czechoslovakia when Hitler was in a much weaker position.

The Germans and Mussolini were preparing for war in 1943. Stalin seems to have been preparing on the same time schedule.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 26, 2012 6:30:12 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 27, 2012 4:10:26 AM PDT
F. Gleaves says:
Large quantities of grain and other raw materials came from the Soviet Union.
30% of the nickel in the high-grade steel needed for German tanks, guns and U-Boats came from the Petsamo mines in north Finland, claimed by the Soviets.
50% of Germany's oil in 1940 and '41 was supplied by Rumania.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 1939 meant that Hitler was freed from his greatest fear, the two-front war which he blamed for Germany's defeat in World War I.

In fact the French weren't planning to attack before 1941, while Poland would be defeated within a few weeks.

The pact also guaranteed Germany the food and raw materials which the British blockade had denied Germany in WWI.

But even as German troops were overrunning France, Stalin seized Bessarabia from the Rumanians and placed troops on the north shore and islands at the mouth of the Danube where they could control barge traffic up the Danube and threatened the Rumanian oilfields.

When France collapsed so quickly, Stalin panicked and exclaimed to his Generals "Now Hitler will eat us alive!". But when Churchill showed Britain would fight on, Stalin calmed down and began work on a new fortified line on the border with German-occupied territory.

Stalin remained confident that Hitler would never let Germany get into a two-front war. And as long as Churchill hoped for a war between Germany and the Soviet Union, he wouldn't make peace with Hitler. So Germany would have to invade Britain before Hitler would turn on Stalin.

Against the advice of Stalin's Chief-of-Staff Shaposhnikov, the defenses and troop deployments of the new fortified line were to be right on the border instead of using the nearly complete defenses of the old border zone to create a defense in depth.

The new dispositions were better suited to launching an attack than for defense.

As was the construction of a large number of airfields very close to the border.

Churchill's refusal to come to terms convinced Hitler that the British hoped that Stalin would enter the war on their side. Since the German Staff estimated they could destroy the Soviet Army within two or three months, Hitler thought he could eliminate the Soviets as a useful ally to Britain before Britain became a serious threat. He then expected Britain to make peace.

The Germans' confidence was based on ignorance of the true size of the Red Army, and of Stalin's ability to relocate entire defense plants to new factories in the Urals.

However, even as his Army made plans for Barbarossa Hitler offered Stalin (via a meeting with Molotov in Berlin November 1940) the opportunity to join the Axis in dismembering the British Empire, if Stalin would do nothing to threaten the German access to the Rumanian oil and the Petsamo mines during the war with Britain.

Stalin insisted he could do as he pleased since these were already in his sphere of influence, and with Molotov's departure Hitler ordered Barbarossa to proceed.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 26, 2012 6:36:45 PM PDT
thomas

false premises

but the biggest mistake was hitler micromanaging all decisions
and not letting the generals do their job right

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 26, 2012 6:55:37 PM PDT
Rachel says:
Suetonius:

The biggest Hitler's mistake was not to have killed himself after the "suicide" of Geli Raubal. Imagine a no future for him. The way the pistol was found near Geli doesn't say suicide. We didn't have the forensics we have today,but that would be my best shot ( intended pun) at his mistakes.

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 26, 2012 6:57:31 PM PDT
Rachel says:
J. Schwarz:

I am glad you did,too!

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 26, 2012 7:02:11 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Rachel says:

[The biggest Hitler's mistake was not to have killed himself after the "suicide" of Geli Raubal.]

Hitler was sexually malformed I think. The Russians discovered this when they autopsied his remains.

How fortunate for history that enough of the body remained to allow them to make this shocking discovery. It explains so much about Hitler.

The deformity lead him to engage in what they all "Hitler's Perversion".

Geli would have been aware of his strange sexual practices. Maybe she was getting ready to tell everyone.

Jeff Marzano

The Mind of Adolf Hitler - The Secret Wartime Report

Posted on Mar 26, 2012 7:27:37 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 26, 2012 7:29:05 PM PDT
Rachel says:
Jeff:
In the local newspaper in my town there was a small notice that apparently Hitler did sire a child.
Birmingham England: Sn English WORLD WAR II veteran supports the sensational claims that AH fathered a secret son with a sixteen year old French girl. The Family of former Royal Engineer Leonard Wilkes claims the small notebook contains the earliest written records of Jean -Marie Loret. he claimed to be Hitler's son.

