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Is there any example of a successful city, state, territory, nation, area essentially governed and controlled by the majority of blacks at any point in history or today?


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Posted on Nov 7, 2010 9:45:15 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 7, 2010 9:51:24 AM PST
Thanks SPH,
That's better than 95 percent of the posts here. You omitted the Arab slave trade however. It was going on since pre-Islamic times and got much worse with Islam. Slaving in Africa was nearly always in areas in or near Muslim and then christian areas. Sorry to rush this post and leave but I'll get back with a fuller one later. Idiots are lurking here though.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 9:34:37 AM PST
DP: It was Herodotus an eye witness to what the Egyptians looked like who said that they were black, but I guess you, like the mysterous babler knows better.

BPL: Herodotus also said there were people in central Africa with huge mouths in their bellies, no heads, and eyes in their shoulders. He said people in India used giant trained ants for construction work. He was notoriously credulous. Like you.

SPH: Yeah, this is a distraction from the truth. Herotodus did say some crazy things, but he's still a useful historical source. Most historians try to pick out the good stuff from him, and ignore the bad. Saying the people in Egypt were black hardly seems difficult to believe.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 9:33:37 AM PST
"Black would definitely be non-Arabic, which Egypt and most the Mediterrain countries of Africa are. They are also known as Occidental. It does not have to be ugly though. Most everyone else can make a distinction between Arabic-African and Black-African, but I don't know how to help you if you dont' know geography. Morocco, Algeria, Tunsia, Egypt and Libya are above the Sahara and therefore carry the Occidental/Arabic race, all the rest of Africa is considered the sub Sahara and carry the race of most commonly known as Black. "

Once the Arabic peoples came through, sure. However, before that, in areas west of Egypt (Libya, Tunisia) black Africans were quite common. However, I don't think they fit the requirements of the original poster, since they were usually under the control of others. Much of that area was controlled by the Romans, and before that by the Egyptians (Libya was usually a vassal to Egypt), etc. Of course, now that I think about it, that does leave significant gaps between these periods. At any rate, saying they are areas where Arabs live is a painful oversimplification.

Posted on Nov 7, 2010 9:28:28 AM PST
babler, will your 2 pm prophecy be that the sun will rise today? You are that damned good. lol butt

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 9:27:09 AM PST
This may be a reference to the kingdom of Kongo (yes, with a "K"), which was a successful kingdom in Africa when the Portuguese finally got there in the 1400's. Studying the kingdom's in Africa when the Europeans (mostly Portuguese initially) first started trading there is fascinating.
I would recommend getting ahold of this book:
A History of Christianity in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, 1450-1990: A Documentary Sourcebook

It contains a number of primary sources from that period. Long story short: There were a number of kingdoms/states in what one could call Black Africa that were as strong as anything in Europe at the time.

I don't much like the question the original poster asked, but I also know that it is a common question. I've heard the same point made by a number of well-meaning people. Because of that, i think it's important to answer it.
There were a number of strong stable states in "Black Africa," and it is easy to see the radical decline in their strength within a hundred years or so of Europeans arriving.

To answer another, related, question: Didn't the Portuguese simply tap in to existing slave trade in Africa? The answer is "sort of, but that is a distraction from other important issues." 1)The Portuguese would literally just grab/kidnap people when they were down there trading with African states. Honest to God, they would just steal people. Soon they began encouraging others in Africa to do the same, and a few people were willing to kidnap their neighbors to make a ton of money. 2) The Europeans began encouraging wars, and encouraging the warring parties to take captives and convert them to slaves. The practice existed at the time in most of the world, but the Portuguese encouraged it, and the practice expanded tremendously, it seems. So by 1600 it is plain that most of the African states that had been there 150 years prior had collapsed, largely due to a huge decrease in the population, particularly the population of people from 15ish-30ish.

Posted on Nov 7, 2010 9:13:53 AM PST
MissedSerious Babler,
Third time, How does one build a pyramid 2,000 years before the required Pythagorean theorem was discovered? Could it be that Pythagorus acctually plagerized it from the Eyptians?

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Posted on Nov 7, 2010 8:41:26 AM PST
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BPL, Herodotus visited neither Central Africa, nor India. Seems that one of your professional historians or scientists could have explained to you that Herodotus used informants who was in the case of the former describing a masked dancer acting the part of a spirit so common in Africa. As for the latter common sense should tell you that the informant was describing the huge animal used for construction in India the Asian elephant.

Edward G Robinson was a European like all the other Europeans who's people converted to Judaism and now masquerade as the Jews in biblical mythology masquerading as history.

The worlds first calendar dates from 4004 bce. Egypt. Egyptians had by that time charted the circuit of the sun through all the heavenly houses (precession of the equinoxes), one circuit taking shy of 26,000 years.

from an earlier post:
As to the Sumerians, they themselves claim their civilization was brought to them whole cloth, that is fully formed by their God Inki (Egyptian Ankhi) meaning life giver. The very name Sumer derives from the first Egyptian dynasty Pharaoh Smrkht (Sumerkhet).

