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Posted on Apr 23, 2012 11:53:10 AM PDT
"I wasn't going to the prom anyway"says the wall flower who wasn't invited.

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We weren't going anyway, says Israel after Turkey blocks it from NATO summitAnkara is still waiting for flotilla apology, but also blocks NATO's other efforts to expand partnerships with nonmember statesBy RAPHAEL AHREN April 23, 2012, 6:19 pm
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Ahmet Davutoglu (photo credit: CC-BY-SA Martin Steinbauer/Wikipedia)RELATED TOPICS
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erusalem reacted with composure Monday to reports that Turkey blocked Israel's participation in an upcoming NATO summit because Israel has not apologized for killing Turkish citizens during a maritime raid in 2010. Israel had not planned to attend the summit anyway, officials said.

"It is true that Israel wasn't invited, because Ankara is working hard to prevent NATO from strengthening two partnerships: its Mediterranean partnership because of Israel, and its European Union partnership because of Cyprus," an Israeli diplomatic official said. He added that Turkey was subject to "scathing criticism" from fellow member states for obstructing the development of NATO's ties.

"We didn't plan on attending the summit anyway," the official said, adding that the list of invitees to NATO summits was a matter to be discussed between the alliance and its member states and that Israel was not going to get involved.

Turkish media reported on Monday that Ankara's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, during the alliance's meeting in Brussels last week, vetoed Israel's participation in a NATO summit of heads of state and government, which is scheduled to take place in Chicago next month.

"There will be no Israeli presence at the NATO meeting unless they issue a formal apology and pay compensation for the Turkish citizens their commandos killed in international waters," the Turkish newspaper Hürriyet quotes a senior Turkish official as saying. In May 2010, Israeli naval commandos intercepted a flotilla seeking to breach the Israeli blockade of Gaza. When the commandos came under attack on one of the vessels, the Mavi Marmara, they killed nine Turkish activists, sparking a severe diplomatic crisis between the two countries.

The NATO summit in Chicago is considered one of the diplomatic calendar's most important forums. About 50 heads of state and government are expected to attend, including US President Barack Obama, British Prime Minister David Cameron, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel. Diplomatic heavyweights from non-NATO states and organizations are also scheduled to participate, such as United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, the president of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, as well as the prime minister of Jordan and the president of the United Arab Emirates.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/we-didnt-plan-on-attending-anyway-jerusalem-says-after-turkey-torpedoes-participation-at-nato-summit/

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 11:57:27 AM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Nobody's taking you to the prom, Lawrence A. Dickerson?

Well, you'd probably look a lot better in a dress if you dialed back on the SPAM.

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 12:16:09 PM PDT
`I accuse you of being a Jew!'(Or,'I accuse you of being an anti Semite!)

Egyptian political campaigner shocks TV hosts, who `defend' themselves from accusationsBy GREG TEPPER April 23, 2012, 7:07 pm 3

Campaign manager Gamel Saber rants on Egyptian television. (screen capture from Youtube video uploaded by MEMRI)RELATED TOPICS
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amal Saber, the campaign manager for disqualified Egyptian presidential candidate Hazem Abu Ismail, accused TV hosts last Tuesday and Wednesday of being Jewish. The incident was captured and translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute.

Saber said the accusations were attempts to show how anyone can accuse anyone else of anything and to demonstrate how the media in Egypt "leads people astray."

AP reported that Abu Ismail was disqualified because his late mother allegedly held dual American-Egyptian citizenship, which would prohibit him from running for president.

The incidents occured on Al-Mehwar TV on April 17, and Sada Al-Balad TV, on April 18. Both networks are Egyptian.

Saber accused the moderator of Al-Mehwar of being Jewish, saying, "Riham here is of Jewish origin. I intend to file charges against you tomorrow and you will have to prove otherwise." Saber also said he had "documents showing that she received one million dollars from the Israeli government".

The moderator defended herself by accusing Saber of using smear tactics in calling her a "Jew," saying, "You want to prove how easily you can smear me (with the accusation of being a Jew and in the pay of Israel)," adding, "You are saying that I am of Jewish origin in order to show the viewers how anyone can easily smear someone's name."