Wilkes landed on the Normandy beaches on D Day in June 1944 and a few minutes later the recorded entry : an interesting thing day today. Visited toe house where Hitler stayed as a corporal in the LAST war.,saw the woman who had a baby by him and he told us that the baby a son,was now fighting on the French side against the Germans.

French magazine Le Point last moth claimed that while Hitler never acknowledged this son he sent monies to Charlotte Lobjoie, the mother of Jean -Marie Loret.

What do you say to this?

His sexual activities or lack of them, directed or misdirected are in reality not a serious historical impact. It is AH himself and the crucial moment in history that allowed him to be elevated to Chancellor. Had this never happened he would be remembered as much as Drexler the real founder of the workers party that Hitler later converted into the Nazi party. I honestly do not care about his sexual activities, but that there was a son is an important detail.

I am sure that any relatives ( cousins, whatever) of Hitler must have changed their name after the Second World war? Wouldn't they?

Hitler was capable of deceit and manipulation, plus a mesmerizing way of talking to the public-even if trained to do so. He used to screech. Singers who do that end up with vocal cord problems, i wonder if he also got granulomas in his vocal cords from all his shouting. If you want to hear his speeches you must rewind the tape again to catch all his words.

I agree with Susanna that this type of forum attracts Neo- Nazis, sadly so. It can't be a historical forum. Leslie Funk is witness of the nice forum we accomplished until it was closed. All of us became friends and the lurkers just lurked and left because we haed to cite and discuss, not hurl stuff like they do.

As for Geli, yes she was aware of her uncle's weird behavior. Apparently there is the story that Geli liked Maurice, Hitler's driver and The latter was not going to allow this to flourish. He wanted total control over her.

So I repeat, he should have committed suicide then! :-)

Good to hear from you. The news mentioned above came out on Wednesday March 14, 2012.

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 26, 2012 8:44:40 PM PDT
F. Gleaves says:
"but the biggest mistake was hitler micromanaging all decisions
and not letting the generals do their job right "

Hitler's 'standfast' order in December 1941 probably saved the German infantry and artillery from rout and destruction by the Soviet Winter Offensive. But that just convinced Hitler that he knew more than his Generals, and he was wrong pretty consistently afterwards.

At El Alamein Rommel just wanted to withdraw 50 miles so Montgomery would have to give up his prepared positions and advance to fight Rommel where he could get around Montgomery's flank, but Hitler wouldn't hear of it and Rommel wound up being chased all the way to Tunisia.

Holding Stalingrad was essential to exploiting the oilfields around Baku, but refusing General Paulus the chance to break out while he could cost Hitler the troops needed to make such exploitation possible.

By that time Hitler should have realized the worth of Goering's guarantee that he could supply Paulus using the Luftwaffe.

Posted on Mar 26, 2012 9:19:00 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 26, 2012 9:20:09 PM PDT
ReaderOne says:
Adolph Hitler made many mistakes.
Armchair analysis like hindsight is of course 20/20.

One mistake (already mentioned) was invading Russia and thereby fighting on two fronts.

Second, instigating the wrath of the American people.

Third, as a micro-manager, added to setting his generals and armed-services against each other, he had no way to compensate for the rivalries that ensued or the infighting that occurred. His fighting force spent time battling each other rather than the allies.

Forth, he failed to utilize a hidden workforce. Rather than using slave labor, he had a nation of women he might have emplyed as aircraft manufaturers or tank makers. Rosie the riveter made America a force that had to be reckoned with.
Slave labor, while extremely cheap, allowed for sabotage in his many weapons factories. Good for the allies but bad for Germany.

Fifth, Adolph had no confidence in his experienced military leaders or "statesmen". See # 3.

The Russia thing was probably the worst mistake though. It overtaxed his resources and like Napolean, he forgot about the Siberian winter and the thaw.

Of course that holocaust thing - that was more than a "mistake".
It was an abomonation aginst mankind.
Not as bad as the Communist purges in Russia that led to about 20 Million deaths of Christians but overall religiously motivated killings are pretty bad. After all, genocide is wrong on every level.
(Unless you are one of those people who like being one of the worst mass murderers in history.)

One must also consider the war usage of human resources and non-renewable resources.
The wasteful use of petroleum alone depleted an amazing amount of crude oil and in case of things like rubber, the war used hundreds of thousands of tonnes of rubber sap from Rain Forest trees for vehicle tires, assembly line belts, aircraft parts, truck parts. War is pure waste.

That's just pure opinion though - there are lots more things Chancellor Hitler did that were "mistakes" and Fuhrer Hitler made even more.

