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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 21, 2012 12:05:07 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 20, 2012 9:29:47 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
Thats of course presuming Jews of that time were monothiests......which seems unlikely.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 20, 2012 9:01:41 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
One would note, that we (as in the United States) support this guy and the government there, in spite of the wishes of the populace (some of which would prefer a more open style of government and a less strict form of Islam).

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 20, 2012 8:34:35 PM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
There is no link between Ishmael and the current Muslims. They want to believe it but facts are facts. If there were a link they would not have remained polytheists until Mo. If they were descended from Ishmael they would have been monotheists.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 20, 2012 8:34:03 PM PDT
Aluf B. says:
Ishmael, CAM, is an Egyptian if Hagar is so.


In reply to an earlier post on Oct 20, 2012 8:32:48 PM PDT
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Aluf B. says:
Hagia Sofia was a Church. This is not a new development.
On the subject too. Many synagogues converted into churches in history.


In reply to an earlier post on Oct 20, 2012 8:27:18 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 22, 2012 8:10:29 PM PDT
Aluf B. says:
Shavua Tov J. Schwarz:

A retrospective study of boycotts, I would argue except the issue Of South Africa, usually doesn't work.
Let us complain and complain! Yet, you know that the political climate is not balanced and any activity, except official, is sometimes not the best way to go.
Please tell me about your studies.

I learned about Paleography as a way of dating documents. Accelerated Mass Spectrometry AMS and its comparison with Carbon 14. All this in relationship to the Dead Sea Scrolls, plus, of course, the content. Its is more than fascinating. While I had learned before about these documents we now know a bit more about them and the book of Vanderkam in this subject is worth reading.The Dead Sea Scrolls Today.


In reply to an earlier post on Oct 20, 2012 8:14:37 PM PDT
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Aluf B. says:
Jen and L. King:

Shavua Tov:

This is not the Ireland of the aftermath of the First World War. The situation has changed but there were leaders then that did accept the Zionist dream. I found this as part of my project.


Posted on Oct 20, 2012 7:56:29 PM PDT
doulos says:
such an insecurity on the arabs mindset. When Isaac received the primary blessing Ismael also received a blessing. see, Genesis 17:18-21 They should just except the fact that they did receive a blessing from God. To be jealous or insecure on who got the primary blessing is flat being ungrateful that God did give them a blessing. Of course a lot of this has to do with some of their lying leaders hatred of the Jewish people. One thing about the people in the middle east. They do do forget their history. Un-forgiveness and the many fights. and an eye for an eye needs to be turned to forgiveness extended to each other. Until they care more about the future of their children, the blood will flow.

Posted on Oct 20, 2012 7:31:34 PM PDT
L. King says:
An extraordinary admission by Jamal al Husseini contained in the records of the infamous MacDonald Commission in 1939. Keep in mind that Jamal Husseini was a kinsman to the Mufti and ran the Arab Higher Committee at a time when the Mufti had fled Mandatory Palestine due to crimes including conspiracy to commit murder.

"Jamal Husseini asked MacDonald whether he seriously supposed that the Arabs of Palestine would accept the humiliation of being placed no more than on an equality with a Jewish minority."

pp254, My Talks With Arab Leaders

Yes, he actually said that it would be considered a "humiliation" if Arabs were lowered in status to be equal to Jews.

Posted on Oct 20, 2012 7:20:39 PM PDT
L. King says:
I recall the Ayatollah's death fatwa against Salman Rushdie, and the reward was recently increased, likely to keep up with inflation. What I do not recall are any fatwas issued against the murder of Mr. Rushdie.

The Quran proscribes the death penalty for those who "do mischief in the land". Under Islamic Law, anyone deemed to commit an offense to the reputation of Islam could be put to death. Which is why one hears cries of "Death to America. Death to Israel. Slaughter the Jews. (Itbach al Yahud). Death to Infidels."

This is the Islamic concept of "justice".

