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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 6:53:34 AM PDT
John M. Lane says:
You lack wit, Bookish.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 6:53:55 AM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Your hatred blinds you, Bookish.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 6:54:30 AM PDT
John M. Lane says:
You will be digested, Bryan Borich.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 6:58:14 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 7:15:17 AM PDT
John M. Lane says:
That reminds me of an old song, Bryan Borich, but I'll spare you the details.

Posted on Jun 28, 2012 8:46:30 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:
Erev Tov Israel !
(vide video online)

Thursday, June 28, 2012
(Video) Hamas Minister Fathi Hammad, "From this place, I bring you glad tidings ...
28 June '12..

The video below is from footage of a Gaza police academy graduation ceremony, in which Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad delivered an address. The footage aired on Al-Aqsa TV on June 13, 2012.

Published on Jun 25, 2012 by MEMRITVVideos

Adam Kredo at The Washington Free Beacon sums it up quite adequately with the following:

Hammad's remarks, which are routinely echoed by Hamas officials, provide context for the currently stalled peace negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians.

The formulation of a stable new governing coalition in Israel led American leaders and some liberal Jewish groups to demand that Israel return to the bargaining table. A major demand from the Israelis is that the Palestinian government be able to allay security concerns when its own police forces assume solitary control of the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

Hammad's comments, however, indicate that these security forces are being trained to view Israel as a perpetual enemy that must be annihilated.

You think?

Posted on Jun 28, 2012 8:48:50 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:
Surprise! Reuters Incorrect "Correction"
Yarden Frankl..
Honest Reporting/Backspin..
27 June '12..

When I checked my e-mail this morning, I was pleased to see that Reuters responded to one of our readers who contacted them about the issue raised in yesterday's video - namely that the headline of their article accused Israel of breaking a truce with Hamas by responding to a rocket attack.

It does not take expert anaylsis to understand that if Hamas is launching rockets at Israel, there really is no truce that Israel could break with a response.

So as I said, I was pleased that one of our readers had pointed out their error and assumed that they had fixed the mistake - no doubt caused by hasty editing rather than a purposeful attempt to malign Israel.

But then this is Reuters. And when I read the new headline, it wasn't much better.

Here is the original headline:

and here is the correction:

And the article leads with:

(Reuters) - Israel launched two air strikes in Gaza on Friday, killing two Palestinian militants and wounding five other people as rockets fired from the enclave slammed into its southern region, threatening to unravel an Egyptian-brokered truce.

The rocket attacks - according to Reuters own reporting - took place a few hours before the Israeli air strikes. They did not happen simultenously. Israel did not launch strikes "as" the "rockets fired" (notice, Reuters did not write "Palestinians fired rockets," "Hamas fired rockets," or even "militants fired rockets." But that's another issue.)

Nothing "shook" the truce. Palestinian terrorists fired rockets at Israeli civilian areas. Hours later, Israel attacked (from the air, lest anyone think that the word "raid" implies that Israel entered Gaza on the ground) terrorists preparing to launch more rockets.

Would it be asking too much for Reuters on their correction to get the story right?

You can comment on the revised Reuters article here.


Posted on Jun 28, 2012 9:03:58 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:
Thursday, June 28, 2012
Giving a green light to attempt genocide
27 June '12..

News item:

TEHRAN - Iran's vice president delivered a baldly anti-Semitic speech on Tuesday at an international antidrug conference here, saying that the Talmud, a central text of Judaism, was responsible for the spread of illegal drugs around the world...

Mr. Rahimi, second in line to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said the Talmud teaches to "destroy everyone who opposes the Jews."

The "Zionists" are in firm control of the illegal drug trade, Mr. Rahimi said, asking foreign dignitaries to research his claims. "Zionists" is Iran's ideological term for Jews who support the state of Israel.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran will pay for anybody who can research and find one single Zionist who is an addict," Mr. Rahmini said. "They do not exist. This is the proof of their involvement in drugs trade." ...

Mr. Rahimi ... told stories of gynecologists' killing black babies on the orders of the Zionists and claimed that the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917 was started by Jews, adding that mysteriously, no Jews died in that uprising.

He also said the Talmud teaches Jews to think that they are a superior race. "They think God has created the world so that all other nations can serve them," he said. Halfway through his speech, Mr. Rahimi said there was a difference between Jews who "honestly follow the prophet Moses" and the Zionists, who are "the main elements of the international drugs trade."