Posted on Mar 27, 2012 5:31:07 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 27, 2012 5:51:14 AM PDT
F. Gleaves says:
"The Russia thing was probably the worst mistake though. It overtaxed his resources and like Napolean, he forgot about the Siberian winter and the thaw."

No, he didn't forget about the Russian (not Siberian!) winter. The Germans (and pretty much everyone else, even the US military) though it would be all over with the destruction of the Red Army by October.

Stalin couldn't believe anyone could be so ignorant as to think his mighty Soviet Union could be crushed in a few months.

And his own disaster in the Winter War with Finland had shown the world that special fuel, lubricants and winter clothing were absolutely necessary for vehicles, weapons and men to operate and fight in -40 degree temperatures.

Stalin's military intelligence network told him the Germans were Not making any of the necessary preparations for winter warfare in Russia.

Since Hitler had never wavered from placing blame for Germany's defeat in World War I on the disastrous mistake of fighting a two-front war, Stalin unhesitatingly accepted Hitler's explanation that his troop buildup in occupied Poland was simply to keep them out of reach of the RAF until he was ready to launch Sea Lion '41.

Hitler had assured Stalin that he would begin drawing down his troops on the Soviet border by the end of June.

Stalin suspected that Hitler might be applying psychological pressure on him prior to making some added demands for fuel and grain before launching his attack on Britain, and some anti-Hitler aristocratic officers might create provocations in an attempt to save Britain by starting a war with the Soviet Union, but he couldn't believe Hitler would start a two-front war without even making preparations to fight in the Russian winter.

So while the mobilization of the Red Army was proceeding at an accelerating speed and hundreds of trainloads of troops, artillery and ammunition were already headed for the border regions to be ready to take advantage of the German drawdown for the invasion of Britain, Stalin thought he only had to prevent his troops from responding to the provocations of some anti-Hitler aristocratic German officers.

Which is why it took Stalin about a week to accept that Hitler had actually ordered a full-blown invasion of the Soviet Union.

It was the lack of any preparation for winter warfare which allowed Stalin to be so completely taken by surprise, with his forces in such exposed and vulnerable positions with orders not to react to an attack.

Details of the German disinformation campaign can be found in "What Stalin Knew" by David E. Murphy, former CIA Chief of Soviet Operations and before that CIA Station Chief in Berlin in the 1950's.

CIA consultant Barton Whaley made a thorough study of the disinformation campaign in "Codeword BARBAROSSA" published in 1973.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2012 6:43:18 AM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Rachel says:

[What do you say to this ?]

I don't know. I haven't looked into it. Stories like that need to be scrutinized carefully.

The sexual issue influenced Hitler in a deep way I think.

His whole philosophy was based on 'survival of the fittest'.

But he himself was not a perfect physical person.

The Nazis sure were a weird bunch.

You had Hitler with the sexual issues, drug addiction, master race ideas.

Then there was Himmler with his intense interest in the occult.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2012 12:20:47 PM PDT
Joe Anthony says:
@Jeff Marzano:

I think that Hitler's anger stemmed from a deep hatred of his father. At least, this is what I gathered from reading Hitler's autobiography (which I only know in translation). In this regard, I believe that Hitler's "mistake" was not giving himself a chance to recognize and deal with the resentment and hatred he had towards his own father. He probably should have stayed an artist or a soldier. He wasn't a bad soldier and he wasn't bad as an amateur artist.

It's interesting that this "hatred for the father" was a personality trait that Hitler shared with the other infamous mass muderer of his times, Josef Stalin, as well as, Mao Zedong.

Even so, I believe that World War II probably would have happened with or without Hitler. There were too many things going on in Europe such as German's feelings of resentment after losing World War I; ineffectiveness of the League of Nations; fascist movements in other parts of Europe and the communist movement within Germany...World War II might have looked very different without Hitler, but it still seems to me like a train wreck waiting to happen.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2012 1:40:37 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Joe Anthony says:

[It's interesting that this "hatred for the father" was a personality trait that Hitler shared with the other infamous mass muderer of his times, Josef Stalin, as well as, Mao Zedong.]

For both Hitler and Stalin didn't their fathers beat the up severely almost to the point of death ?

I would hate someone who did that to me also.

I just watched an episode of the TV show Intervention about this young girl who was addicted to pain killers and was actually injecting them intravenously.

When she was a kid her father would smash her across the face for chewing gum or potato chips too loud. One day he grabbed her hands and broke her fingers.

Child abuse is the cause of quite a few of the addiction stories on that TV show.

The human mind can only take so much.