A day later, on Sada Al-Balad TV, Saber accused another host of being Jewish, holding up a document with information and a photograph. The moderator responded that the photo was not her, but her co-host. She then made it very clear that the "Jew" smear would not stand, saying, "I do not allow you to accuse me of being Jewish."

Saber then said he didn't accuse her of anything, and the host asked him to leave, adding, "Even if you want to demonstrate how anyone can accuse anyone of anything, I'm asking you to leave because you made this comparison and told me I'm Jewish."

"I was trying to show that the media leads people astay," he said.

The show's host then said she may choose to file charges against Saber, and he left shortly thereafter.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/egyptian-campaigner-youre-a-jew/

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 12:18:32 PM PDT
The mandatory VIP visit to Yad Vashem: A vital history lesson or emotional blackmail?
More and more Israelis - even within the government - say it's a mistake to compel foreign dignitaries to tour the Holocaust memorial

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-inside/

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 12:45:11 PM PDT
Sunday, April 22 2012|Haggai Matar
Palestinian women take back spring as settlers, soldiers look on
For the first time in years, a group of Palestinian women was able to reach the Nabi Saleh spring, which was taken over long ago by settlers. The women vowed to return, hoping to hold on to the spring.

Every Friday for the past three years or so, Nabi Saleh residents, along with Israeli and international supporters, have been demonstrating against the theft of their lands by settlers from the nearby settlement of Halamish. At the focus of the struggle is the attempt to reach the Al-Kous spring, which was taken over by settlers in recent years. Week after week, demonstrators march toward the spring, but are stopped by soldiers who disperse them with tear gas (sometimes aimed directly at protestors and once resulting on the death of a Nabi Saleh resident) with "skunk" water, severe beatings, arrests and more.

On Sunday, for the first time in years, a group of roughly 30 Palestinian women was able to make it to the spring. The group was made up of local women, who were joined by activists from other villages, and supporters from Ramallah and Jerusalem. Soldiers and settlers who arrived at the scene did not stop the women from picnicking around the spring. After a few hours, the group left, vowing to return.

"The point of this direct action was to reclaim what the settlers have stolen from us," says Irene Nasser, one of the activists. "Many of us were very excited about being able to reach this beautiful place, after dozens of demonstrations during which we were barred from going there. The uniqueness of the action was also in that it was about women taking the popular struggle into their own hands and leading it together."

Nasser believes that the soldiers did not react this time both due to the fact that they were facing a women-only group, and as a result of the Shalom Eisner story - in which an officer was caught on video beating a Danish peace activist - and the trauma it caused in the army's ranks. In the coming weeks, the women plan to organize more direct actions, both in Nabi Saleh and elsewhere, in order to both challenge the army and empower the women taking part in the struggle.

http://972mag.com/palestinian-women-take-back-spring-as-settlers-soldiers-look-on/43102/

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 12:46:34 PM PDT
Sunday, April 22 2012|Noam Sheizaf
Defense Min. admits it `never intended to carry out' settler evacuation
The Israeli government is looking for ways to avoid evacuating a settlement built on private Palestinian land.