From April 12, 1958 Mike Wallace's interview with Abba Eban: WALLACE: All over the Middle East too, though, will you not find that the huge majority of the Arab people are interested in the extermination of Israel?
EBAN: We find that the governments of Arab countries still articulate the aim of our extermination, but er... I think it is beyond their powers to achieve it and, of course, in any international system which respects law and morality, there must be resistance to any such policy. [5]

Some have put it: This is about a 250 million strong Pan-Arab Movement seeking to drive 6 million Jews into the sea.[6]

Yet, in spite of it all, it has been noted: "Israel has upheld its democratic values despite being threatened like no country on earth... In defending itself against wars of aggression, unparalleled terror campaigns and continuous promises to annihilate it, Israel has a track record on the protection of rights that would compare favorably to the record of any democracy, much less democracies under threat."

Posted on Oct 20, 2012 6:56:26 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 20, 2012 6:57:06 PM PDT
L. King says:
"Justice" in Hamastan

The War On Culture In Gaza: This Time Hamas Drives The Bulldozers

The Al-Etehad Gallery in Gaza was unique: until last week it was the last cultural center on Hamas government land allowed to stay open. A symbol of the arts in Gaza, a place desperately in need of cultural distractions, it catered to families looking for some respite from the Occupation.

But that all changed last week when Hamas officials decided to bulldoze the building. According to government sources, the gallery owners were late on their rent payments but most Gazans raised more than an eyebrow at this `reason' for the destruction of yet another cultural center.

When Hamas first came to power in Gaza five years ago, they closed most of the traditional cultural centers, places that organized everything from extra school classes to `Dubka' dance events. It wasn't just the buildings they were interested in either: radio stations and newspapers also faced the governmental wrath.

So called `Young and Happy Radio Station' was one of those deemed unacceptable by the new Hamas government. Newspapers faced a similar fate and nowadays the only rags in circulation are those owned by the state.

One of the first cultural bases to go was the `Seeds of Hope' center. In the summer of 2008, the building was stripped clean of furniture, playground equipment, books and even the front door. Bullets were then shot through windows and walls.

"They gutted it completely," said Dr. Taysir "Tass" Abu Saada, president of Seeds of Hope International. It was a pattern that has continued up until the destruction of the Al-Etehad Gallery this week.


Yet there's no let up on the cultural crackdown and Hamas have made it clear that dissent will not be tolerated. Two years ago Gazan youths put together a `manifesto' criticizing their government for curbing freedom of expression including in the creative arts. The response: arrest for those involved and no change at all in government policy. For a party concerned with the legacy of Palestinians, Hamas are certainly doing their best to stop the cultural continuity.

full article:

Posted on Oct 20, 2012 6:50:37 PM PDT
L. King says:
"Justice" - Saudi Style

November 7, 2003 ...The main author of the Saudi religious curriculum expressed his unequivocal support for the legalization of slavery in one of his lectures recorded on a cassette and obtained exclusively by SIA news.

Leading government cleric Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan is the author of the religious books currently used to teach 5 million Saudi students, both within the and in Saudi schools aboard - including those in the Washington, D.C. metro area.

"Slavery is a part of Islam," he says in the tape, adding: "Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam."

Government spokesman Adel Al-Jubeir and other officials have repeatedly claimed religious curriculums are being reformed, but Al-Fawzan's books continued to be used according to the minister of education's statements published by Al-Watan daily September 14th, 2003.

Al-Fawzan is member of the Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabia's highest religious body, a member of the Council of Religious Edicts and Research, the Imam of Prince Mitaeb Mosque in Riyadh, and a professor at Imam Mohamed Bin Saud Islamic University, the main Wahhabi center of learning in the country.

Al-Fawzan refuted the mainstream Muslim interpretation that Islam worked to abolish slavery by introducing equality between the races.

"They are ignorant, not scholars," he said of people who express such opinions. "They are merely writers. Whoever says such things is an infidel."

Al-Fawzan's most famous book, "Al-Tawheed - Monotheism", is taught to Saudi high school students. In it, he says that most Muslims are polytheists, and their blood and money are therefore free for the taking by "true Muslims."

Among Al-Fawzan's other controversial beliefs is the right to ban the marriage of Arab women to non- Arab Muslims, according to his book "Al-Mulkhas Al-Fiqhee" ("Digest of Law"). He has also issued a fatwa forbidden the watching of TV.