This kind of rant serves several purposes. On the most basic level, a great majority of the world's Muslims probably believe him (although I doubt that the same could be said for Iranians). Belief that Jews are essentially evil in multiple ways leads to dehumanization, stage 3 in Stanton's 8 stages of genocide.

On a more emotional level, it doesn't matter if a listener - or even the speaker - believes it or not. It is intended as a message of hate, a verbalization of the upraised middle finger, and a threat. It's more of an action than an utterance.

It sends a message to other enemies of Israel as well. It says "we are not afraid of them, we will tell them to their faces that we intend to kill them."

This is not the first time an Iranian official has sent this same message: "you are not human, we hate you, we will exterminate you." Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khameini and President Ahmadinejad have both compared Israel to a "cancerous tumor," with obvious implications.

The Israeli leadership - especially PM Netanyahu - has a sense of history and understands that threats like this have to be taken with the utmost seriousness.

This is a test, but not for Israel, which already understands what it is facing. It is a test for the "international community," whose representatives were present at the conference and heard this atavistic Jew-hatred, as vile as anything that came from Hitler's propagandists.

European diplomats in attendance expressed shock. Even Iranian participants in the conference, co-sponsored by Iran and the United Nations, privately wondered at their government's motive for allowing such a speech, even given its longstanding antagonism toward Israel...

A European diplomat said afterward: "This was definitely one of the worst speeches I have heard in my life. My gut reaction was: why are we supporting any cooperation with these people?"

Now there is no excuse for pretending that the Iranian regime is anything other than it is. They have seen the face of the beast. Will they close their eyes to its intentions, as they did to Hitler's?

The reaction of the European diplomat quoted above wasn't encouraging:

But the diplomat, who declined to be identified by name or country, defended his presence at the conference. "If we do not support the United Nations on helping Iran fight drugs, voices like the one of Mr. Rahimi will be the only ones out there," he said.

Do we really need to explain to a `diplomat' that Rahimi speaks for the regime? That his voice is "the only one out there" in Iran? Of course not.

If the reaction from the "community," particularly the US, is not swift and substantial - a retraction and apology must be demanded - then it will be taken as a green light.

A green light to attempt genocide.


Posted on Jun 28, 2012 9:14:54 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:
Arutz Sheva, today.

1. Fatah to Israel: Do What We Want, or Face Intifada
by David Lev

If Israel does not surrender all the lands liberated in the Six Day War of 1967, set up an Arab state with Jerusalem as its capital, and make significant concessions in accepting as citizens descendants of Arabs who fled Israel in 1948, a third intifada should, and must, be conducted. The call for a new "uprising of the people" against Israel was part of a the summation statement issued at the end of the two day Palestinian Revolutionary Council (PRC) general meeting held this week. The meeting was led by Palestinian Authority chief and Fatah party head Mahmoud Abbas.

The statement declares its support for Abbas' ongoing refusal to back down from positions that have proven unacceptable to Israel in the past, including demands that Israel agree in principle to accept as citizens descendants of Arabs who fled their homes in 1948. Abbas has also declared that he will refuse to discuss anything with Israel until all settlement activity is ended. That precondition has also been unacceptable to Israel, but in its statement, the PRC said that it supported Abbas on that as well.

The PA will also make another attempt to be recognized as a state by the United Nations this year. Last year, the PA statehood bid was thwarted after many months of intense diplomatic activity by Israel, but analysts said that the PA was less likely to back down this time, and would insist that the matter be brought before the Security Council.

The statement also expresses ongoing support for attempts to reunite Fatah and Hamas in the PA government.It also praised the election of Mohammed Morsi as President of Egypt, saying that it "indicates that Egypt is on the way to resume its major role in the Arab world."

Posted on Jun 28, 2012 9:24:59 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:

Arab Rage: Putin Recognized Jerusalem's Jewish Past

At Kotel, Russian president said "Here we see how the Jewish past is etched into the stones of Jerusalem."

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By Gil Ronen
First Publish: 6/28/2012, 6:53 PM
Putin in Israel
Israel news photo: Flash 90

Arab Muslims are enraged by remarks made by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Kotel, recognizing Jerusalem's Jewish roots.

Putin visited the Kotel Tuesday night and toured the Kotel tunnels. He also said: "Here, we see how the Jewish past is etched into the stones of Jerusalem."

This short remark has aroused the wrath of local Arab leaders, who vehemently deny that the Temple Mount is where the Jewish Temples stood and that Jerusalem was the seat of the Hebrew monarchy for many centuries, long before Mohammed was born.

