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Were the good old days better?


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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 22, 2012 8:38:16 PM PST
Marcos says:
B.Blankholm,

I love to agree with you, except that I have a challenge for you. For the challenge to truly work well, it must be a blind challenge.

Please tell me a specific day back in the 1960s?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 20, 2012 11:44:12 PM PST
B. Blankholm says:
You must be joking. If you are talking about something as piddly as cell phones, well, probably yes. But if you are talking about life-saving medical care and seat belts in cars and food safety and Nazi's, well NO, things were not better "years ago." We have advanced medical care, civil and human rights, beef w/o E. Coli, I could go on. Technology such as computers, cell phones and iPads have not advanced us as a human race as these things are being used for purposes to better the world. The music was better back in the 60's though!

Posted on Feb 20, 2012 9:06:57 PM PST
1874Sharps says:
My Grandma lived from 1900 till 1998, sharp as a tack till the day she died. (at 95 she still visited the local nursing home to visit "the old folks.") She was a time machine who could talk about WWI like it happened last Tuesday. She told me stories of her grandma telling her stories about seeing Lincoln's funeral train. Near the end of her life I asked her if the "good old days" were really better. She looked like she'd been gut shot. "Oh My God, youngster, I never told you this but you aren't of my blood. We found you abandoned in a basket with a loaf of bread and a blanket. You were 19 years old at the time. The "Gold Old Days?! Believe me in "The Good Old Days" there was nothing but mud and warm beer!"
I never asked anyone that question again.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 16, 2012 6:07:06 PM PST
mP says:
the puritans hated england for allowing other religions, that's why the left to a new land pure of these evil fske christians... that was, my point,..

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 16, 2012 5:22:16 PM PST
What do you mean? The King of England would not allow them to worship as they pleased. Everyone had to attend the church of England or else be persecuted. Same case with the Pilgrims. The first went to Holland, but were later granted permission by the King to go to what they called the New World (they landed in Plymouth, Massachusetts) What history books have you been reading? Are you getting the Pilgrims mixed up with the Puritans, who despised those who didn't worship as they did? Yes, the Puritans went to the New World because they didn't like the way other people were living. They were not religious enough for them. Make a long story short, they obtained a charter from the King and settled Delaware...or was it Conneticut...I don't know which state they settled... but anyway, once they settled whichever state... they persecuted those who didn't believe as they. I don't think this made any sense at all because if you're being persecuted and you complain and leave the place because you're being persecuted for your beliefs, yet you persecute others for their beliefs. The Puritans should've had better sense. I guess they forgot the Golden Rule.

Posted on Feb 15, 2012 4:24:04 AM PST
J. Nelson says:
I think we tend to remember more of the good times than the bad. Also, when we were young we didn't have the responsibilities we have as adults. That's one of the reasons I set -
The Butterfly Conspiracy

in the early 1970's.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 2:48:57 AM PST
mP says:
kc you seem to forget how many dictators the us helps, its no wonder it has so many enemies and needs partners like nato.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 15, 2012 2:44:59 AM PST
mP says:
jrachel the pilgrims did not come for religious freedom, they were actually sick of freedom back at home. They dispised other xians and wanted a home free of those heretics. History is often stranger than fiction...

Posted on Feb 14, 2012 7:12:56 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 14, 2012 7:23:59 PM PST
As a young person, I despise hearing someone say, "Were the good old days better?" or "Nowadays people do so and so and they used to didn't do that..." That's junk to me. I try to be as modern as possible. Nostalgia, go away. Sentimental, go away. Besides, I wasn't there in what people call "the old days." Something else you shouldn't say is that "Times used to be better than this." True, for AMERICA. False, for the other countries. The pilgrims came over here for religious freedom, with a desire to do right. So, if they instilled their morals in their children, their children have children and do likewise, and so forth, America continued to prosper and do right. But then, they started to started to stray away from their moral... As for the other countries? Well, just read your history book. They didn't start out like America. So, you shouldn't say, "Times used to be better than this." Back to the point, Were the good old days better. Yes and no. Yes because perhaps you didn't have to be as cautious. No, because of the technology in those days. Mostly things were primitive. One thing that really angers me was the treatment of women. In some cultures, girls were really not a welcome addition to the family. As soon as they could, the fathers married them off to men. It was a cycle. Have a daughter. Don't give her and education. Instead, she works around the house all day long. Twelve or thirteen, she's married and having children later. I highly disapprove of this vicious cycle. In some places, like Ancient Greece, women couldn't even enter the dining room when her husband and his friends occupied it. They stayed in a sectioned off part of the house, women in ancient Greece did, and the people they saw were usually other female relatives. If that's not stupid and boring I don't know what stupid and boring is. They didn't receive and education, and there was once a Greek women poet who had to sign her poems "Anonymous" because the men didn't allow them to read. Some women secretly learned to read. Not often, though. Then the Greek men, would go and flirt and do some of everything you can think of, (you know how the Greco-Roman culture was with men) while the women stayed in the house and cared for the children, spinning, cooking and cleaning. So boring. I'm glad I didn't live in those "good old days" if you could call those days that. Yes. I like living in the 2000s- technology is the reason.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 20, 2011 9:57:54 PM PST
Marcos,