Al-Fwazan is also is a leading opponent of those who seek to introduce change to the Saudi school curriculum. He also claimed that elections and demonstrations are western imitations.

According to Saudi liberal writer and scholar Sheikh Hassan Al-Maliki, Al-Fawzan threatened him with beheading if he continued in his criticism of the extremist Wahhabi interpretation of Islam. Al-Maliki, who worked for the ministry of education, was fired after he wrote a 50- page paper criticizing Al-Fawzan's book "Al-Tawheed".

Posted on Oct 20, 2012 6:45:49 PM PDT
L. King says:
George W. Bush once proclaimed that "Islam is a Religion of Peace". Did he get it wrong?

Interesting debate featuring Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray held by PBS's Intelligence Squared on that very topic. The "pro" side failed to carry the vote, concluding that it was not.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 20, 2012 6:29:22 PM PDT
L. King says:
The Irish do not make "Irish Spring", except possibly for local use. It's simply a brand name used by Colgate-Palmolive.

To voice your concerns try contacting Ireland's US Ambassador Michael Collins.

I think an attempted boycott of Irish goods would be counterproductive.

Irish history may be influence by the support of the IRA which had a working relationship with the PLO. To find out more about the problem:

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 20, 2012 6:17:49 PM PDT
Yeah better hide that post:

\\In other words anyone who disagrees with you is an Anti-Semite, correct?

One might point out that Palestinians are semites too, that in fact some of them never left their lands a couple of thousand years ago (so it would seem). \\

Posted on Oct 20, 2012 6:05:18 PM PDT
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L. King says:
The IDF intercepted a Swedish boat sailing towards Gaza this morning on the open seas. The sole purpose was to "break the blockade". According to the Times of Israel there was no humanitarian aid on board.

"A short while ago, Israeli Navy soldiers boarded "Estelle", a vessel which was en-route to the Gaza Strip, attempting to break the maritime security blockade. The boarding was carried out in accordance with international law, with directives of the Israeli Government and after all attempts to prevent the vessel from reaching the Gaza Strip were made, both via direct contact and through diplomatic channels, but to no avail.

The boarding was carried out only after numerous calls to the passengers onboard; as a result of their unwillingness to cooperate and after ignoring calls to change course, the decision was made to board the vessel and lead it to the port of Ashdod.

The Israeli Navy soldiers operated as planned, and took every precaution necessary to ensure the safety of the passengers. After boarding the vessel by IDF soldiers, who did not need to use force, the passengers were attended to and offered food and beverages.

Upon arrival of the vessel at the Ashdod port, the passengers will be transferred to the custody of the Israel Police and immigration authorities at the Ministry of Interior.

It should be stressed that any organization or state who wishes to transfer supplies or aid to the Gaza Strip can do so via the existing land crossings and in coordination with Israeli authorities.

There are several good restaurants in Ashdod. I wonder which one did the catering?

This was not my firt visit to Idi and it will not be the last. It's just fanatastic all around. Last time I went for a romantic dinner with my wife, this time we took the kids for a Saturday family lunch. Now I can say that there is defintiley something for everyone. We had fantastic food with perfect service...

This is one of our favorite restaurants. The menu is innovative and the chef Nati Shafrir never ceases to be creative with the local produce. It is a wonderful place for celebrating occasions or for just having a quiet romantic dinner.
"Like in Yemen"
Good food, good atmosphere, nice restaurant for familly.

Posted on Oct 20, 2012 5:04:13 PM PDT
Sixties Fan says:

Op-Ed: EXPOSE: Europe Turns Churches into Mosques
Published: Saturday, October 20, 2012 11:02 PM

Bouchra Ismaili, a Rotterdam city councilman: "Listen up, crazy freaks, we're here to stay. You're the foreigners here, with Allah on my side I'm not afraid of anything. Take my advice: convert to Islam, and you will find peace".

Giulio Meotti
The writer, an Italian journalist with Il Foglio, writes a twice-weekly column for Arutz Sheva. He is the author of the book "A New Shoah", that researched the personal stories of Israel's terror victims, published by Encounter. His writing has appeared in publications, such as the Wall Street Journal, Frontpage and Commentary. He is at work on a book about the Vatican and Israel.