Attorney Zahi Najidat, spokesman for the Islamic Movement in "the Palestinian Interior" (i.e. - the state of Israel), denounced Putin for allegedly siding with Israel, and mentioned Russia's support for Bashar Assad "who is slaughtering his own countrymen."

The Al Aqsa Institute issued a statement to the press in which it said: "We tell Putin and people like him that the Al-Buraq Wall is exclusive Muslim Waqf property, is an inseperable part of the blessed Al Aqsa Mosque and non-Muslims have no rights at this wall or at the blessed Al Aqsa Mosque, and all historic facts and international documents stress the fact that the Al Buraq Wall is Islamic..."

"We stress that every stone in the Al Aqsa Mosque and its buildings shows is evidence that it is Islamic and every stone in Al Quds is testimony to Al Quds's Muslim and Arabic nature."

Terror group Hamas's spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, said that Hamas rejects Putin's statement, which he says contradicts historic facts and the Shaw Report of 1930. The Shaw Report was issued by a British delegation after the large scale Arab massacre of Jews in 1929, and said anti-Jewish hostility had resulted from the political and economic frustrations of the Arabs.

Posted on Jun 28, 2012 9:27:25 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:

15-Year Sentence for Giving Israel a Good Deal

A Cairo court gave five men who sold gas to Israel 'below market rates' a 15 year sentence; Israel says it paid a fair price.

By Gabe Kahn
First Publish: 6/28/2012, 6:11 PM

A criminal court in Egypt today jailed a former Mubarak-era cabinet minister and a businessman for 15 years each for selling Israel natural gas "below market value."

"The Cairo criminal court sentenced former oil minister Sameh Fahmi and fugitive businessman Hussein Salem to 15 years in prison each over the (Israel) gas deal," a judicial source told AFP.

Salem, is a former partner in the East Mediterranean Gas Co (EMG), an Israeli-Egyptian consortium.

The men were accused "of exporting gas to Israel at below market value" undermining the interests of Egypt, the source added.

Israeli officials have said the paid competitive market rates for natural gas from Egypt under the deal, when viewed in relation to global markets.

Nonetheless, five former high ranking officials from the oil and gas authority received jail sentences ranging from three to 10 years on similar charges, the judicial source added.

The trials came as a result of a sweeping probe into corruption launched by the interim military junta which took over power in Egypt after veteran strongman Hosni Mubarak was ousted by massive streets protests in February 2011.

Several Mubarak ministers and cronies were arrested on charges of corruption after the former leader was forced to quit, and he too was arrested and jailed.

On June 2, a Cairo court handed down a life sentence against Mubarak over his involvement in the deaths of protesters during the 2011 uprising that ousted him from power.

In April, Egypt's new rulers cancelled the controversial 15-year deal to export gas to Israel which was signed in 2005, but said they would be ready to negotiate a new agreement.

Egypt supplies roughly 40 per cent of Israel's gas supplies.

The sale of gas to Israel, which signed a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979, has always been controversial in the Arab world's most populous country.

Bedouin militants have bombed the gas pipeline - which also supplies Jordan - in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula at least 14 times since the uprising that toppled Mubarak.

Posted on Jun 28, 2012 9:30:49 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:

EU Policy Chief Condemns Racist Remarks of Iranian VP

EU Policy Chief Catherine Ashton condemned the racist, anti-Semitic remarks made by Iranian VP at a Tehran conference on drug trafficking.

By Rachel Hirshfeld
First Publish: 6/28/2012, 7:24 PM

European Union Foreign Policy Chief Catherine Ashton condemned the racist and anti-Semitic statements made by Iranian Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi at a conference on drug trafficking in Tehran.

"The High Representative is deeply disturbed by racist and anti-Semitic statements made by Iranian First Vice-President Mohammad Reza Rahimi at the UN International Day against Drug Abuse in Tehran on Tuesday 27 June. She condemns them unreservedly," a statement from Ashton's spokesperson said on Thursday.

"Such statements are unacceptable and should not be tolerated. The High Representative reiterates the European Union's absolute commitment to combating racism and anti-Semitism," it added.

Addressing a ceremony for the International Day Against Drug Abuse, Rahimi alleged that the Talmud "teaches them how to destroy non-Jews so as to protect an embryo in the womb of a Jewish mother."

He accused the "Zionists" of inciting drug trafficking claiming, "You cannot find a single addict among the Zionists."