Both of my children graduated from international schools, and I cannot praise them enough. It is not just the curriculum but the overall atmosphere of TRUE internationalism. The "multi-culturalism" in public schools is a farce and only propaganda for certain ideological purposes which is another topic.

Almost all have the IB curriculum. Are you familiar with that? Also, the families of the students are great - the parents participate and it is a stimulating atmosphere.

We worked at the Vienna International School for a couple of years. There were 81 nationalities there, and none dominated.

As far as ijime in the Japanese schools, it can happen, but they do not necessarily focus on "half" kids. Many, in fact, are quite popular. Here, the soldiers have a choice of putting their kids in the base school or Japanese school, some are pure American and some are half. It really depends on the kids. Some are tormented miserably, but others thrive on it. I have seen this in the same family - one sibling suffering and another loving the same school.

I would never put my kids in a Japanese school, however.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 20, 2011 9:19:28 PM PST
Marcos says:
Not sure yet, I still have time. Since my job requires me to travel, I will have to research schools and locations when the age comes for school enrollment. If I go back to Japan and get a permanent position there, we were thinking of mixing regular Japanese public schools and International private schools. I've heard stories Ijime are terrible with half-Nihonjin children in High School.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 20, 2011 5:49:14 PM PST
Marcos,

Sounds good.

How do you plan on educating your children?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 20, 2011 10:09:46 AM PST
Marcos says:
RightThinking,

I would do both this and vouchers.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 20, 2011 6:27:42 AM PST
Marcos,

"Under my idea, instead I would have indeed allowed children that live around school B to attend school A if their parents cared enough to drive them all the way there. For every child that did that, school B would lose funding, school A would get increased funding."

Yes, either you worded it wrong or I misunderstood. That does not matter. I like that idea. I believe in some states they will allow students to go to a school in another district, but they will not provide transportation. (They do not get funds, however, even though they should.)

How would you respond if someone then said that School B would eventually be left with the dregs, the kids of families who do not care or support the kids? Teacher morale would be low, and there would be fewer funds. How would you respond?

I still would prefer the voucher system......

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 20, 2011 6:13:03 AM PST
Marcos says:
RightThinking,

You misunderstand my idea. Under your idea we had a number of schools, say A, B, C, D. School B was a terrible school, with a lot of crime problems. Then after the new law was passed funds from schools A, C, and D were shifted to B.

Under my idea, instead I would have indeed allowed children that live around school B to attend school A if their parents cared enough to drive them all the way there. For every child that did that, school B would lose funding, school A would get increased funding. Since the parents care enough to take the additional effort to get the child into school A, they are also more than likely going to be a motivating force for them to succeed.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 20, 2011 3:26:15 AM PST
Marcos,

On a lighter note, and to continue with "political incorrectness," you might enjoy these. I have shown the first one to Japanese people, explaining or translating as needed, and so far all have found it funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S6wcELHuLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDMQPfGYTwU

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 20, 2011 2:57:49 AM PST
Jerrie Brock says:
SandyCB

close yes, and of the same age to realize that we are losing something in this day and age. I know my parents ocassionally complained about us talking on the phone to our friends too long, but that probably would have been ten or fifteen minutes tops, and doubtfully much more than once or twice a week. Why? Because we only had one phone, we had a big family, so rather than being self indulged, we had to think of the others who might want to use the phone or receive a call.

Now even a ten year old thinks they're deprived without a cell phone attached to them, complete with music, videos and internet so they do not even have to participate in the world around them. As I think I mentioned, I have seen entire families sitting in a resturant each talking on a phone. I know that going out to dinner is not the occasion it was when we were young, but this to me is just sad. And they blame school bullies for driving their children to despair; maybe if they got off their phone and took away their kids toys, turned off the TV, the game consol, the computer and sat around a dinner table every night, then they could actually talk to see what is going on in the children's lives, before their children decide to take their lives by their own hands.