The Middle East is full of churches turned into Islamic sites, like the Umayyad in Damascus, the Ibn Tulun in Cairo and the cathedral of St. Sophia in Instanbul.

In Hevron and on Jerusalem's Temple Mount, the Muslims built their sites on the Jewish ones.

A sad prophecy of the writer Emile Cioran once cast a sinister prophecy on Europe: "The French will not wake up until Notre Dame becomes a mosque".

This is now a reality. But unlike the Middle East, where non-Muslim sites were razed or violently converted to Islam, in Europe this process is voluntary.
The church of Saint-Eloi in the French region of Vierzon will soon become a mosque. The diocese of Bourges has put on sale the church and a Muslim organization, l'Association des Marocains, made the most generous offer to buy the site.

The church of Saint-Eloi is located in an area inhabited by Turks and Moroccans. It's the "de-Christianization" of Europe, which is naturally followed by its gradual Islamization and increasing anti-Semitism. Of 27.000 inhabitants in the town of Vierzon, only 300 go to church once a week.

In the past decade, French Catholic bishops formally closed more than 60 churches, many of which are destined to become mosques, according to the research conducted by the newspaper La Croix.

According to a recent report of the US Pew Center, Islam is already "the fastest-growing religion in Europe," where the number of Muslims has tripled over the past 30 years. One third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025.

Demography is the most important symptom of exhaustion: without a cradle, you can't sustain a civilization.

To understand this historic process one has to see the number of churches converted into mosques.

In the Netherlands, more than 250 buildings where Catholics, Lutherans and Calvinists have prayed for centuries, have changed owners. Like the Fatih Camii Mosque in Amsterdam, which once was a Catholic church, the Saint Ignatius. Or the church of S. Vincentius, which was put on sale along with the benches, the crucifixes and the chandeliers. Today more than half of the Dutch population is "buitenkerkelijk", it means free from any religious affiliation, as well as Catholics decreased by 70 percent.

Islam is now considered the "most widely practiced religion" in the Netherlands. The Oude Kerk, the oldest church in Amsterdam, built in 1309, stands solidly in the heart of downtown. Around it is the red-light district with the South American and Eastern European prostitutes knocking on the glass to attract the attention of passersby. The Neuwe Kerk, the church where the Dutch kings were crowned, is a museum. The only "church" in the city that is crowded is that of Scientology, which offers free stress tests.

4,400 church buildings remain in the Netherlands. Each week, two close their doors forever. A synagogue in The Hague was turned into the al Aqsa Mosque.

In Duisburg, Germany, the Catholic church closed six churches. In Marxloh, the only church that survives, that of St. Peter and Paul, will close at the end of 2012. In Germany 400 churches have been closed.

The municpality of Antwerp, Belgium, proposed to transform the empty churches into mosques. Scandinavia lives the same phenomenon. To cite one case, the Swedish churches of St. Olfos is used by the Muslims. The main mosque in Dublin is a former Presbyterian church.

In England, 10.000 churches have been closed since 1960. By 2020, another 4.000 churches will close while there will be, it is predicted, 1.700 new mosques, many of which will arise on former churches.

After the "God is dead" of Friedrich Nietzsche, Europe is going to adopt the Koranic "there is no God but Allah".
To mention just some churches turned into mosques, there is the Central Mosque of Brent, the St. Marks Cathedral which is now called New Peckam Mosque and the former Wesleyan Methodist Church. The mosque of Disbury in Manchester was a Methodist church, and a Catholic church in Sydney, Nova Scotia, will become a mosque. In Clitheroe, Lancashire, the municipal authorities have granted permission to turn an Anglican church into a mosque.

After the "God is dead" of Friedrich Nietzsche, Europe is going to adopt the Koranic "there is no God but Allah". And the old Gregorian chants will be substituted by the muezzin.

Europe's tragedy is embodied by the sterile blocks of concrete and glass of the European Union in Bruxelles. Symbols of the moral emptiness within. Meanwhile the top seven baby boys' names in Brussels are Mohammed, Adam, Rayan, Ayoub, Mehdi, Amine and Hamza.