Hitler was surrounded by sadness and death for his entire life I guess.

They rounded up the conspirators who had tried to blow Hitler up with the briefcase bomb and hung them using piano wire which I guess isn't too much fun.

Hitler enjoyed watching the movies of these executions.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2012 1:59:19 PM PDT
Joe Anthony says:
@Jeff Marzano:

As for Hitler, I'm not so sure what his home life was like with his father. A reading of Hitler's autobiography indicates a good deal of tension and it wasn't uncommon for fathers to use corporal punishment on children in the days of Hitler's youth. We can only guess, as so much of Hitler's childhood remains a mystery.

Stalin is another story. Biographers identify Stalin's family as incredibly poor and his father as alcoholic and abusive to both Stalin and the mother. Again, we're talking about poor, backward corners of the world where there was no such as Child Protective Services, Mr. Rogers or Dr. Spock...heavy drinking and beating up women and children was probably the norm in many of these types of communties.

Who knows if young Hitler also witnessed his mother recieving a good walloping or two from his dear old dad?

Photographs of Hitler's mother and father seem to represent a rather sad young woman and rather stern older man.

Posted on Mar 27, 2012 3:06:53 PM PDT
Rachel says:
Joe Anthony and Jeff Marzano;

I found interesting points in both of your discussion. Yes, violence in the home begets violence later. Yet we can't justify the behavior of leadership in the weird ways these leaders went about because of violence in the home. There are many people who have been mistreated and had horrid childhoods, then they grow and say the buck stops here and the do not hit their children and the chain of violence gets broken.

We now know more of the psychological makeup of human being to forgive, but not forget what was done to a person in childhood. Hitler had a lot of issues and he was never in Psychotherapy that is for sure. It wasn't common then. So he had no insight as to what made him angry that is a retrospective stance. That doesn't count for historical analysis. Similar to his weird sexual behavior. What counts are his deeds as an adult responsible for himself.

Yes, his mother Klara also received the high hand of the father. Actually, they were relatives and there is a lot of couples in that family going back were incest was the norm. Hitler's father original name was Schikelgruber, until his father recognized him later in life and then it became Heidler and then Hitler. Klara had no recourse but to love Adolf to death literally,she pampered him. So on the one hand violence and on the one hand no discipline because of the father's over disciplining. This is biography. Yes, she was a very unhappy woman but kind and generous to her son. This son went away from Linz to a seminary and failed on his goal to become a priest. Since he had awful grades he was not allowed to graduate. Interesting this last because this might have been a question in accepting in the Academy of painting. True he had an ability to paint, Yet, he failed to passed three dimensional painting and the painting of humans. of all his paintings are landscapes. Some have become valuable,even though he sold them just for subsistence money. Then he fought with the guy who sold his paintings because according to Adolf the man did not give him all the money he received of his paintings.

As far as his being a good soldier. I would argue that this is controversial also. Hitler was a courrier that is the man who takes news from one front to the other, yes he did this in a favorable manner. Yet, he was not in the front and he was not promoted. The latter is an important question why was he not promoted? Hitler apparently did not want to be promoted. He preferred the chums he had in the war. Yet, he did get a medal for being a good courrier.

After the war, the socialist government with the army- fearing the Communist most- hired him to be a spy for Communist organizations, that is in short how he met the Drexler organization. instead of spying he joined and tumbled Drexler of his leadership and the rest is history.

Again, I repeat, The Weimar republic worked in many ways, but not in others specially politically. Thus there were crises after crises in the goverment. See, too, that the Weimar Constitution was copied from the American one, yet it had an added article#48 which is against disturbances to the public health of the Republic. In such an instance, all basic Human Rights would be suspended. After the Reichstag's fire Hitler convinced Hindenburg to suspend these rights via article 48. Then came the reorganization of all businesses etc,......

Hitler, had a plan and that is to make Greater Germany, the one that Bismarck thought it was not possible and therefore chose Klein Deustchland. The period was a very ethno- nationalistic meaning we accept as citizens those that are the majority of each country. Thus, the Poles hated anyone who was not Roman Catholic in Reborn Poland 1919. So did other countries and with Hitler it becomes a serious issue in Germany. NO foreigners- even if their families have lived hundred of years there. Hitler made use of that to get the Sudeten Germans and all the other Germans in Poland and its environs and Austria, of course, which Bismarck had said no. I have read that many Sudeten Germans did not want to move from the area of their birth, but they were promised lots of things to move and so they did come back to the Heimat= homeland.

