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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 9:11:39 PM PDT
patrick says:
Finishing orders?

Havent you ehard what started the IAI Kfir program..French refusal to deliver Mirage IIIs or Vs after the 6-day War...then there was the thing over the were-to-have-been israeli missile patrol boats the Israeli agents had to jack from a French port as they were being withheld.
The French military didnt agree with your assessment of De Gaulle as their boy ,which would account for the several attempts on his life by elements of the military.
So 60s and 70s France during 1960s and 70s wasnt a generally socialist state, with most that goes along with that, even if all French Presidents during the period pursued such policies as French nuclear-weapons testing in Polynesia.?
France was not Pro-Arab?
How many Arab terrorists did Israel have to pursue on French soil, because France knowingly harbored them.
Pro Arabist anti-Zionist sentiment was not hard to find in France, same as you dont need to go far to find it in the UK.
Including in the army!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 9:19:28 PM PDT
patrick says:
the airlift, yes.

The Soviets seemed poised to intervene in the encirclement of Egyptian Third Army in Sinai midway to late in the war.
Having discovered that the US arms replenishment airlift to Israel was only being carried out by a handful of USAF transport aircraft, as few as 3 C5s, Nixon ordered that this be greatly stepped up, i think in the event,to around 20 of the USAF heavy transport fleet.
Meanwhile hearing of the Soviet intervention plan, Nixon informed the Soviets that this would be met with the gravest possible response.
Former members of the Russian Mediteranean Fleet even testify that volunteers , if there were such things in the Russian military, were asked for with a view to some kind of Bay of Pigs landing on the Israeli coast itself .
It's hard to even conceive what drove the Russians to such a sudden burst of relative recklessness and misadventure, besides merely the prospect of another Arab-client defeat.

Posted on Jun 14, 2012 10:38:25 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 14, 2012 10:48:19 PM PDT
ipsofacto says:
Some sources claim that Israel received 50 Armée de l'Air Mirage 5's while the French kept the ones built for Israel. Others claim the "Neshers" were delivered as spare parts instead, which weren't embargoed. Not to belittle the achievements of Israel's aircraft industry, but the stolen blueprint story is unbelievable -- in the literal sense of the word.

The French weren't exactly helpful in letting the missile boats slip away, but they didn't try hard to prevent it from happening either. As a case in point, they only learnt from the BBC that the boats had gone missing.

De Gaulle was pro-Israel before the Six Day War. A faction within the army definitely hated him for his stance on Algeria, but any sensible French head of state would've incurred their wrath. France had a hard time coming to terms with the need for decolonisation, but eventually did, by and large.

Posted on Jun 15, 2012 12:50:05 AM PDT
patrick says:
Ill throw in another one.

When an Air France airliner was hijacked out of Athens to Entebbe Uganda in 1976 with a large percentage of Israeli citizens passengers, the Captain is portrayed warning the hijackers that "France will hold you responsible for what happens here"..the hijackers quaked in their boots, or not, and a passenger reminded the blustering French Captain that "France needs Arab oil"

in the event,about a week later, the Israelis stormed the airport terminal , not the French. (probably mercifully)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 3:41:09 AM PDT
briefcandle says:
Don't mock the captain. I think his name was Barcos. He refused to leave when the hijackers said he could, telling them the passengers were his responsibility, come what may. He was fearless. He got the legion d'honneur.
I don't disagree that anyone could have effected the rescue better than the israelis.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 7:49:31 AM PDT
jimmah cahtuh would have done it better

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 1:26:41 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2012 1:27:35 AM PDT
patrick says:
yes, I know he did, and all credit, but on the other side, he would have been aware of the lambasting he'd have taken if he HAD left, nonetheless....possible professional might have approached the world's view of a certain Italian cruise-ship captain's behavior of late, ie, if he HAD bugged out on them.

My point had nothing really at all to do with his mettle in the crisis for his own sake, but rather his naively impotent waving "the big stick" of France to Arab terrorists.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 4:19:07 AM PDT
ipsofacto says:
I dunno, the French GIGN are considered the authority on aircraft hostage rescues. They certainly made short shrift of the Algerian terrorists who hijacked an Air France plane in 1994.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 3:15:51 PM PDT
patrick says:
a good operation, sure-on French soil, in their backyards...and it actually didnt go that smoothly, even though no more hostages were killed..

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 7:27:54 PM PDT
ipsofacto says:
Actually, the French wanted to resolve the hijacking in Algeria, but the Algerians wouldn't let them.

Time magazine lauded the operation as a one of the most successful in history. Knowing the almost habitual bad press the French (para)military receive in the US, it must've been a very good operation indeed.
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