A couple of years ago I visited Rotterdam, the Dutch industrial polmon. Everywhere are casbah-cafes, travel agencies offering flights to Rabat and Casablanca, and posters expressing solidarity with Hamas. Most of the population are immigrants, and the city has the tallest and most imposing mosque in Europe.

The most striking thing when one arrives in the city by train are the fascinating mosques framed by the green, luxuriant, wooded, watery countryside. Rotterdam has the tallest minarets in Europe. The city was buzzing when the newspapers published a letter by Bouchra Ismaili, a Rotterdam city councilman: "Listen up, crazy freaks, we're here to stay. You're the foreigners here, with Allah on my side I'm not afraid of anything. Take my advice: convert to Islam, and you will find peace".

A French friend showed me one of Rotterdam's main square, where there is a mosque with Arabic writing outside. "That used to be a church".

Is Islam the destiny for the world's most affluent, relaxed and pacified societies which opted for self-liquidation? And will this decadent, semi-Islamicized Frankestein named "Europe" declare war on Israel?

Posted on Oct 20, 2012 4:59:02 PM PDT
Sixties Fan says:

Hizbullah Rockets, Meant for Jews, Now Killing Syrians

Syrian opposition forces say Hizbullah has been firing hundreds of rockets into Syria on a daily basis.

By Gil Ronen
First Publish: 10/21/2012, 12:00 AM

Hizbullah's rockets were meant to be used against Israel. Instead, it appears they are now being fired at Arabs. Syrian opposition forces say Hizbullah has been firing hundreds of rockets into Syria on a daily basis, and is a full participant in the Syrian civil war.

Speaking to Asharq Al-Awsat, Syrian opposition Local Coordination Committee-member, Mohamed al-Homsi, accused Hizbullah of "intervening in the fighting alongside the Syrian regime with all of its power," adding "Hizbullah is firing its rockets - the same rockets that it claims are to fight Israel - into Syrian territory to kill Syrian people."

Al-Homsi, who is a member of the Homs Local Coordination Committee, confirmed that "between 100 and 150 rockets and mortar shells are being fired by Hizbullah into the Syrian town of al-Qaseer and the surrounding villages on a daily basis, from the group's military positions in Hermel [on the Syrian-Lebanese border]."

He told Asharq Al-Awsat "it has become clear that Hizbullah is taking part, with all of its strength, in this battle, which it considers itself to be a part of." He said the missile barrages were intensifying and that Iranian proxy militia has sent thousands of its troops into Syria to fight rebel forces.

The British Daily Telegraph has also published a report confirming that Hizbullah is launching rocket attacks into Syria. The report quoted a Lebanese resident of the border town of al-Qaa who said: "They are concentrating on hitting the villages where the Free Syrian Army are, to weaken them before launching a ground attack. I have seen the rockets firing; they pass over your head.

There was an eyewitness account by a Telegraph reporter: "Driving across the Hermel plains of the northern Bekaa, 10 miles from the frontier with Syria, The Daily Telegraph could hear the sound of rocket fire. The salvoes came in waves - the dull thuds of the launchers shattering the stillness of the night air as they released their loads. Half an hour later, the tempo quickened to a near constant onslaught, filling the valley with the sounds of warfare until the early hours of the morning."

Local residents said the attacks began six weeks ago.

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Posted on Oct 19, 2012 1:01:19 PM PDT
Sixties Fan says:

History of Jaffa

Jaffa was founded by the Canaanites in the 18 th century B.C.E. It is first mentioned in
Egyptian sources as one of the cities conquered by Pharaoh Thutmose lll in the 15 th
century B.C.E., and appears in the list of his conquests in the Temple of Karnak, Egypt.
The story of the city's capture is related in the Harris Papyrus from Egypt. During the 15th-13th centuries B.C.E. itwas a fortified town under Egyptian hegemony.
In the Tell el-Amarna Letters from Egypt (14th-13th centuries B.C.E.) Jaffa is mentioned
as an Egyptian fortress:

"... and my lord the king will ask his governor whether I guard the gate of the
city of Gaza and the gate of the city of Jaffa ..."

In the Anastasi ''A" papyrus, an Egyptian document from the 13th century B.C.E., an
Egyptian clerk describes what pleases him in Jaffa:

"And you come to Jaffa and find the field blooming in its season ..."

