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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 3, 2012 4:45:39 PM PDT
IGS says:
48-50 months a year. Lol I was really sloppy on this one. Weeks a year, thanks. I am over due for a vacation

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 3, 2012 4:55:08 PM PDT
IGS says:
For me, generally about 50 depending on whose axe is in a bind

As for doctors, don't even get me started. Ever watch a five year old child die in your arms? Teacher's have a walk in a rose scented garden compared to that

As I said earlier, most of what teachers do in this regard is canned ... And you knw it. Moreover, if they were a minute over 35 it's time and a half. As for parent meetings, school ends early so the teachers can manage this.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 3, 2012 11:15:56 PM PDT
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Posted on Jul 4, 2012 11:32:50 AM PDT
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DarthRad says:
Igs',

I have had my kids in private schools and public schools. I went only to public schools. Private school teachers are not necessarily better or worse than a decent quality public school. In fact, many private schools do not generally have as stringent requirements for various teacher's certificates as do public schools.

The key to whether any school is good or not are the people who run the place, and hire and oversee the teachers. And ultimately, that is determined by the parents and their children. A community filled with parents who demand only excellent education will get it. Their children will want to learn, and study, and the school will thrive, whether it is public or private. Communities that become known for having great public schools tend to attract other parents who want great education for their kids, and this drives up property values.

Private schools can have terrible teachers and lousy administrators also. Often, these are the most prestigious and expensive ones, with "big name" reputations - they get lots of rich kids whose parents think they are sending their kids to a great place because of the name, and otherwise don't actually look at whether the place is any good or not. Private schools that have no problems getting their fill of paying customers can be every bit as frustrating to deal with as lousy public schools.

I would point out, again, that whenever the Republicans have tried to introduce vouchers, the people who always vote it down are the wealthier suburbs with their excellent public school systems. Most of these tend to normally be Republican voters.

Private schools are not necessarily the cure for everything. Drug use and lack of discipline can be serious problems, just like public schools. The best private schools are often those in areas where the rest of the community has been very lackadaisical about school standards and let their public schools slide downhill. Private schools then become the only outlet for parents who care about education to send their kids to school.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 2:27:39 PM PDT
baby bush is worser than all them
but they are bad
and dont forget fdr

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 5:09:25 PM PDT
IGS says:
Good points, all of them. I used private schools as an example of an alternate situation. As a parent, there is very little you can do to remove a bad teacher with seniority ... Period.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 6:08:05 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 4, 2012 6:37:48 PM PDT
Andre Lieven says:
Igs: If you want to claim that there are some cases of waste in education, then I would submit that that's a part of what happens when you try to herd a lot of people. One of the big news stories up here is Sikorsky being unable to deliver Canadian naval helicopters even though the original contract delivery date was 2008. And, that it's looking like we won't get 'em for another four more years, and it will cost more $$$.

So, really, I'm not interested in reading screeds of how 'awful' teachers are, especially given that they make not a lot of money. That's a case of, you get what you pay for. Try giving good teachers million dollar bonuses, and the turds on Wall Street $45,000 a year, tops.

As far as teacher layoffs go, that's called seniority. Yes, it's not perfect. But, firing without needing cause is worse. Because it's so EASILY misused.

What you've given is a few anecdotes. My wife, who worked as a case manager for the US federal courts for almost two decades, would be most amused if anyone tried to file a class action case based on so flimsy and irrelevant 'evidence'. She'd be right about that, too. She's spanked a LOT of lawyers in her time.

And, the WSJ IS a rag. Look who owns it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 6:17:03 PM PDT
Gneiss Guy says:
Andre, this thread is the first line of concise, cogent argument I have seen you make and I want to say I am impressed. Thank you for your contributions. I don't follow all of your threads so I cannnt and will not imply this is the only instance of sound argument.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 4, 2012 6:37:36 PM PDT
Andre Lieven says:
BH:'Andre, this thread is the first line of concise, cogent argument I have seen you make and I want to say I am impressed.'

Well, that's a rather backhanded 'compliment'... I do this fairly often. http://nerdapproved.com/approved-products/the-credible-hulk-image/

'Thank you for your contributions.'

You're welcome. As I've said, I've dated a high school teacher, for a couple of years some time ago. I saw on many day to day and week to week periods just how much work beyond basic school hours she had to put in, and then, how much more time and effort she put in because she was a good teacher, and she wanted to be an even better teacher. It's not an easy life. It is a bit more comfy than, say, an electrical company repair guy who often has to work in the middle of the night, and in bad weather, like many of those folks who are working hard now to restore power after that big mid east US storm.

Both kinds of effort are worthy of respect and, yes, good pay. So, the idea that unions in some way contributed to the tanking of the economy in the last four years is beyond absurd. That responsibility goes to the free market banking koo koos and their pals who decided that regulation is for pussies.

'I don't follow all of your threads so I cannnt and will not imply this is the only instance of sound argument.'