Ulpana Hill neighborhood in the settlement of Beit El (photo: Yaakov/wikimeida CC-3.0)
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has until the end of the month to try and solve the political crisis over the evacuation of Ulpana Hill, a neighborhood built on private Palestinian land in the settlement of Beit El. Netanyahu has made it clear that he will do everything in his power to keep the settlers on site (though he didn't rule out moving them to a nearby hill, to which there is no private claim).
The Supreme Court ordered the evacuation of Ulpana Hill several months ago, after the Israeli prosecution informed the court that it had issued orders for the houses to be destroyed and the land returned to its Palestinian owners. The government, however, is reluctant to evacuate Jewish settlers regardless of the land's legal status. Over the weekend, several ministers attacked Defense Minister Ehud Barak for his intention to remove the settlers from Ulpana Hill and other "illegal" outposts.
While the international community doesn't recognize the legality of the settlement project, Israel's Supreme Court ruled in the late 70s that the defense minister can allow the construction of Jewish settlements on occupied land, as long as it is not privately owned by Palestinians. The verdict led to the construction of dozens of settlements, which are now home to more than 300,000 Israeli Jews.
In the last decade, several cases of settlements built on private Palestinian land led to Supreme Court rulings ordering the evacuation of the houses. Migron and Ulpana Hill are among the most well-known of those cases. In the case of Ulpana Hill, there wasn't even much of a dispute, since the state itself ordered the evacuation of the houses. But as was the case with many other settlements, the state also provided the infrastructure for the construction it deemed illegal. Some settlers in Ulpana Hill even took mortgages in order to enter their homes.
Israeli governments have always treated settlements - regardless of their legal status - as though they are there to stay permanently.
In an attempt to avoid the evacuation of Ulpana Hill, Netanyahu has formed a committee led by former Supreme Court Justice Edmond Levy to try to find "legal solutions" to the problem. Levy was the only Supreme Court justice who, in June 2005, deemed in a minority verdict that the Gaza disengagement plan was illegal because of the the removal of Jewish settlers from their homes.
Today (Sunday) the right-wing daily paper Makor Rishon reported on an interesting testimony befor Levy's committee. The attorney for the Defense Ministry, Ahaz Ben Ari, informed Justice Levy that evacuation orders issued for Jews in the occupied West Bank were never meant to be implemented.
Justice Levy asked Ben Ari how it is possible that the government builds a road or provides services to a settlement, while at the same time declaring the construction illegal. Attorney Ben Ari answers (my translation):
Due to the apparent contradiction between the fiscal policy [of supporting the construction] and the legal policy, it was decided to issue the evacuation orders but not carry them out.
The government's attempts to bypass the legal system and avoid evacuating even those outposts and houses that Israel itself claims to be illegal says a lot about the chances that Israel will evacuate larger, more established settlements. Still, the confrontation over Ulpana Hill should be put in its political context: Netanyahu's coalition partners are aware of the coming elections, and they are looking to create enough public recognition for their positions. By pushing the evacuation of settlers in the name of "the rule of law," Defense Minister Barak is aiming at the Israeli center, while ministers attacking him are trying to establish their position as leaders of the Likud's right flank.
The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) issued a letter to Justice Levy's committee against the flawed distinction between "authorized" and "unauthorized" settlements, claiming that both types "constitute clear and blatant violations of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which concerns the protection of civilians during war."

http://972mag.com/defense-min-official-settler-evacuation-never-intended-to-be-carried-out/42998/

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 12:50:09 PM PDT
'60 Minutes' profiles Palestinian Christians, Michael Oren falls on his face
by Adam Horowitz on April 22, 2012 121
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The above story ran on 60 Minutes tonight. It's a powerful piece showing life under occupation, and a damning portrait of Michael Oren as the chief spokesperson for Israel's unjust control over the West Bank. On the onerous permit regime that limits freedom of movement and defines Palestinian existence in the occupied territories Oren says, "It's their inconvenience, it's our survival." Oren tries to blame the dwindling Christian community in the West Bank on Islamic extremism, and Palestinian Christians interviewed nearly break out laughing. Not surprisingly, Oren calls Israel's Christian critics anti-Semites.

But perhaps the most revealing part of the show was Bob Simon sharing that Oren had complained to CBS News head Jeff Fager before the segment had even been aired, calling it "a hatchet job."

From 6o Minutes:

For Israel, there could be serious economic consequences. According to Israeli government figures, tourism is a multi billion dollar business there. Most tourists are Christian. Many of them are American. That's one reason why Israelis are very sensitive about their image in the United States. And that could be why Ambassador Oren phoned Jeff Fager, the head of CBS News and executive producer of 60 Minutes, while we were still reporting the story, long before tonight's broadcast. He said he had information our story was quote: "a hatchet job."

Michael Oren: It seemed to me outrageous. Completely incomprehensible that at a time when these communities, Christian communities throughout the Middle East are being oppressed and massacred, when churches are being burnt, when one of the great stories in history is unfolding? I think it's-- I think it's-- I think you got me a little bit mystified.

Bob Simon: And it was a reason to call the president of-- chairman of CBS News?

Michael Oren: Bob, I'm the ambassador of the State of Israel. I do that very, very infrequently as ambassador. It's just-- that's an extraordinary move for me to complain about something. When I heard that you were going to do a story about Christians in the Holy Land and my assum-- and-- and had, I believe, information about the nature of it, and it's been confirmed by this interview today.

Bob Simon: Nothing's been confirmed by the interview, Mr. Ambassador, because you don't know what's going to be put on air.