The Sea Peoples invaded the area in the 12th century B.C.E., and a small Philistine
population inhabited Jaffa at the time. During the period of Israelite settlement (11th
century B.C.E.), members of the Tribe of Dan settled Jaffa and its environs:

"And the waters of the Yarkon, and Rakkonl with the border opposite Jaffa.
Joshua 19:46"

In the days of King Solomonl, Jaffa was the port serving the capital, Jerusalem, and through
it were transported the famous Cedars of Lebanon, to be used in the construction of the
First Temple:

"And we will cut wood out of Lebanon, as much as thou shalt need: and we
will bring it to thee in floats on the Sea of Jaffa; and thou shalt carry it up to
ll Chronicles 2:16"

In the days of the Kingdom of Judah, Jaffa continued to serve as a port city. The story of
Jonah the Prophet's flight via the port of Jaffa is dated to the mid-8th century B.C.E.:

"Now the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,
Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is
come up before me.
But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the Lord, and
went down to Jaffa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare
thereof, and he went down into it ...
Jonah 1:1-3"

In the days of King Hezekiah, Jaffa was conquered by Sennacherib, King of Assyria (701
B.C.E.), a conquest also mentioned on Sennacherib's stele.
The inscription on the famous sarcophagus of Eshmunezer, King of Sidon (6th century
B.C.E.) relates that the king of Persia, Lord of all Kings, granted both Jaffa and Dor to
the King of Sidon. The erection of a temple in Jaffa to honor the Sidonic god Eshmun is
mentioned on a stone dedicatory inscription discovered in Jaffa in 1892. There was, in
fact, a Sidonic settlement in Jaffa from the end of the 6th century B.C.E. in the end of the
4th, under Persian rule. In this period, when the Second Temple was being built (the days
of the Return to Zion), the port of Jaffa was mentioned once again:

"... to bring cedar trees from Lebanon to the Sea of Jaffa ...
Ezra 3:7"

In the wake of the victory of Alexander of Macedon (332 B.C.E.), Greeks settled in Jaffa
because of its importance as a port city on the sea lanes of the Mediterranean. At that
time, the legend of Andromeda's Rock was created. During the 3rd-2nd centuries B.C.E. Jaffa was under Ptolemaic and Seleucid rule. From Area C of the Jaffa excavations comes an inscription dedicated to Ptolemy IV (Philopator), who ruled the Land of Israel from Egypt (244-205 B.C.E.). Also found were coins of the city, inscribed "Joppa."
Simeon the Hasmonean conquered Jaffa in 142 B.C.E.:

"However, Simeon managed the public affairs after a courageous manner, and
took Gazaro (Gezer) and Joppa (Jaffa) ..."
Flavius Josephus, Wars of the Jews 1, 11,2,
[trans. Wm. Whiston,1737, Edinburgh]

"And he high-handedly captured Jaffa, and it served him as a port for ships,
thence to travel to the islands of the sea."
Maccabees I,12:33

Jaffa was an important port for the Hasmonean kingdom until the incursion of Pompey (63
B.C.E.), who removed Jaffa from the domain of Jewish hegemony. In the mid-lst century
Jaffa, under Roman rule, boasted a large Jewish community which was decimated in the
Jewish Rebellion (68 C.E.):

"... however, those that were in it [Jaffa] perceived that they should be attacked
and were afraid of it; yet did they not endeavour to keep the Romans out, but
fled to their ships ... in the morning there fell a violent wind upon them ... nor
was there any place whither they could fly, nor any way to save themselves;
while they were thrust out of the sea by the violence of the wind, if they stayed
where they were, and out of the city by the violence of the Romans ..."
Flavius Josephus, Wars of the Jews lll, IX,2-3,
[trans. Wm. Whiston,1737, Edinburgh])

(full article online)

Posted on Oct 19, 2012 12:57:30 PM PDT
Sixties Fan says:

Yaalon: Disengagement from Gaza Not Really Complete

Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Yaalon: If there's a disengagement, let Gazans get their own water and electricity.

