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Posted on May 12, 2012 7:20:57 AM PDT
Oh...I see that f4a already composed a list. It took me forever to just round up the Asain and North African ones.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 7:21:58 AM PDT
Ku says:
Why don't you call every U.S. defense attaché a 'base'?

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 7:24:11 AM PDT
Ku:
Didn't you read my definition of base? I take it you have no military background?

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 7:25:12 AM PDT
Ku says:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_military_bases_in_the_world.svg

I'd look at the ones with more than 1000 troops.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 7:28:32 AM PDT
Ku says:
I'd rather look at the wiki definition

"A military base may go by any of a number of names, such as the following:
Air station
Armory (military)
Arsenal
Barracks
Casern
DoDAAC
Facility
Fortification
Garrison
Installation (in the generic)
Joint base
Magazine (artillery)
Marine Corps base
Military airbase, airfield or field
Military camp
Naval air station
Naval base
Naval dockyard
Post
Presidio
Proving ground
Reservation
Shipyard or yard
Station"

Of course, if the U.S. military has a shed somewhere, it's a base.

Posted on May 12, 2012 7:29:54 AM PDT
F4a:
You say: "There are a few non-member State such a Taiwan, but I think we have a base there."

We certainly DO have a base in Taiwan. If not, I was hallucinating the entire time I was there.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 7:32:15 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Yes, I've been around this mulberry bush many times with f4. It's a very jejune notion of political reality.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 7:36:12 AM PDT
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Ku:
"Of course, if the U.S. military has a shed somewhere, it's a base"
No Ku, a shed is not a base. You are being a very silly person. And, yup, no military background.

How about thanking us for fullfilling your wish and supplying you with those much wanted lists.

Making remarks about sheds being bases doesn't cut it.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 7:42:15 AM PDT
S.K.:
I can't speak to your other experiences with f4a, but he's right about the bases, installations and sites. Ku is wrong.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 7:44:05 AM PDT
Ku says:
Are you kidding me?

f4all posted a list of U.N. member states.

Nothing to do with U.S. military bases.

Didn't you get that?

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 7:44:46 AM PDT
Ku says:
It's a terrible nuisance.

I only engage him because it makes me order my thinking on the subject when I post.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 7:55:24 AM PDT
Ku:

You don't get the sheer magnitude of our military presence in the world. The ONE site f4a questioned, Taiwan, I know from first hand experience we have a base on. More than one actually.

And trust me when I tell you that we have sites you will never know about. And some of those so-called sheds are more important than a base or post with 5,000 personnel.

Wiki doesn't know it all.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 8:05:25 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 12, 2012 8:07:42 AM PDT
Ku says:
I've said there's a global military presence. On this thread. But not in 185 countries. That's all I said.

There's nothing in China, Russia, North Korea, Iran.

There's nothing in Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Sweden and a bunch of other European neutrals.

Re Taiwan, there's Cha Shan Air Base/ Hualien Air Base according to

http://www.militarytravelzone.com/us-military-bases.html

I'm gonna go through that list to get a better picture.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 8:12:55 AM PDT
Ku says:
"You might as well accept that Bhutan, Cuba, Iran and North Korea are about the only places that we don't have a base, installation or site."

Cuba? Guantanamo Bay.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 9:53:10 AM PDT
f4a,
Are you equating the Marine guard detail stationed at each of our Embassys with a military base?

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 10:04:13 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Whomper: the poor sit around and whine about their govt handouts

SK: News flash: the vast majority of the "poor" are working poor. You ever watch someone work who is cleaning your office, cleaning your restaurant tables, doing your laundry, mowing your lawns, stocking shelves at the supermarket and doing a thousand other tasks that pay at or near minimum wage? These people are poor and they work HARD. They do the heavy lifting in society so the middle class and wealthy don't have to. We were poor when I was growing up. My mother worked in laundromats and in garment industry sweatshops to put food on the table and keep a roof over our heads. Think before you lump all the poor into your imaginary whining class, okay?

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 10:26:01 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
I'm not qualified to discuss anything about U.S. bases or his definition of empire. I don't have a dog in that fight.

I'm more concerned with f4's pie-in-the-sky worship of anarchy-capitalism which fails to face the realities of human nature and the real role of government.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 10:26:54 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
Me, too, actually. It's a mental exercise for me to respond to f4 and a lot of other posters who beat the same drum on here.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 10:44:55 AM PDT
Yes, certainly there's a naval base in Guantanamo Bay. We have territorial control there as of 1903, the Cuban/American Treaty, which I believe is a perpetual lease, but I would have to look that up. In a rough manner of speaking Cuba has no more rights there than South Carolina did at Fort Sumter once they seceded. (I say "a rough manner of speaking" because I realize it's not exactly the same situation) Technically we do not have a base in Cuba, only in U.S. Territory connected to the island of Cuba. It makes a difference.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 10:56:15 AM PDT
S.K.
I don't spend enough time here to know what everybody's politics are. I just jump in when I see something I can relate to in one way or another. I can definitely relate to things military. Sometimes jumping in works, sometimes it doesn't. And then I get busy and disappear for a year or so and REALLY don't know what's going on. :-(

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 11:03:57 AM PDT
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Ku:

LOL. I don't need Military Travel Zone to tell me about Taiwan. I spent six years there. On a military installation that was NOT Cha Shan Air Base / Hualien Air Base. Remember what I said about those installations that you aren't going to know buggar about? There's no place on this internet that you will find the information.

Oh, and Ku, if you prefer Wiki's definition of what a base is ("I'd rather look at the wiki definition") to what the Department of Defense says, why don't you want to accept what Wiki says about the number of U.S.deployments around the world? I quoted that in my very first post. The one where you said I was morphing the discussion from one about number of countries to one about number of installations.

"The military of the United States is deployed in more than 150 countries around the world." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

I know, you're going to split hairs and say a deployment is not a base. Fugget-a-boudit. Deployment is deployment, whether it's a base, post, shed or ship.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 12:37:08 PM PDT
Ku says:
Who cares where you spent your time?

The U.S. doesn't have a military presence in 185 countries.

I don't know why you can't get that into your skull.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 1:12:42 PM PDT
Ku:
You need to find someone else to order your muddled, armchair thinking on. I don't have time for childish snits. "Who cares..." That might work on someone at the third grade level.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 1:14:06 PM PDT
Ku says:
Why don't you say whether you agree with the notion of an American Empire?

That might be more useful.

In reply to an earlier post on May 12, 2012 2:55:22 PM PDT
reply to S. Kessler's post:

but govt ignores its real role
and gets sidetracked into all kinds of wasteful fraud and abuse spendign to help get reelected
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