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2012 9:48:02 AM PDT
jeffesq613 says:
You do it for free?

Posted on Jun 28, 2012 9:48:46 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:

After Three Decades, IDF Prepares for a Hostile Southern Border

The IDF is preparing for a "new era" on Israel's southern border, in an era reminiscent of the pre-Camp David days of a hostile Egypt

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By David Lev
First Publish: 6/28/2012, 10:49 AM

The IDF is preparing for a "new era" on Israel's southern border, which actually is a rewind of history back to the days before the Camp David Accords. With the rise of what appears to be a hostile regime in Egypt, the IDF will be beefing up forces all along the Sinai border, and is asking the government for NIS 15 billion ($3.8 billion) for the construction of bases, installation of security equipment, and establishment of new training areas.

Analysts said that the new situation in Egypt necessitates the opening of a "fourth front" for the IDF. For decades, security along the southern border has been more relaxed, because of the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt, and the IDF was able to concentrate on trouble spots like Gaza and the northern border, as well as "distance missions." Egypt's new President, Mohammed Morsi, who is identified with the Muslim Brotherhood, has said several times that he wishes to "reexamine" the Camp David Accords. Given his party's open hostility to Israel and its strong support for Hamas, Israel has decided that it can no longer regard the Egyptian border as a "normal" one.

A senior IDF official told the Israeli daily Ma'ariv that while no one expects Egypt to abrogate the Camp David Accords, the new situation requires extreme caution. And thanks to three decades of American military aid and support, the Egyptian army today is extremely sophisticated, and is equipped with the latest equipment, making it, for all purposes, a Western-type army, the official said. Egypt also has the largest army in Africa; it has about 470,000 regular troops and some 480,000 reserve troops. The IDF, by way of comparison, has 180,000 active duty soldiers, and about 560,000 reserve troops.

The IDF will ask for the NIS 15 billion increase to be funded over a five year period. Without this money, officials said, it will be impossible to upgrade the IDF's souther flank, making the country dependent on the graces of Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood. In a statement, an IDF official would not comment directly on the funding issue, saying that "as a matter of course the IDF is studying the changes in the region, and specifically in Egypt."

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 6:54:09 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:
Shabbat Shalom Israel !

Part 1

Friday, June 29, 2012
The Temple Mount: Second Temple-era mikveh discovered under Al-Aqsa mosque
Nadav Shragai..
Israel Hayom..
29 June '12..

In 1927, an earthquake struck Jerusalem, killing 130 people, wounding 450 and destroying or heavily damaging about 300 buildings, including Al-Aqsa mosque. The Muslim waqf, led by Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini, began restoring the mosque. Robert Hamilton, the director of the antiquities department during the Mandatory period in pre-state Israel, spotted an opportunity in the midst of disaster.

Hamilton took advantage of this unexpected window of opportunity to reach an agreement with the waqf that would allow archaeological investigation on the Temple Mount, for the first time ever, in the area where the mosque had collapsed. Hamilton documented the reconstruction work done by the waqf, photographed, sketched, excavated, analyzed and wrote about a series of findings, some of them surprising.

But this unprecedented cooperation between the British archaeologist and the Muslim clerics was not without a price. In the book that Hamilton later published, he makes no mention of any findings that the Muslims would have found inconvenient. It was no coincidence that these findings came from two historical periods that preceded the Muslim period in Jerusalem: the Second Temple era and the Byzantine era. These findings were hidden deep in the Mandatory archives department (which today is part of the Antiquities Authority archives in the Rockefeller Museum). These days they are finally coming to light.

Eighty years later, Hamilton's hidden findings are providing support for similar findings unearthed by two Israeli archaeologists, Dr. Gabi Barkai and Zachi Dvira. For the past seven years, Barkai and Dvira have been working on a unique project: sifting tons of earth that the waqf removed from the Temple Mount in the dead of night about 13 years ago. This earth is filled with tiny archaeological findings.

Some important background: In 1999, during preparations to install the gates of Al-Marwani mosque in Solomon's Stables at the southeastern corner of the Temple Mount, the Muslims brought in bulldozers and dug a pit deep and wide. This scandal, which has already been described in the most condemnatory terms possible, led recently to a comprehensive report by the State Comptroller's Office - a report that is, unfortunately, classified. Still, some good has come from the bad.

