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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 10, 2009 7:04:34 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 10, 2009 7:37:47 AM PST
Suet says:
"marxsucks" ...
Yes, that was from another thread where I was showing a guy that you can post using a name even if other people are using it.

Do you remember about nine months ago when you insisted that was impossible, and I proved it was possible by posting as Isabella, the Chic-Geek?

Couldn't BS that, could you? :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 10, 2009 10:27:17 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 11, 2009 5:43:56 AM PST
Suet says:
Izzie says: < No, I don't remember that. >

I think you said they must have changed the rules since you tried it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 11, 2009 10:01:01 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 11, 2009 10:01:47 AM PST
Rachel says:
Suetonius:

NO I think she wants to rewrite the Gospels. That was the kerfuffle. Now she want to rewrite linguistics.

As it is she continues insulting.

G-d forbid she finds minds superior to her intellect. If that happens, Her majesty then throws a tantrum.

As for my dissertation she will never be the judge of it. SO I am not one bit W O R R I ED about her dimwit opinions in this and other subjects.

Her color? Vivid green of jealousy.

I read all your posts and I am in agreement with you definitions. This queen is a know it all. By now you have a lesson not to have to discuss with her ANY subject. She sticks her head in the sand and stays there stubbornly so.

Rachel :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 11, 2009 4:47:31 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 11, 2009 5:01:32 PM PST
Suet says:
Are you going to break it to the philologists, Izzie? They don't know that.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 11, 2009 5:20:03 PM PST
Suet says:
Neither do the lexicographers.

Low German
n.
1. The German dialects of northern Germany. Also called Plattdeutsch.
2. The continental West Germanic languages except High German.

[Translation of German Niederdeutsch : nieder, low (from the lowland terrain of northern Germany) + Deutsch, German.]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Low+German

Posted on Dec 11, 2009 5:20:26 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 11, 2009 5:33:50 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 11, 2009 5:40:56 PM PST
Suet says:
The cineastes don't know it's extinct either:

Low German

Your IMDb guide to Low German language movies.

http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Languages/LowGerman/

Boy, are they in for a disappointment!
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How to Learn Low German

If you go to Northern Germany or the Northeast Netherlands, you are likely to hear Low German spoken.
Etc.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5117620_learn-low-german.html

Well, I'm not going to bother if it's extinct!

Posted on Dec 11, 2009 5:58:40 PM PST
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Posted on Dec 11, 2009 5:58:51 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 11, 2009 6:15:38 PM PST
Suet says:
Anyway, eastern Low German (Plautdeutsch) was the official language of Prussia until the 16th century (or it could be the early 17th, not sure about that). This is the point I originally made.
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I think I got it now! "Modern Platt" is something different but with the same name?

Posted on Dec 11, 2009 7:02:35 PM PST
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Posted on Dec 12, 2009 5:16:59 PM PST
Rachel says:
Suetonius:

I told you so! Stop banging your head against a thick wall.......

My "handle" is not Rachel, it is truly my second name.

Plus green is the color of envy.

Moreover, it is a waste of time.

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2009 12:44:21 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2009 12:55:16 AM PST
rebelinblue says:
hi isabella the chic-geek, calling someone a prussian not akin to calling him a fascist more a highly disciplined militarist blindly following orders in a very efficent way and i once worked with a german who originated from koenigsberg now kaliningrad and he told me there were still people in what was prussia who want the old eastern lands back,and lets not forget the prussians did save old nosey at waterloo from a certain corsican militarist so its not all bad being a prussian.