It is also true that perhaps, due to the way the Versailles treaty - made in Paris signed in Versailles- did what was similar to the Congress of Vienna, balance of power and the situation was truly not the same. With all the migrations- volitionally or forced between the two wars- every country had minorities and this was against what Wilson thought self determination was. So yes, the inter-war period was a mess in Central Europe, The Bolshevik Revolution is the elephant in the living room ( because everybody was afraid of the Communist and a take over that they even made communist parties themselves to not have a revolution like Russia). In those conditions, quite probable that the Second World War would have happened.

Yet, that is a speculation not allowed to historians. We don't work with what if though it is lots of fun to do so and there are books doing that. A serious historian goes on with documentation and the fact is Hitler IS a fact, and we can't take him out of the equation at all. OH! what a disgrace of a human being he was, and yet, when I was In Austria, I was told clearly that there are people who still have his photograph hanging in the walls of certain houses. He is still admired. This is confusing for me Socialists, Communists, enemies of the state, priests ( Kolbe), also Protestant ministers, German Blacks( these kids came from German mothers and Algerian fathers whom the French had stationed in the Ruhr), Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Homosexuals.

Hitler wanted an Aryan model of a human for the future of Germany. Not he or many of his henchmen were the type except Heydrich who was truly handsome. Yet, he got his true desserts too. As Hitler did in the end with his own hand, I am sad he killed Blondie-his dog; the suicide, I insist should have been earlier with Geli.

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2012 3:52:32 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Joe Anthony says:

[Photographs of Hitler's mother and father seem to represent a rather sad young woman and rather stern older man.]

Hitler idolized his mother and was devastated when she died.

It's interesting sometimes even with someone like Hitler you see those rare glimpses of a normal human being.

Hitler had a dog as a pet when he served in World War I but somebody killed the dog and this bothered him a lot.

Later he had the German shepherd Blondie. Sadly though he tested the cyanide on Blondie first in the bunker to make sure Himmler didn't give him bad poison.

I thought I read that Hitler's father was also a drinker and abusive and he beat up the young Adolf mercilessly almost to the point of death.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2012 3:59:47 PM PDT
Jeff Marzano says:
Rachel says:

[I found interesting points in both of your discussion.]

Yes Hitler is a fascinating study in psychology I guess.

This book here talks about the relationship between the Nazis and the occult:

The Philosopher's Stone: Alchemy and the Secret Research for Exotic Matter

They were searching through ancient manuscripts to try to rediscover the lost technologies of Atlantis and other ancient cultures and use them to create super weapons. They believed in the Atlantean super race and twisted this idea around.

As far as Hitler's military service during WW I, I heard it was good. There were no safe places in the trenches. He got hit by mustard gas and was almost blinded. He recovered his eye sight but realized he would never be an artist.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 27, 2012 4:26:52 PM PDT
Rachel says:
Jeff:

In the hospital were he was recovering of his blindness. May be he should not have recovered, a good deed to the world!

That is when he promised himself that he would make Germany great and the slogan that Jerws are our misfortune was there since Trietschke- Hitler borrowed it.

There are many psychological studies of Hitler and his upbringing, interesting but the impact, I insist, is his malignant deeds. If we just lean on his childhood we then serve Hitler well. He is NOT responsible because of his upbringing? That is no a fair way of looking at history.

Oh ! Yes, there were safe places where the Germans were, he was sent out when a message was necessary, only then. Bad luck that he got hit in one of them with mustard gas The same guy that helped perfection this gas is the same chemist that made possible the Zyklon gas. It was made by a company made Degussa which was a subsidiary of IG Farben. When his wife learned what he was doing regarding the First World War, she killed herself in a party.

It was not sufficient for him that his wife died that way and he continued his work. He was a good German and wanted Germany to win. It didn't. Then the Zyklon was a good pesticide, he didn't know that then the Nazis will use this as way to kill people. It is called B, because there was an A before that. Since i am nota chemist, I have no idea what is the difference between both: a and B. Point being that the Nazis requested from Degussa that the company should take away the odor that warns people not to get get near or smell this. Degussa complied and that compliance makes the company complicit of the fact that it was used to kill a lot of people in tandem. Himmler visited the facilities at Auschwitz.
When the gas was made in the van from carbon dioxide directed to the unit of the van itself, Himmler almost fainted. Hence, he liked better Zyklon B, in his view it was " cleaner."

I have not read the book that you suggest, but it sounds interesting trivia to have about the Nazis. I will read it and then tell you what I think. :-)

I didn't know that Hitler had a dog before in the trenches. Where did you find this fact?
Rachel
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