Archaeological science was given the extraordinary opportunity to examine the earth of the Temple Mount. Unlike what happens during a proper excavation, this earth is being examined "out of its context" (with no way to determine which layer a particular finding came from or to make sure that the remaining ruins are not damaged). The Temple Mount Sifting Project has discovered hundreds of thousands of small items that teach us a great deal about Jerusalem's past and confirm information that Hamilton and the waqf kept from the public for decades.

Beneath the floor of Al-Aqsa mosque, which had collapsed in the earthquake, Hamilton discovered the remains of a Jewish mikveh [ritual pool used for purification] that dated back to the Second Temple era.

Apparently, Jews immersed in this mikveh before entering the Temple grounds.

Barkai and Dvira found a multitude of small items from the periods of the First and Second Temples. Among these items were fragments of the small columns used in a hypocaust - a space under the floor of a room, used to heat the room above - and tubuli - hollow square bricks through which heated air passed, heating the space. Barkai believes that these are remnants of the heating system that the pilgrims, or perhaps the priests, used after completing the ritual immersion.

About half a meter (1.5 feet) under the floor of the damaged mosque, Hamilton discovered the remains of a Byzantine mosaic. When Dvira saw the photographs of it, he immediately recalled hundreds of thousands of mosaic stones and fragments of column capitals, marble used to cover stalls, and marble used for the grating of a church, all from the Byzantine period (324-638 C.E.) that had been found amid the earth taken from the Temple Mount.

These findings have brought about an important revolution in the way we view the history of that period. They suggest that contrary to everything that has been written in the history books, the Temple Mount contained structures - a church or churches - during the Byzantine period. It was not empty and desolate, as was believed until now.

"We have an enormous amount of findings from the Byzantine era," says Dr. Barkai. "They are mainly ceramics, rare coins - including a coin of the last Byzantine emperor, Heraclius - and even a Byzantine lamp with an inscription that refers to Jesus. The people writing the history of the Temple Mount definitely have to reassess their work on this particular era."

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 6:55:02 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:
Part 2

Sifting a winning method

Sifting earth by placing it on horizontal screens and then pouring water on it might look odd to professional archaeologists. But the multitude of findings, the first ones from the soil of the Temple Mount, which were not excavated directly from the Temple Mount, and which are so small, have amazed many people. The wet sifting method was adopted by many other archaeologists and led to many significant discoveries. For example, archaeologist Shlomit Weksler-Bdolah, who excavated near the Western Wall plaza, used the methods developed by the Temple Mount Sifting Project in Emek Tzurim and unearthed five seals from the First Temple era.

The bulla (a small clay seal) discovered in the City of David, which provides the earliest archaeological evidence, in ancient Hebrew script, of the existence of the city of Bethlehem, was also discovered during wet sifting of buckets of earth brought to Emek Tzurim from the City of David. Other archaeologists have brought earth to Emek Tzurim from their own excavations - and this is how the location of the sifting project became not only a place to sift earth from the Temple Mount, but from other digs as well.

One of the rare findings discovered recently is a bulla that was found in a First Temple-era trash pit on the southeastern slopes of the Temple Mount. The bulla bore the inscription: "From Gibeon to the king." Gabi Barkai believes that the bulla, which is about 2,600 years old dating back to the seventh century B.C.E., is evidence of the tax that the inhabitants of Gibeon paid to the king of Judah, who was likely Manasseh, the son of Hezekiah.

"This is the first time that a bulla of this type has been discovered someplace other than the antiques market. It gives validity to 50 other bullae, most of which are in the collection of Joseph Chaim Kaufman of Belgium. Each bulla mentions a city whose name appears in the fifteenth chapter of the biblical Book of Joshua," says Barkai. "This demonstrates that those cities paid taxes to the central government."

The bulla that bears the inscription "From Gibeon to the king" was found by accident when the ground was being leveled on the eastern slopes of the Temple Mount in order to prepare for a mass given by the Pope, who visited Israel that year. Zachi Dvira, who was there when the work was going on and watched it, received permission to transfer the earth from there for sifting in Ein Tzurim National Park. This led to the discovery of amazing findings including fragments of earthenware and tools, bones and five other bullae from the First Temple era.

The sifting of the earth from the Temple Mount to date has uncovered thousands of coins from various periods. Among the coins that generated the most excitement was the half-shekel coin, which was stamped during the great rebellion against the Romans and was used to pay the Temple tax. Another coin bears the image of the Seleucid king, Antiochus IV (Epiphanes), under whom the anti-Jewish decrees were promulgated and the Hasmonean rebellion began.