Michael Oren: Okay. I don't. True.

Bob Simon: Mr. Ambassador, I've been doing this a long time. And I've received lots of reactions from just about everyone I've done stories about. But I've never gotten a reaction before from a story that hasn't been broadcast yet.

Michael Oren: Well, there's a first time for everything, Bob.

This was the 60 Minutes gotcha moment. Be sure to watch it, the reaction shots of Oren are priceless.

There are also supplemental videos available on the 60 Minutes website including this on Palestinian Christian support for BDS:

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/60-minutes-profiles-palestinian-christians-michael-oren-falls-on-his-face-defending-israel.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7406228n
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7406236n

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 12:52:12 PM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
Does anyone really bother to read LADs nonsense? Not in the slightest. I wonder why the guy goes through the effort to post his propaganda when nobody bothers to read it or care about it. Delusional.

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 12:53:44 PM PDT
What '60 Minutes' & Bob Simon got right and wrong

by Yousef Munayyer on April 23, 2012
If you haven't seen it, yesterday's installment of CBS's long-running news program "60 Minutes" included a very important segment where journalist Bob Simon investigates what is behind the dwindling presence of Palestine's Christian population. The segment was powerful and overall very positive. Here is what Bob Simon got right and what he got wrong:

What he got right: The question of the status of the Palestinian Christian population in Palestine is not a new one. In fact, the broader question of 'Christian Flight' has long been around, particularly in western discourse. Often, however, investigations into this question in the past have looked superficially at population numbers and come to conclusions without any rigorous inquiry.

What Bob Simon got so right was his approach to the story. To find out what was bothering Palestinian Christians, Bob Simon thought it might be a good idea to talk to them, their representatives and the leaders of their institutions. This shouldn't be revolutionary, but when it comes to the question of Christians in Palestine in the mainstream US media, allowing Palestinian Christians to actually speak for themselves is sadly novel.

Perhaps this is why the segment managed to draw ire from the Michael Oren, the Ambassador of Israel, even before he saw it. Bob Simon asked Oren how he could draw conclusions about a report he has yet to see. Oren stumbled to respond to a rather straightforward question, first half-saying he assumed it would be bad for Israel then saying he had 'information'.

Unless Oren and the state of Israel has a network of spies at CBS the only information he must have had is who Bob Simon spoke to: Palestinian Christians. I'm sure Oren was also able to figure out no official representatives of the State of Israel were interviewed either. So, what set off alarm for Oren was that Palestinian Christians where actually going to have an opportunity to narrate their own story to a national American audience.

That is all Oren the 'information' needed to freak out and Bob Simon, recognizing how ridiculous this was, gave Oren the opportunity to expose himself to an national American audience. Bob Simon did not intend his piece to be a comment on the way Israel attempts to control the discourse on Palestine and Palestinian Christians, but Michael Oren made that especially news worthy.

The Anastas house, (pictured left) which is surrounded by Israel's apartheid wall on three sides and was featured in the CBS segment, is very much symbolic of the larger issue Oren helped Simon expose. Michael Oren and others want to wall-off the discourse so only one angle, one direction, one perspective- the official Israeli perspective- is visible. Bob Simon's segment busted through some of these walls by simply going to the source of the subject matter; Palestinian Christians.

Simon's segment made clear that Israel isn't targeting Palestinian Christians as Christians, rather they are targeted by Israeli policies because they are Palestinians. Israel is an Equal Opportunity Occupier and its walls, checkpoints and restrictions do not discriminate between Christians and Muslims. There is no doubt, however, that Palestinian populations in cities like Bethlehem and Jerusalem, which have historically been home to a significant number of Christians, face some of the most severe effects of Israeli policies.

By giving voice to Palestinian Christians and by showing how this community in Palestine was particularly vulnerable to Israeli occupation, Simon struck a devastating blow at a pillar of Israeli propaganda which became most prominent after 9/11; that Israel is at the front lines in a common Judeo-Christian battle against Islamism.

The Israel Lobby's alliance with American Christians, particularly evangelicals, is a integral part of its successful efforts to influence American policy makers. How Israeli policies effect Palestinian Christians might change this and there were stirrings of concern in the Jewish community about a change in this relationship prior to Simon's 60 Minutes segment. Thus, the preemptive strike against CBS was entirely predictable.