You wrote three boilerplate novels and claim that I read pop lit. "yes suh white massa yo sho musbe rat boss!" Damn
In the current vernacular; "you butt".

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 6:16:18 AM PST
NKT: How about Egypt? It was only the greatest civilization in the world for about 6,000 years.

BPL: Less than 2,000. Before 2000 BC the Sumerians were more important and by the 3rd century BC the Greeks had conquered Egypt, followed by the Romans in the 1st century. (Cleopatra was an ethnic Greek, being the last ruler of the Ptolemaic dynasty.)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 6:14:39 AM PST
DP: Do either of you read books? lol Babler Mr Arse and BPL.

BPL: Not only do I read books, I write them. I also read books by professional historians and scientists rather than pop lit by crackpots. That gives me an edge up on you, I'd say.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 6:13:51 AM PST
DP: BPL: Casting Charlatan Heston, Yvonne De Carlo and Edward G. Robinson et al as biblical hebrews is equally inane.

BPL: Eddie G was Jewish, Dwight.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 6:13:20 AM PST
DP: It was Herodotus an eye witness to what the Egyptians looked like who said that they were black, but I guess you, like the mysterous babler knows better.

BPL: Herodotus also said there were people in central Africa with huge mouths in their bellies, no heads, and eyes in their shoulders. He said people in India used giant trained ants for construction work. He was notoriously credulous. Like you.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 5:08:17 AM PST
How about Egypt? It was only the greatest civilization in the world for about 6,000 years.

Posted on Nov 7, 2010 5:01:08 AM PST
It just occurred to me that we are on Amazon. Do either of you read books? lol Babler Mr Arse and BPL.

Posted on Nov 7, 2010 4:45:41 AM PST
BPL: Casting Charlatan Heston, Yvonne De Carlo and Edward G. Robinson et al as biblical hebrews is equally inane.

Posted on Nov 7, 2010 4:24:39 AM PST
BPL: It was Herodotus an eye witness to what the Egyptians looked like who said that they were black, but I guess you, like the mysterous babler knows better.

Actually the reliefs show them as identical to the Nubians except in dress.

I will grant that you may honestly believe what you say based on popularized forgeries like the supposed statues of Tetisheri in the British museum or Rahotep and Nofret in the Berlin museum. All these appear as ridiculous oddities to anyone vaguely familiar with Egyptian artistic cannon. Casting Yul Brynner and Anne Baxter as Ramses and Nefreteri in "The Ten Commandments" are equally hoke and hoaxey as the aforementioned statuary.

Lastly, Stones piled upon on one another is a pile not a pyramid, especially after five thousand years. Just look at Greece for proof.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 3:03:08 AM PST
DP: like the Egyptians they practiced circumcision and were black with woolly hair.

BPL: And yet Egyptian reliefs depict Egyptians as pale-skinned and Nubians as black with black facial features. Funny, that.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 3:02:05 AM PST
DP: How did Egyptians build pyramids two thousand years before Pythagorus invented his theorem.

BPL: By piling stones on one another. Duh!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 7, 2010 3:01:33 AM PST
Mr A: Why did Haiti fail after the Haitians successfully mass-murdered their French "oppressors"? The island has been pretty much kept going by Western money.

BPL: And the Dominican Republic, which is the other half of the island? Did the awful negros pull that down, too?

Posted on Nov 6, 2010 9:00:06 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 6, 2010 9:01:21 PM PDT
Mystereous babler
Actually you were eight posts late. I posted a panegyric to Egypt this morning at 12:38 A.M. however I mentioned nothing of melanin, ray guns or Greeks. Your sarcastic shtick is a poor attempt at camouflaging your inability to answer how those backward Egyptians built pyramids without the Pythagorean theorem.

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Posted on Nov 6, 2010 5:55:28 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 6, 2010 8:05:26 PM PDT
mysterious babler,

Apparently it pains you greatly to know that your Greek vaunted miracle is just feel good history for white people. The Greeks themselves admitted their dept to Egypt and Ethiopia but of course you know better. After all you're white. We all know white makes right. Just answer this one riddle for me please. How did Egyptians build pyramids two thousand years before Pythagorus invented his theorem. If you can't answer I'll just assume the Greek miracle like all miracles are just too good to be true.

Posted on Nov 6, 2010 5:03:03 PM PDT
Mr. A says:
Why did Haiti fail after the Haitians successfully mass-murdered their French "oppressors"? The island has been pretty much kept going by Western money.

And Liberia?

Bringing it down to the local level, allegedly Rosewood was an independent, thriving black community before it was destroyed. I saw a movie about it.

The contrast between East St. Louis and St. Louis seems to be typical. I guess that's the legacy of slavery. Sure seems to last a looooong time. Longer than the aftermath of either the Black Death or the Thirty Years' War in Europe. Despite at least a trillion dollars in transfer payments over the past 40 years. Interesting.

Let's cleanse our minds of crimethink by watching "To Kill a Mockingbird" on the boob tube 10 times each.
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