And what on earth can today's kids find simple pleasure in? They do not seem to be denied anything so how can they know the joy of some special event or gift. And what would it take, a 100 inch big screen in their room? Heaven forbid kids should watch TV or use the computer in the crowded company of a living or family room, even if that space is twice as big and occupied by half as many people. For all the houses have grown in size to what we would have once considered a mansion, they are much emptier than ever before. Filling a house with material goods does not constitute a home.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2011 11:30:52 PM PST
SandyCB says:
I wonder how old you are. I'm 51, and I vividly remember what I used to do before cell phones when I was bored. It's what I still do, even with a cell phone handy: talk to someone. The people next to me in line, the waitress, etc. No people around? A perfect time to read or do a crossword puzzle (keep articles and puzzles in your wallet or purse -- clipped and folded they take little space and they exercise your brain far more than a "what are you doing?" sort of conversation). Although I'd never argue that everything is better now than it used to be, I do think people used to see themselves as part of a community more than they do now.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2011 7:45:13 PM PST
Marcos,

Interesting information.

I can only guess, but I would think that the foreign wives of Japanese men are from Asia. I know this sounds Politically INcorrect, but from what I see, a lot is simply for money and/or citizenship.

I have noticed this with certain Asians (and Russians) using American men for citizenship, and some from Latin America but not as much. I can cite many personal cases. My Chinese friend who is an American citizen met a young Chinese lady from the mainland, and my instincts told me "bad news," but I kept out of it. She married him, got her relatives over, then found a younger man her age. Same oold story.

I never see this with Japanese, of course. In fact, the Japanese seem to want to stay in Japan for the most part. I do not think I have ever seen a Japanese person marry a foreigner for money or citizenship.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2011 7:39:03 PM PST
Lefka,

"I sense some people like other countries better than their one of origin. Big deal: if we can afford it, we'd like to move to Malta after retirement."

Some fantasize about it but will never do it.

Why Malta?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2011 7:36:04 PM PST
Lefkas,

{This is what constitutes the news: atypical presented as typical; then presented as "global threat."}

Unfortunately, yes.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2011 7:34:30 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 19, 2011 7:47:40 PM PST
Marcos,

This can be an example of Rule of Law. I do not know how familiar you are with it, but it is necessary for fairness and true justice, not the obscenity called "social justice" which is fundamentally Rule of Man in which the law (the rules) are changed to achieve specific outcomes.

Real case in Vermont. I do not know all of the precise specifics of the funding, but the overall picture.

People decide to move there. Some parents want to go the towns or counties where the schools are good, but the property values are high, mostly because of that. So, they scrimp and save to move to specific towns or counties. I had my son in one for a short time - Killington. The classes were about 15 kids, and they taught French from grade one. Taking the kids to the mountain to learn skiing was part of the curriculum, and the teachers were paid high.

Then, some do-gooder Leftist types come along and rant about "fairness." They get laws passed, and then a portion of the property taxes must NOW - after many people sacrificed and saved - go to a "central fund" to distribute money to the poorer districts.

That better community is now faced with the following choices:

1. Lower the school budget.

2. Raise already high taxes.

Now, property values drop because of this. The schools lose money or the taxes go up.

All this because people built a community, over generations, of hard-working people who wanted the best for their families and children.

The funds should not be shifted from a rich school to a poor one. Children from a poorer district should not be allowed to go into the better one. It is a perversion of justice. Rule of Law has been undermined.

Posted on Nov 19, 2011 10:15:54 AM PST
Marcos says:
RightThinking,

I made a wrong statement, out of ignorance, regarding Japanese people. According to the National University of Singapore (which I would consider a fairly neutral party WRT this issue), 5% of marriages in Japan included a foreign born spouse (I am included in that statistic, BTW). However I was wrong in thinking that it was mostly foreign Husbands such as myself. Instead the stats show a 4 to 1 number of foreign wives to foreign husbands.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2011 8:50:52 AM PST
Far Lefkas says:
I sense some people like other countries better than their one of origin. Big deal: if we can afford it, we'd like to move to Malta after retirement.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2011 8:48:53 AM PST
Far Lefkas says:
>>>isolated and exceptional cases, but you present this as a typical occurrence.<<<

This is what constitutes the news: atypical presented as typical; then presented as "global threat."
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