Oren seemed to be at a loss for words at some points and when Simon, a veteran journalist, told him he had never in his years of reporting received complaints on a story before it aired Oren replied "Well, there is a first time for everything, Bob."

Oren's right, there is a first time for everything. This is the first time that an Israeli Ambassador's intimidation tactics were so bravely turned against him by a journalist who just wasn't going to take it any more. Hopefully it is a harbinger of things to come.

The Israeli Ambassador is right to complain of a 'hatchet job' but he was the one who brought the hatchet then proceeded to turn it on himself. Simon just kept the cameras rolling.

What he got wrong: Bob Simon made one glaring factual error which was disappointing. Almost in passing, as he narrates over imagery of Israel's wall in the West Bank, Simon says that: "Israel built the wall over the last 10 years, which completely separates Israel from the occupied West Bank." But, of course, this is far from true. In fact, the wall cuts deeply into the West Bank and is not built on the green line, the West Bank's perimeter. What makes this error more disappointing is that in an 60 Minutes segment that Mr. Simon did in 2009 (also very much worth watching) he described the wall's path far more accurately:

"Israel is building what it calls a security wall between the West Bank and Israel to stop suicide bombers. The Palestinians are furious because it appropriates eight percent of the West Bank. Not only that. It weaves its way through Palestinian farms, separating farmers from their land. They have to wait at gates for soldiers to let them in."
Overall, this story was a very important expose of Israel's treatment of Palestinians and also how Israel attempts to regulate mainstream American discourse on the issue. For this, we have to thank Bob Simon and the folks at 60 Minutes, and of course, Ambassador Michael Oren.

For how much longer will Israel's oppression of the native Palestinians last? For how much longer will the US mainstream media hesitate to tackle this issue and give voice to Palestinians?

The clock is ticking and thanks to this 60 Minutes segment last night it is ticking a little faster this morning.

This post first appeared on the Palestine Center blog Permission to Narrate.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/before-60-minutes-piece-aired-jewish-federations-called-for-flood-of-discourse-to-cbs-whats-next-locusts.html

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 1:10:26 PM PDT
You folks are the biggest hypocrites but Rachel and Jeff take the cake,complaining about about the Jews vs Goyim posts which was clearly posted as a report to KYNN's masterful piece on the thread for self identified anti Semites.

Every one of you posted there as though you ate your Kixs before gleefully throwing insults and names.How can you justify in your minds that one is worse than the other when all threads that have deteriorated to nothing but such negative commenting detracts from any positive influence?

I guess it is another case of "My way or the highway".

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 1:24:42 PM PDT
Rachel says:
The best word for you Is Cretin!

Rachel

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 1:52:16 PM PDT
Israeli celebrity says she enjoyed video of IDF attacking Danish activist because he looked like a Nazi
by Dena Shunra on April 18, 2012 223
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Irit Linur (Photo: Doron Golan/Jini)
Author and talk-show celebrity Irit Linur explained how pleased she was to see the Israeli officer slam the butt of his rifle into the face of the (unarmed, nonviolent) Danish peace activist. She said his golden hair made him look like a member of the Hitlerjugend, and said about him and other activists: "they were born anti-Semites and will die anti-Semites" - a shameful slander, especially considering what the Danes, whose underground was granted a blanket designation as Righteous Among the Nations for their efforts during World War II to rescue the Danish Jews.

The shouts "anti-Semite!", which appear to be a recurring Israeli response to any and all opposition, are becoming comical - but slandering Danes like that is no joke.

Transcript:

[One the one hand they say it causes] embarrassment in the IDF and that the pictures are hard to view, and on the other hand they broadcast it a dozen times in a row. [laughs]
And me - every time - first of all it's scary, because you actually see the weapon, it's smashed into the face of the peace activist in a really surprising way. It's scary at first, because - my nose hurt from seeing it.
After the fifth time I say: "show me again. Can I see it again?"
Now, I want to say things precisely. People are talking about - I really want to be very precise.
First of all, there's a certain something in the image, of the Jew wearing his yarmulke [religious hat], who looks, you know, like one of the householders in [Jewish] town, and standing against him is the golden-haired Dane, with the Hitler-Jugend look to him.
The role reversal - I really-really liked it.
But I don't' want to talk about the black chasm in my soul that is haunted by anti-Semitism and Nazism.
I want to say this: all those people who want to solve problems that they have no clue about, and that in any case, they tend to be on the wrong side of it - because they were born anti-Semites and will die anti-Semites - one of the reasons that they come here, of all places, is that it's a kind of summer camp, they know that they'll maybe demonstrate, they may bump shoulders with policemen, maybe they'll get some teargas thrown at them, they'll catch a bit of actual battle time - a kind of adventure summer camp, at the end of which they'll go back to their privileged northern nation and homeland and feel how good they've been.
They don't go do that in Syria, nor in Iran nor in Jordan, nor in Egypt, because they know that there - they'd be shot at.


