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Japan surrenders to the US, but not to the Soviet Union.....


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Initial post: Nov 27, 2012 10:14:45 AM PST
briefcandle says:
After two atomic bombs, and firebombing of japanese cities with near impunity the Japanese emperor surrendered to the US in a fairly cryptic broadcast on 15 august 1945. The soviets had only entered the war on 8 august 45 , by agreement at Yalta, within three months of the end of the european war.

The japanese resisted the soviets fanatically in manchuria, korea and in the northern islands beyond 15 august, in fact did not cease major resistance in manchuria till 26 august.

Why did the US fail to continue to prosecute the war against japan while japan bore are arms against its ally? Why didn't nuclear and conventional bombing continue until the japanese surrendered everywhere?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 10:23:15 AM PST
John M. Lane says:
Why did the Soviet Union wait until August 8th to end their separate peace with Imperial Japan? Had they been on the offensive, perhaps Japan would have surrendered before Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed?

Besides, had we continued bombing, despite a surrender from the Emperor himself, we'd have had to invade the Japanese Home Islands and we might still be fighting them. The reason the Emperor took the initiative and addressed his people directly was that elements of his military wanted to continue fighting.

Posted on Nov 27, 2012 10:23:27 AM PST
Debunker says:
" Emperor Hirohito gave a recorded radio address to the Empire on August 15. In the radio address, called the Gyokuon-hôsô ("Jewel Voice Broadcast"), he announced the surrender of the Empire of Japan to the Allies".

The war was over.

Posted on Nov 27, 2012 11:19:46 AM PST
Bubba says:
Aug 15 - Hirohito's radio broadcast announcing acceptance of the terms of the Potsdam Declaration
August 18 - last air combat by Japanese fighters against American reconnaissance bombers
August 28 - American occupation of Japan began.
September 2 - signing of the surrender documents. President Truman declared September 2 to be V-J Day, but noted that "It is not yet the day for the formal proclamation of the end of the war nor of the cessation of hostilities."
Early September, the Soviet Union took the Kuril Islands.
September 12, 1945 - Japanese forces in South East Asia surrendered
April 28, 1952 - Treaty of San Francisco officially ended the state of war between the United States and Japan.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 11:57:04 AM PST
The Soviets weren't our allies in the PTO. They were only allies of convienience in the ETO. The alliance was a one way street. We provided technology, food, intellligence, locomotives, military vehicles and aircraft to the Soviets. In return they treated the crews of the ships carrying those supplies like spies and criminals. They never returned or payed one dollar for the lend-lease supplies they recieved that allowed their national survival. They should have ended hostilities when the Japanese surrendered to the allies, but they continued their effectively unopposed charge through Manchuria and China in a cynical effort to grab control of large portions of the Asian mainland for communism.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 12:36:43 PM PST
Bubba says:
The war wasn't over on August 15; it was the beginning of the end of the war. The Japanese mainland military didn't stop fighting against Americans until August 18, and the Russians didn't stop fighting until early September (the Russians were the aggressor).

Posted on Nov 27, 2012 12:58:39 PM PST
Debunker says:
I think the emporer announcing the ceasation of hostilities was a fairly good reason to stop conventional bombing.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 2:10:16 PM PST
Bubba says:
The US government ordered all hostilities to cease in Asia soon after the broadcast of Hirohito's speech. The cease fire was less orderly on the part of the Japanese, and even as late as August 18, Japanese fighters had attacked American aircraft. Of course there were also Japanese units and individuals that did not receive or did not accept the order to cease fire against the US. Several American POWs being held by the Japanese were murdered following Hirohito's speech.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012 12:24:58 PM PST
briefcandle says:
John M says:
"Why did the Soviet Union wait until August 8th to end their separate peace with Imperial Japan? Had they been on the offensive, perhaps Japan would have surrendered before Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed?"
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Its a little difficult to factor in somebody else's ultra secret weapon in your war plans. When Truman told Stalin that he had a weapon of unusual destructive power at potsdam jul45, it had only been successfully tested a very few days before. When Chiang kai shek signed the potsdam declaration promising japan prompt and utter destruction I don't think he'd been told about it!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012 4:05:32 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
Actually, Stalin knew about the atomic bomb before Truman did, briefcandle. Soviet spies were active in the US and were successful according to the VENONA intercepts and research in the Soviet archives after the Soviet Union's fall.

Posted on Nov 28, 2012 6:59:39 PM PST
The Soviets wanted to grab as much land as they could. It's amazing how much land they conquered in about a month. They would have taken Hokkaido if the U.S. didn't keep them in check. They got as far down as Seoul I read and were forced to retreat north as agreed to at Potsdam.
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