OK, that's fair enough.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 7:55:40 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 11:54:23 AM PDT
Oh, you are correct. I should have stated that GWB often worked when he was away from the White House. Clinton and Obama pretend to be working when they are actually flitting around the world on our dime. THIS IS FACT.
Another FACT: I heard Obama thank himself. How pathetic and embarrassing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 12:05:27 PM PDT
Andre Lieven says:
i:'I should have stated that GWB often worked when he was away from the White House. Clinton and Obama pretend to be working when they are actually flitting around the world on our dime. THIS IS FACT.'

-That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.-

-So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the least time off -- 28 days.-
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-20093801.html

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 2:28:14 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 4:21:16 PM PDT
Andre Lieven says:
i:'Andre Lieven, don't you think that you should give credit to Christopher Hitchens?'

Since I use the -xxx- markings to show that I am using a quote, no.

'Bill Clinton went to China and spent $1,000,000.00 for one meal.'

-That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.-

A Google search of -Bill Clinton million dollar meal- turns up nothing of the sort.

'Bill Clinton even took Monica with him to China.'

-That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.-

A Google search of -Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky China- turns up nothing of the sort. 0-2.

'Obviously you approve of Clinton and Obama.'

No, I disapprove of them far, far less than I disapprove of the war criminal Shrub. The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder

'I gave my opinion, and it is exactly that- MY OPINION.'

And, I pointed out that your opinion, from a factual view, was a steaming pile of manure. Deal with it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 4:48:55 PM PDT
Andre, You just made a 74 year old laugh. Thank you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2012 4:54:45 PM PDT
Andre Lieven says:
i: -You can lead a horse's butt to water, but you can't make him think...-

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 5:07:08 PM PDT
Rachel says:
Ok !

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 5:07:52 PM PDT
Rachel says:
Please don't go on!

Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 6, 2012 5:09:03 PM PDT
Rachel says:
Richard:
I f there were no votes in yours and my post. It is time to leave the subject. Apparently there is no interest>

Rachel :-)

Posted on Jul 6, 2012 7:29:31 PM PDT
Every time I see Wilson and Jackson on our money, I shake my head. Two of our worst presidents. Bush JR. just as bad.

In an interview on the history channel, a historian talked about General Washington. He said that Washington made mistakes in the Rev War, but he never made the same mistake twice. To bad other presidents can not say the same.

Posted on Jul 6, 2012 7:51:28 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 6, 2012 7:55:20 PM PDT
The overall worst: Buchanan, McKinley, Taylor, Grant, Coolidge.
Most overrated and most covertly corrupt: Reagan
Most paranoid, leading to stupid actions: Nixon
Hardest to evaluate: JFK. Too many unanswered questions, like how he would have handled Vietnam in the long run.
Simply the dumbest: Dubya

President who was a major success in one area and a total failure in another: LBJ. Terrific in domestic policy initiatives, but a horrible failure in foreign policy.

Posted on Jul 7, 2012 9:44:39 AM PDT
Robert Bykowski says: "Simply the dumbest: Dubya"
While I'd have to agree that Dubya was one of our least intellectually curious presidents, I'm more likely to downgrade him for his immorality and cruelty than any other fault. As Governor of Texas, Bush Jr. probably presided over more executions (152 total = one every nine days in office) than the Taliban did in Afghanistan during the same timeframe. He rarely took the time to personally read over the cases before declining clemency, having his legal counsel Alberto Gonzales (Bush's future US Attorney General) present a cursory summary - usually on the same day as the scheduled execution.

Posted on Jul 7, 2012 9:48:31 AM PDT
I liked Regan, but why change the name of Washington National airport? Politicians do this all the time. Why does a politician think it is acceptable to change the name of a publicly funded structure? It seems self-serving to me. Perhaps the politicians responsible for the name change hope that they, too, will have a structure named for them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2012 9:51:54 AM PDT
If what you claim is true...how shameful. I wonder, do other Texas Governors behave in a similar manner?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 7, 2012 11:00:52 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 7, 2012 12:54:44 PM PDT
IGS says:
Marley

I am always grateful that we spare the lives of those who murder in cold blood, aren't you? Makes me feel good all over.

My sad conclusion was that Texas (under Bush) ruthlessly executed Karla Tucker. She was responsible for the miniscule infraction of hitting Jerry Dean over the head with a pick axe because she wanted him to "stop him from making that noise" (a gurgling noise) after being hit in the head repeatedly with a hammer. But she also hit Debbie Thorton (a friend of Dean's) repeatedly with a pick axe too. And then embedded the axe in her heart. In determining the extend of her remorse, repeated and consistent testimony was offered by third parties indicated that Tucker stated that experienced intense multiple orgasms with each blow of the pickaxe, or words to that effect. Can you imagine the gall of that jury! Death for a little think like that!! What were they thinking?

I am appalled that Bush allowed the sentence of this type of person to be carried out, simply appalled!

Why don't we stick to figures upon which an honest and fair-minded reflection can be made. Perhaps Ike and before, alright?
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