A sharp-eared friend in Israel picked this up on Israel's military radio. The original piece - full length, not just the 96 seconds with the slander - is from here.

http://glz.co.il/index.aspx

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/israeli-celebrity-says-she-enjoyed-video-of-idf-attacking-danish-activist-because-he-looked-like-a-nazi.html

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 1:54:05 PM PDT
Barghouti to U.S. Jews: I know you don't like the word apartheid, but what do you call a system that gives a settler 50 times more water than a Palestinian?
by Philip Weiss on April 17, 2012 49


Mustafa Barghouti

On March 26, at the J Street conference in Washington, D.C., Palestinian leader Mustafa Barghouti described apartheid in Palestine to a largely-Jewish audience. As he spoke, you could have heard a pin drop in a room jammed with 500 people hearing about the one-state option. His comments have resonated in the weeks since. It is a marvel, and a tragedy, that this description of Palestinian conditions has not been published in America. Here is a substantial portion of his remarks. Halfway down is his description of apartheid and segregation. At the end is his explanation of why nonviolent resistance and international solidarity are the Palestinians' only weapon today.

Let me remind you that back in the 40s, the Palestinians wanted a one-state solution. It was under lots of Israeli pressure and international pressure that the Palestinian national movement decided in 1988 to accept a compromise, and that compromise was, two state solution. When we agreed on that, we accepted to have a state in 22 percent of the land of historic Palestine instead of 44 percent which we should have had according to the Partition plan of 47. So this was a very painful compromise.

During the last 30 years maybe, or 25 years, what we've witnessed is a process where Israeli governments have been ... compromising the compromise. And that's why we find ourselves in a very difficult position today. To many Palestinians, after signing the Oslo agreement, today they feel that they have discovered that they were living in an act of deceit. That the two states option was not really meant to produce a two states option but to produce a system of segregation and apartheid.

The main factor that is destroying the two states option has always been there, which was the continuation of settlement activity. If Palestinians have made a mistake, their biggest mistake was to agree to sign an agreement in Oslo without insisting first on freezing all settlement activity. This was a mistake and should not have been done. [Applause.]

Today to ask Palestinians to go back to the table of negotiations again while settlements continue to happen is like asking two people to sit down around a table, negotiate over a piece of cheese, and one side is stuck behind bars and walls, that is the Palestinian side, and the other side is eating the cheese. At the end of the day there will be nothing left to negotiate about, that is the reality.

In one way or another, their Israeli government, their United States government, their majority of people in this game-- are putting in the hands of the settlements the right to decide the future. That is the problem. With the continuation of settlements, the whole solution of two states becomes impossible.

What we are witnessing today is a creation, or a consolidation to be precise, of a system of segregation and Bantustans. The proposals to Palestinians to stick together in what is called an interim solution in less than 37 percent of the West Bank in the form of separate ghettos from each other-- and having that as a solution.

Some people might not like the word apartheid, when we say that we live in a system of apartheid and segregation, and I understand why you wouldn't like it. Because there is nothing to be proud about having a system of apartheid and segregation in the 21st century. But as Menachem [Klein] said, we actually live in that system. It's one regime.

What is apartheid? Apartheid is a system where you have two laws, two different laws, for two people living in the same area. If you don't like the word apartheid, give me an alternative to a situation where a Palestinian citizen is allowed to use no more than 50 cubic meters of water per capital year, while an Israeli illegal settler from the West Bank is allowed to use 2400. How would you classify a situation where the Israeli gdp per capita is about $30,000 while a Palestinian's gdp per capita is less than $1400?