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By Elad Benari, Canada
First Publish: 10/19/2012, 9:33 PM

Moshe Yaalon

Flash 90

Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Yaalon said on Friday that Israel's 2005 disengagement from Gaza is not yet complete, since Israel continues to supply Gazans with necessities such as water and electricity.

"I think that we theoretically disengaged from Gaza but we didn't really disengage," he said during a gathering in Tel Aviv. "The world considers us as being responsible for what happens there. We provide them electricity with which they manufacture the rockets they fire at us. We provide them with water and energy and they use that against us. If there's disengagement, I want to complete that disengagement. Let them desalinate their own water, produce their own energy, let them be connected to Egypt. Then the situation will be clearer.

"Our policy is to against Gaza is deterrence," said Yaalon. "Targeted killing for them is a significant event. It's not a stable situation, so the best defense is to attack. Extracting a price from them is what creates the deterrence. If there was no such deterrent we would receive rockets every day."

Addressing the situation in Egypt, he said, "Egypt will remain unstable for a long time. Economically, Egyptians will have 87 million mouths to feed. In terms of security, the only border that does not threaten Egyptians is the one with Israel, but it's a very problematic security situation as the main problem for us is the Sinai. The Sinai Peninsula has become a haven for terrorism.

"There is an exploitation of non-governance which began already in the days of Mubarak," explained Yaalon. "An infrastructure of terrorist organizations, including Al Qaeda, supported by Iran and Palestinians for whom it is convenient to leave Gaza can be established in the Sinai. Sinai is Egyptian and we have a peace treaty with Egypt. We do not carry out targeted killings in the Sinai, so the terrorists have much greater freedom. We demand that the Egyptian regime show determination and sovereignty, and this will be tested."

Yaalon warned against Egypt's attempts to change parts of the treaty it signed with Israel, saying that "for us this is not an option. If they want to put in a military force, we'll talk about it. But it would be a very bad precedent if we start opening agreements. President Morsi is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but his statements have been cautious. He does not mention Israel, but on the other hand is forced to work under constraints. Although he would very much like to open the peace agreement, at the end of the day he is forced to say that he is committed to it. Because if that does not happen, American money would stop flowing into Egypt. That's why an agreement that isn't backed by interests is not worth the paper on which it was signed."

Yaalon also spoke about the peace process with the Palestinian Authority and said, "[PA Chairman] Abbas does not say he wants two states for two peoples and denies the existence of the Jewish people. He also does not say that this agreement that will bring about the end of the conflict and an end to his demands. The argument with Abbas is about the very existence of Israel.

"When Condoleezza Rice heard [former Prime Minister] Olmert's proposal [to Abbas] she was surprised by its generosity, but Abbas refused immediately," said Yaalon, adding, "I was not surprised by his reaction, because for him to agree to a solution of two states for two peoples is disastrous. He needs the conflict sustained over time. As well, as long as the PA educates young people to wear explosive belts and blow us up, there will be no peace or coexistence. Now the people of Israel know that we tried and it does not work. Abbas has no interest in reaching an agreement with us, but he will blame us. For the past twenty years, the worst terrorist attacks took place during periods of concessions. That's why we need to stand firm."

Posted on Oct 19, 2012 12:47:40 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
Jaffa - The Orange's Clockwork

Filmmaker: Eyal Sivan

This film shows how Jaffa started out as a Palestinian place name before becoming an Israeli brand name and how the orange harvest shifted from being a joint undertaking into a symbol used by both parties in the conflict.

Archive film and photographs show how propaganda was used to erase the memory of a thriving place where Arabs and Jews worked together.

Art historians and political analysts talk about the images which are projected onto their walls, and elderly orange growers remember the time before their world was destroyed.

Please note that this film will only be available to watch online until November 14.

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Well, for us beer drinkers, there's Guiness. I don't take the imported Guiness seriously, as a stout, though. I have a friend in Ireland, who has assured me that if only I'll come to Ireland, I can see for myself that the Guiness that they drink there is completely different, and wonderful!

However, this same friend has told me that many of the Irish are 'relating' to the Palestinians, and see the conflict in pretty much 'Irish Liberation' terms. He says that they have little Palestinian flags hanging by their doors.

I do believe that Ireland has become a hotbed for antisemitism.
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