Posted on Dec 15, 2009 8:53:15 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2009 8:58:08 AM PST
Boomy says:
Prussian is a word that is undefinable now, almost. It's like the word Socialist, in America now (this has been discussed in the Politics forum). Prussian (the word) is less known to Americans, but to russians and europeans it conjures up strong images and fear. The question in the OP shouldn't have been "Are the Prussians gone for good?" it should have been "will the Germans get their Prussian land back?" (at least how I have understood this thread so far, minus the sidetrack about plattdeutsch, as interesting as that was). In my opinion the germans will get their prussian land back when Poland fully joins the EU (resolves movement issues) and the euro becomes their currency.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2009 11:36:05 AM PST
seeker says:
I doubt if the Poles will give up about half of their (present) country.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2009 3:30:33 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2009 7:26:46 PM PST
Rachel says:
Observer:

Of course, Poland will not give away Upper Silesia, a name which is even less know than Prussian- except as in the color Prussian blue. This color is still used for painting walls,female sweaters and linen.

Upper Silesia still has its adherents and you can find them in the internet claiming cession. Slaska organizations. There was even a personal petition of cession to the International Court, rejected already.

In the interwar years the Nazis in the area were a fifth column. I don't blame Poland for not wanting to give up one inch. As of 1945, Dmowski's dream became true. Poland is today 98% Polish. He was a true Judeophobe.

That of course, has a longer history and it is incidentally related to the subject at hand.For example. most concentration camps were in Poland. For this we already have a forum.

The Volksdeutsche made a problem for themselves, when they affirmed the agreed with Nazism. Many ended up administering Nazi occupied areas, and in general felt ennobled by Nazism. When the war turned around in favor of the Allies, all Germans -not only those of Upper Silesia- but Czechoslovakia and most Eastern Europe were persona non-grata due to their association with Nazism.

I agree with Herman B though, that with the European Union borderlands have become porous; even those who have joined are not so sure this is so great. Only time will tell if this avoids wars.

I look forward to your answers both of you.

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2009 4:51:36 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2009 5:34:18 PM PST
seeker says:
One should remember that 1000 years ago Germany didn't extend much beyond the Elbe. There were the four Stem Duchies: Bavaria, Swabia, Franconia and Saxony (with a bit east of the Elbe). At least they're ahead on that.

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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2009 7:37:15 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 16, 2009 7:58:46 PM PST
Rachel says:
Hi observer:

Thank you for answering me.

What I was referring when I mentioned porous borderlands is that when you are part of the EU people can travel come in, or settle; then it might happen that that Dmowski's cherished 98% Polish population might become mixed again with minorities.
I do NOT think the Poles would welcome that.

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2009 7:37:19 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2009 7:47:43 PM PST
Boomy says:
observer says:
I doubt if the Poles will give up about half of their (present) country.
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I didn't mean that Germany, the country, would take that land and make it part of Germany. I meant that when Poland fully joins the EU it will be like those lands are again part of United Europe (of which Germany is a big part). Poland technically is still part of the EU, but doesn't use the Euro, and there are discussions about expanding the open border and owning rights of diffrent citizens of certain EU contries (they are worried about Germans and others buying up land in Poland, and the other EU countries are worried about Polish citezens working for cheap labor wages in their countries). That rump state of Russia, Kalinningrad, I have no idea what will happen to that. Maybe in 2025 with Russia on the brink of bankruptcy, Russia will sell it to the EU for 3 Trilion euros. Or heck maybe in 2025 Russia will just join the EU.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2009 7:45:07 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2009 7:46:11 PM PST
Boomy says:
Rachel says,
The Volksdeutsche made a problem for themselves, when they affirmed the agreed with Nazism...
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Heck, the Germans made a problem for themselves when they first went in there and took it from the slavs (stole it), and made themselves overlords of the land (Junkers). The Poles and Lithuanians almost got all the land back after the Battle of Grunewald...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2009 7:47:08 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2009 7:49:10 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2009 7:51:38 PM PST
Boomy says:
Isabella, the Chic-Geek says:
Er, the borders are already open and the Poles are working in Germany as well as other countries. Now, with the recession, many have returned to Poland.
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Isabella,
Do you know can Germans or other EU citizens own land and have property rights in Poland yet? And are the poles working and travelling freely between countries or do the still need a passport or work visa if they work. I know things are changing fast, but like you said maybe with the bad economy these questions will become academic.
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