Another coin that came from the soil of the Temple Mount dates back to the rebellion during which the Second Temple was destroyed. This coin bears the inscription "The liberty of Zion." Other findings include animal bones, some of them perhaps of animals kept on the Temple Mount for sacrifice and which were burned during the destruction. Fox and pig bones were found as well.

To date, 120,000 volunteers have participated in the Temple Mount Sifting Project. Even now, excitement breaks out every time someone shouts "I found something!" The Nature and Parks Authority made the land available for the project. Bar-Ilan University is giving the project academic sponsorship, and the Antiquities Authority has issued it a license. The Elad organization provides the funding.

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 6:56:07 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:
Part 3

Jewish sources

Dr. Gabi Barkai says that to date, about two-thirds of the earth removed from the Temple Mount has been transported to the sifting site, and about half of the total amount has been sifted. "The remaining third, which was not taken to the sifting site, became mixed in large part with other dust and earth, so we let it go. ... We have enough sifting work for another seven years," he says, and mentions that piles of earth remain on the Temple Mount. In an extraordinary move, he High Court of Justice has ruled that the waqf is forbidden to move them.

"We are willing to allow the waqf to remove the earth from there under certain conditions that will allow us to carry out a better archaeological examination of it, or if they allow us to sift it there. Meanwhile, the waqf refuses to allow either option. Not only that, but it is deliberately mixing this earth with modern-day trash and construction debris in order to reduce our ability to get something out of it in the future," he says.

Until the piles of earth reach Emek Tzurim or are examined on the eastern side of the Temple Mount, Barkai and Dvira still have plenty of work to do, and plenty of discoveries to make: "From the prehistoric era, from the days of Adam to our own time."

Here are several examples of recent discoveries: three scarab seals from the second century B.C.E.; fragments of prehistoric tools made of flint, and some ceramics from the 10th century B.C.E., including pitcher handles. Similar handles were discovered recently at Khirbet Qeiyafa in the Elah Valley, at a site that is identified with the period of the united monarchy and King David; large numbers of figurines from the First Temple era; scales for weighing money, made of stone with a domelike structure and a flat base, and slingshot stones shaped like tennis balls, also from the First Temple Period resembling those that were discovered in the ruins of the Assyrian destruction of Lachish. One of the more exciting discoveries to come from the mounds of earth was the handle of a pitcher with the imprint of a seal from Rhodes. It bears the date corresponding to 165 B.C.E., the year that the Temple Mount was purified and the Temple rededicated - the year of the Hanukkah miracle.

Hundreds of opus sectile tiles and thousands of mosaic stones of the same flooring type that were discovered in the sifting project link the Temple Mount to scripture texts. These are fragments of colorful tiles, some of them of marble and others of bituminous chalk, which comes from near the Dead Sea. Examples of such tiling were found in the past in Herod's palace in Jericho, at the Herodion and on Masada.

Dr. Barkai quotes from the scriptures, drawing a connection between them and the hundreds of colored tile. "Josephus says that during the Second Temple era, the Temple courtyards were paved with `colored stones.' The sages of the Talmud also say that Herod built the Temple 'of blue, yellow and white marble.'"

Muslim contempt

Large findings hardly survived the waqf's bulldozers. Most of the ones that did are still on the Temple Mount. Some of them were used as raw material for the waqf's construction work on the Temple Mount, and a little of it reached the black market. Still, the piles of earth that were removed from the Temple Mount contained fragments of red marble columns from the Roman period.

In the waqf museum on the Temple Mount, a large fragment is preserved with a dedicatory inscription. The fragment was part of the victory arch that the Romans build after the Second Temple was destroyed. The inscription commemorates Flavius Silva, the conqueror of Masada, who was the governor of the province of Judea during the 80s C.E. The fragment came from a building in Solomon's Stables, which the Muslims began to level in 1996.

This week, a rare photograph was taken on the Temple Mount. Taken inside the Dome of the Rock, it shows construction materials and rebar placed on the Foundation Stone, the place where the Holy of Holies and the Ark of the Covenant are believed to have been. While there does not appear to be any archaeological damage, this state of affairs is an expression of the weakness of the Antiquities Authority in the place that is the most important to the Jewish people. This weakness takes the form of the authority's complete dependence on the police and also of the contempt that the Muslims show toward Jewish archaeological remnants on the Temple Mount.