Yet we are obliged to pay the same prices for products as Israelis do. More than that: We are obliged to pay double the price for electricity and water that Israelis do though they make 30 times more than we do.

Segregation of roads is another issue. This is the last place on earth, actually the first place on earth where people have been segregated with roads. I'm talking about roads in the West Bank, major roads are exclusive to Israeli settlers or army or Israeli citizens.

I cannot describe to you to the level of violation of human rights.. we've left to see Israeli army using dogs against our nonviolent settlers in the most vicious way. Which reminds us of what happened during the Segregation system here in the United States.

So the problem is very clear. Of course it is either two states or one state. But the reality is, What we are witnessing today with the passage of time is that people will be [left] with one or two alternatives. Either it's a segregation apartheid system, or one democratic state system,. This is the choice we will all face unless some kind of a miracle happens and I don't know what that miracle is.

The two state solution will not happen because the balance of power is so skewed in the interest of one side. That's why were opting today for nonviolent resistance and opting for a strong international solidarity movement, because we want to change the balance of power.

When do we decide that the two state solution is over? What is the time point at which we both decide that it is over and say, two state solution cannot work anymore? I don't know. Maybe we've crossed the line already. Maybe we're about to cross it.

But the fact that you're having this discussion at this conference this day in DC is an indicator that we have either crossed the line or are about to cross it.

Second, There is no way you can have a Jewish democratic state and keep occupation and oppression of another people. [applause] It's impossible. We cannot have this operation. Not only because from a moral point of view it is inconsistent with your history and Jewish tradition, but because we as Palestinians, as people, will never accept to remain slaves of occupation. That has to be understood.

...If the two state option is dead, please understand me, this time it will not be Palestinian responsibility. As many of you would say, the Palestinians were responsible in 1947 for not having the two state option. This time it is an Israeli responsibility and no one can avoid that.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/barghouti-to-u-s-jews-i-know-you-dont-like-the-word-apartheid-but-what-do-you-call-a-system-that-gives-a-settler-50-times-more-water-than-a-palestinian.html

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 5:06:11 PM PDT
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Omnimus says:
john,

SPAM? Just tally the messages the posted that you have made with any comment that had anything but a snide remark.
You bat in the low .100, likely .035. They would throw you out of a kiddie league, even if your dad was the manager, ..wait, your own father would toss you out!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 5:06:55 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
So, you've gained control of a SPAM mine, Lawrence A. Dickerson?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 5:40:12 PM PDT
Rachel says:
John M. Lane:

Is he the canary of the mine?

Love Always,
Rachel

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 5:42:12 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Dear Rachel,

He might be! LOL !!!!

Love,
John

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 6:30:08 PM PDT
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Posted on Apr 23, 2012 6:30:45 PM PDT
Omnimus says:
And you say you are a CHRISTIAN JOHN?

Revelation 3:9
New International Version (©1984)
I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Look, I will force those who belong to Satan's synagogue--those liars who say they are Jews but are not--to come and bow down at your feet. They will acknowledge that you are the ones I love.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie-behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet and they will learn that I have loved you.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie-- I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 6:33:32 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
I'm still waiting for you to answer my question to you, Omnimus.

Are you a Christian?

If so, do you remember that our Savior was a Jew?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 6:53:04 PM PDT
William B says:
John:

RE: If so, do you remember that our Savior was a Jew?

Not for this clown, Omnimus, John. His creed from:

http://overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_10.html

Specifically states that "Jesus was not a "Jew.""

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 7:21:45 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
That's the old "Positive Christianity" conjured up by the Nazis in the 1930s. They also replaced the BIBLE with MEIN KAMPF and the Cross with the Swastika, William B.

They considered Jesus to have been the child of stranded Vikings, hence not of "Jewish blood."

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 8:44:59 PM PDT
William B says:
John:

RE: "...the child of stranded Vikings..."

In Bethlehem? Wow, those ancient waterways were really a wonder, hey?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 8:48:25 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Yes, those Vikings got around, William B. It must have been all that "Aryan blood" that contributed to their mobility.

LOL !!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 9:40:36 PM PDT
J. Schwarz says:
You are a sick puppy. Maybe you should seek treatment for your Jew hate? A nice Jewish shrink should explain to you why you are such a sicko.
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