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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 6, 2013 5:47:37 PM PST
bob397103 says:
>>But you have the find that is within each religion.<<

Been drinking?

Posted on Mar 6, 2013 5:21:52 PM PST
Lientje says:
Bob: "since none of islam's claims regarding the nature of life and the afterlife are anything but claptrap."

I would say that most religions sound like claptrap. But you have the find that is within each religion. Sometimes that isn't easy.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 2, 2013 10:29:14 PM PST
bob397103 says:
It is the individual's right to choose. God doesn't care what anyone chooses to believe, even if someone chooses atheism. Choosing atheism is no less honest than choosing a religion and remaining ignorant of the nature of God, which is the way you have gone. It makes you feel important to belong to an institution, but you should probably be IN an institution since none of islam's claims regarding the nature of life and the afterlife are anything but claptrap.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 2, 2013 2:02:06 PM PST
or Pickthall
Lo! the worst of beasts in God's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe.

Where do you stand exactly?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 2, 2013 6:45:39 AM PST
Lientje says:
Bookish: "Without balance, you have petty legalism (ours are "men", others are animal) and the libertine. This is even in Islam, with stern fundamentalists and goofy sufis. "

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And it is certainly prevalent in Christian fundamentalists also. Sometimes it appears that the only time
the actually acknowledge Jesus in their lives is when they are bragging about their religiosity or
it is one of the Christian holidays. The rest of the time they appear to telling everyone else how awful
they are, in how many ways they break the law, and that if they don't repent they are going to hell.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2013 10:50:11 PM PST
bob397103 says:
>>Without balance, you have petty legalism (ours are "men", others are animal)<<

"To Allah, there are no animals viler than those who do not believe and remain unbelievers" (Sura 8:55)

There you go, Boorish. You just called islam "petty legalism".

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2013 1:43:01 PM PST
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\\The fundamentalists get it wrong, as do you - they confuse the Message and worship the Messenger instead.\\

No it is YOU that worships the messenger, quite literally!

And you have the balance between the message of Moses (strict, as required to survive) and Jesus (love and mercy, the option for the circumstance). You can see that tension in your won tradition, between law and faith alone -- in the OLD Testament and the NEW Testament.

Without balance, you have petty legalism (ours are "men", others are animal) and the libertine. This is even in Islam, with stern fundamentalists and goofy sufis.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2013 6:09:00 PM PST
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L. King says:
True. On one hand you have Moses representing freedom, balanced by Muhammad representing slavery. Jesus represents charity and peace vs Muhammad, esp in the section of the Quran known as Al Anfal, representing looting, rape and distribution of the spoils and women to his merry men.

So yes, in that sense, the Prophet (pbuh) balances Moses and Jesus. A kind and caring person would tip that balance in favour of the other two.

Later interpreters of Islam, the Mutawalis for example, would do just that. They valued itjihad (reason) over silly arguments over the Sunna of the Prophet, many of them based on fabricated self serving Hadiths. Others (Shiites) failed by blinding themselves over the issue of rightful succession.

The fundamentalists get it wrong, as do you - they confuse the Message and worship the Messenger instead.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 27, 2013 8:43:34 PM PST
The Prophet Muhammad is a balance between Moses and Jesus.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 27, 2013 6:36:59 PM PST
L. King says:
It was the Emperor Constantine who married Christianity to the Roman Empire. Prior to that one had the notion of separation of Church and State, ie: "Render unto Caesar...". Constantine establishes the transformation of Christianity from a movement to an organization with political heft. IMV it was the Roman heritage of Christianity that distorted the original message.

Both Christianity and Islam are mimetic religions that urge their followers behave in the same manner as their founders. For a Christian this means one should ask the question "What would Jesus (pbuh) do?". Jesus led an exemplary life of charity preaching kindness to others.

Muslims follow suit and, as a model for acceptable behaviour, ask the question "What would Mohammed (pbuh) do?".

Unfortunately, unlike Jesus, Mohammed was a warlord.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 27, 2013 3:44:30 PM PST
\\The Roman Empire was not the founder of Christianity.\\

Jesus may be revered but there are very few Christians who follow his actual words.

Christians seem to follow Paul more, and characters like our old VP, Dick Vader.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 26, 2013 1:03:28 PM PST
*The Roman Empire was not the founder of Christianity. Jesus Christ was.
You silly.

The point is to look and compare the religions and give a baseline to judge how they are distored. I also include in the body count of Budah which is about the same as Jesus.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 8:18:00 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 8:17:23 PM PST
bob397103 says:
>>You do know that if the State takes your
life it is not considered to be murder, don't you?<<

So when Stalin ordered the killing of tens of millions of Russians, it wasn't murder? What was it?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 7:54:52 PM PST
Lientje says:
Bob: Has anyone called you a broken record before?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 7:29:53 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 7:23:54 PM PST
bob397103 says:
>>Couldn't you have at least waited a post or two before writing this embarrassing response.<<

If the truth is so embarrassing for you, then you shouldn't be here. You shouldn't be here in any case.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 7:21:45 PM PST
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bob397103 says:
>>...I'll bet anything that it is something in their own psyche that is the problem
not the religion. <<

Of course. How could it possibly have anything to with their religion which teaches them to hate and kill innocent people who they just don't like.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 10:37:07 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 10:35:57 AM PST
Lientje says:
Bob: You do know that "murder" is a legal term, don't you? You do know that if the State takes your
life it is not considered to be murder, don't you?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 10:29:20 AM PST
Lientje says:
böb says:
>>Just as you enjoy hanging terrorism around the neck of every Muslim<< Who does that? That looks like an ignorant claim to me

then from Bob:

"The koran dehumanizes all non-muslims. The koran is full of hate speech for all non-muslims. islam is a violent ideology. It is a psychopathic ideology."

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Couldn't you have at least waited a post or two before writing this embarrassing response.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 10:26:58 AM PST
Lientje says:
Joe Anthony: BRAVO

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 10:24:49 AM PST
Lientje says:
Domenico: See my post just above this one, and apply the same answer.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 10:24:08 AM PST
Lientje says:
Bob: "Muslims blow up their fellow Muslims and Christians based purely on religious differences."

I'm not buying that for a minute. There are those who do blow up others, and they may even say that
it is for religious reasons, but I'll bet anything that it is something in their own psyche that is the problem
not the religion.

On the local front, I think of i skinheads and the KKK. They may call themselves Christians but they are
NOT following Christian principles.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 25, 2013 10:20:39 AM PST
Lientje says:
Joe Anthony: Oh gosh, I wish you would hang around for awhile.
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