The director-general of the Antiquities Authority, Yehoshua "Shuka" Dorfman, spoke about the current situation on the Temple Mount before the Knesset's Education Committee. He described the Temple Mount as "an archaeological site that is not under the Authority's supervision ... our ability to provide supervision is limited. Would I say that I am pleased? Definitely not. But we cooperate with the police, and we know what is happening on the Temple Mount."


Posted on Jun 29, 2012 7:06:37 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:

Tammuz 9, 5772, 6/29/2012

We're Losing the Temple Mount's Foundation Stone

Tomorrow's Friday edition of Makor Rishon will be carrying a lead story by Arnon Segal on how the Temple Mount Foundation Stone, in Hebrew Even HaShtiya, has had metal supports placed on it while the Waqf renovates the Dome of the Rock:-

Picture here.

A complaint should filed with the police based on the Law for the Protection of the Holy Places:

1. The Holy Places shall be protected from desecration and any other violation and from anything likely to violate the freedom of access of the members of the different religions to the places sacred to them or their feelings with regard to those places.

2. a) Whosoever desecrates or otherwise violates a Holy Place shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of seven years.

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 7:54:27 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 8:48:10 AM PDT
William B says:

This is a stunning little video.

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 9:10:43 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:

Friday, June 29, 2012
(Video) Dear Tagger: Who Am I When You See Me?
26 June '12..

This excellent short film is participating in a competition entitled "What Is Zionism Today?". Take a look, and a 2nd look, as judgments are formed, labels given, the door closed but a brief moment later with a change of scene, a new truth emerges, and for the better.

Please vote for us
How to vote: Enter the link above.
On the resulting page you can see the video. Below which there is a blue button with the "like" sign. Click on the button, and your vote will be recorded!
Thank you!

Thanks to Rabbi Tzvi Ron for help with translation from Hebrew!!

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 9:17:53 AM PDT
Sixties fan says:
Friday, June 29, 2012
Clueless in Jerusalem? Meet the New York Times
Henry Kopel..
The Commentator..
29 June '12..

Among the dogmas that hold sway in foreign policy salons despite abundant evidence to the contrary, few seem more resilient than belief in the peaceful intentions of the so-called "moderate" Palestinian Authority.

Why do such counterfactual beliefs persist? One reason is because people who are presumed to know the facts and who have a prominent platform keep repeating such beliefs. This phenomenon was on full display in last Sunday's New York Times, in an op-ed by Nathan Thrall captioned "The Third Intifada Is Inevitable."

Datelined from Jerusalem and describing the author as "a Middle East analyst at the International Crisis Group," the article exuded factual expertise. Equally impressive was the article's opening sentence, quoting from a "private meeting with the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and his security advisers."

But for all the author's expertise and inside access, the article was highly misleading - less by what was said, than by what was not said. Much of the pertinent factual context was simply omitted. Yet as a representative sample of "peaceful Palestinian Authority" dogma, analysis of the article's errors can be very illuminating.

The central points of Mr. Thrall's article were a prediction and a judgment. He predicted that growing Palestinian rage will soon result in a major outbreak of Palestinian violence against Israel; and he judged Israel guilty for causing the Palestinians' rage.

In essence, Mr. Thrall's analysis rested on three factual claims:

First: Palestinian Authority ("PA") leader Mahmoud Abbas and his leadership team have demonstrated genuine readiness for statehood and lasting peace by their cooperative posture towards Israel.

As Mr. Thrall put it, "Mr. Abbas was [a] key architect[] of the Oslo peace process . . . [and remains] its last remaining believer . . . [He] helped create `a good situation' for Israel, . . . [through] years of unprecedented cooperation with Palestinian forces in the West Bank," and is "the most obliging, nonviolent Palestinian leader Israel has encountered."

Second: By its stubborn refusal to cede control of the West Bank, Israel has rebuffed the Palestinians' conciliatory approach and squandered an opportunity for a two-state peace.

In Mr. Thrall's words, "Thanks to the . . . peace that Mr. Abbas's government has been keeping . . . , Israelis [now] believe . . . their state could remain Jewish and democratic without relinquishing any of the West Bank." Quoting Hamas, Mr. Thrall contends "`Israelis had a golden opportunity to sign an agreement with Abbas . . . But the chance has already passed.'"

Third: Israel's rebuff of a conciliatory PA is the cause of the Palestinians' growing rage, and hence Israel will bear the blame for any resulting violence.

As Mr. Thrall explains, "Palestinians today see their leadership banging its head against a wall, hoping . . . that a bit more good behavior will bring about an independent state. . . [Now that] gunfire [has] returned to the streets of Jenin . . . [t]he root cause of this instability is that Palestinians have lost all hope that Israel will grant them a state."

Are Mr. Thrall's claims accurate? When one considers the many pertinent facts that Mr. Thrall left out, the answer is plainly "no."

First, consider his claim that the PA has demonstrated readiness for statehood and lasting peace. Yes, PA security forces have cooperated with American advisors and Israeli police. But that cooperation is also a price paid by the PA for receiving hundreds of millions of U.S. aid dollars.

More important, Mr. Thrall failed to mention any of the PA`s extensive "anti-peace" investments, namely its relentless efforts to incite and subsidize terrorism, promote Jew hatred, and effect Israel's destruction.

Across the West Bank, dozens of schools, youth camps, sports festivals, and town squares are named after mass murderers of Jews. Effusive praise of these terrorists regularly flows on PA government TV, and in speeches by PA leaders. The PA also spends millions - supplied partly by U.S. aid - as pensions for convicted Palestinian terrorists in Israeli jails.

Repeating the slanders of the Holocaust, PA TV and newspapers regularly castigate Jews as "monkeys and pigs," "a germ among us," and a "parasitic worm." The PA also spreads incendiary allegations such as false claims that Israel poisons Palestinian wells, infects Palestinian men with the AIDs virus, and kidnaps Palestinians to sell their organs.

Unlike Israel, where schools teach tolerance and respect for Arab and Islamic culture, PA TV programs also urge children to become suicide bombers, and demand the extermination of the Jews. Phrases like "they must be butchered and must be killed," "kill them to the last one," and "their children will be exterminated" are common fare.

Mr. Abbas's eliminationist agenda is also manifest in his rigid insistence on a broad "right of return" for descendants of the 600,000 Palestinians who fled the new Israeli state in 1947-48.

Mr. Abbas insists that these now-millions of people have a right to settle not only in a Palestinian state, but also in Israel. This would end Israel's Jewish majority, and turn Israel into a province of the Palestinian state.

On these facts, how could anyone describe the PA as ready for a lasting peace with Israel?

Second, consider Mr. Thrall's claim that Israel, by stubbornly holding onto the West Bank, squandered a chance for a two-state peace. In fact, it is Israel that has repeatedly offered a Palestinian state, and the Palestinians who have always said no.

In 1947 the U.N. voted for two states in Palestine - one for Jews, one for Arabs. Israel said yes and invited its Arab residents to stay with equal civil rights assured. But the Palestinian Arabs said no and launched a war to destroy Israel.

This Palestinian "no" has never changed, despite Israel's 1967 land-for-peace offer (rejected), the 1993 Oslo accords (sabotaged by Palestinian terrorism), and Israel's three statehood offers in 2000, 2001, and 2008 (all rejected).

The last three statehood offers included all of Gaza, at least 97 percent of a contiguous West Bank, compensating land swaps, and a capital in Jerusalem. The Saudi diplomat Prince Bandar, who participated in the 2000 Camp David negotiations, called the PA's refusal to accept that statehood offer "a crime against Palestinians."

On these facts, how can anyone place primary blame on Israel - and not Palestinian leaders - for the lack of a Palestinian state?

Finally, consider Mr. Thrall's claim that Israel is the cause of the Palestinians' rage. The PA - not Israel - is responsible for refusing all offers of a lasting two-state peace; for failing to resettle Palestinian "refugees" in permanent homes; for failing to create a non-corrupt national government; and most important, for constantly brainwashing its people to emulate terrorists, hate Jews, and blame Israel for the PA's many failures.

Contra Mr. Thrall, the PA is both the instigator and the beneficiary of the West Bank Palestinians' rage. By steering such rage against Israel through its propaganda apparatus, the PA deflects resentment for its own miserable performance, and keeps alive its aspiration to destroy Israel.

Writers like Mr. Thrall, and papers like the New York Times, which propagate the PA's false narrative to Western audiences, serve as the unwitting tools of this deception.

Such writers may believe they help the Palestinians by deflecting attention from their leaders' many failings. But by providing cover for the PA's dead-end politics of hatred and scapegoating, they only prolong the Palestinian people's suffering at the hands of their failed leaders.


Henry Kopel is an attorney with the U.S. Department of Justice in Connecticut. The views here are his own, and do not reflect the views of the Justice Department

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 9:22:50 AM PDT
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