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Initial post: Apr 16, 2012 4:36:05 PM PDT
B. A. Dilger says:
Apparently researchers have found a genetic link to alleged victims of PTSD:

http://www.military.com/veterans-report/study-finds-ptsd-gene-link?ESRC=vr.nl

Now those that can't prove to have a predisposition for the combat-enhanced condition are denied benefits? Look, as long as there has been a written history of humanity there has been warfare. Did Ugarit or Memphis combatants suffer the stress and horror of war? Why is there suddenly a family link to modern warriors that can be identified by science? Would anyone agree that war is h*ll?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 4:39:52 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Although there might be some genetic links involved with how different people handle stress, I don't think it's fair to use something like that to deny benefits to combat vets.

I agree with you about the nature of war. It's H*ll.

Posted on Apr 16, 2012 4:44:01 PM PDT
I spent a year in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom and have been in Afghanistan for almost two years now. There are certainly some individuals who suffer from PTSD. Some units take hostile fire on a daily basis, some have been inside vehicles that have been hit with rockets and/or run over IEDs multiples times. I was at FOB McClain when a VBIED was detonated and destroyed 30% of the perimeter. PTSD can be real, but it is also, much like ADD, over-diagnosed. Some people will see combat 300 times in 365 days and not think twice about it. Others will be at a COB that gets hit by a mortar once and have nightmares. It all boils down to the individual.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 4:45:17 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Thanks for your service and welcome back, G. Cates.

Posted on Apr 16, 2012 4:47:50 PM PDT
I'm still in Afghanistan. :) It's 4:17AM here and I'm rather bored.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 4:51:32 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Stay safe, G. Cates. It's about supper time here in Montana.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 5:36:32 PM PDT
B. A. Dilger says:
G. Cates----Thanks for your service to this country. That area will always be the armpit of the world, but stay safe. And use those benefits you're accruing when you're CONUS, we need tech help badly.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 5:39:16 PM PDT
B. A. Dilger says:
John M. Lane----Greetings! Perhaps they'll develop a "test" to determine service eligibility. Genetic testing is our next boogieman.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 5:42:13 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Could be, B.A. Dilger. If Obama wins a second term, I anticipate that they'll reinstate the draft and exempt all Democrats. The rest of us will be marching to Pretoria, or wherever.

The new eligibility ages will be 9 to 90 for the GOP. We'll be sort of geriatric Foreign Legion, especially during election years.

Posted on Apr 16, 2012 5:45:25 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 16, 2012 5:46:49 PM PDT
Lientje says:
John M. Lane: "Could be, B.A. Dilger. If Obama wins a second term, I anticipate that they'll reinstate the draft and exempt all Democrats. The rest of us will be marching to Pretoria, or wherever."

*****
Even you are not that dumb.

Oh wait, are you from the south or from Texas? If so, maybe you are right.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 5:46:28 PM PDT
I think that was a form of reductio ad absurdum.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 5:54:34 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Thanks, G. Cates. Lily White is a little slow sometimes, although she's posted that she was an attorney for six decades.

If she offers to represent you, I'd ask for a referral.

Posted on Apr 16, 2012 6:04:24 PM PDT
I already have an attorney on retainer...I can do without any additional legal representation at the moment.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 6:21:35 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
Good plan, G. Cates. You're truly squared away. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 8:39:47 PM PDT
Lientje says:
John M. Lane: "although she's posted that she was an attorney for six decades."

Huh?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 8:44:00 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
I love the snappy comeback, Lily White. Am I not correct that you posted that you were an attorney of long-standing?

I may have forgotten just how long you've been standing, but long-standing nontheless?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 9:37:21 PM PDT
With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 11:34:55 PM PDT
larry cooke says:
There is NO genetic link to PTSD. Ptsd is not a mental illnes it is an anxiety disorder. The responds to stress comes from what one learns as one grows up. Stress can be different for everyone. I worked as a therapist in a VA PTSD program and saw many men and women with PTSD. PTSD has been around since the Spartans. They came back from war and were isolated b/c they could not live in society. WWI it was called "battle fatigue" and the officers were allowed to shoot military men who could no longer fight. WWII we had men who could no longer fight also because of the stress. In Vietnam this sydrome was seen and was treated with massive doses of IV Valium and sent back to the front. The military creates an anxiety issue during bootcamp so the men and women wil be hypervigilent and can withstand sleep deprevation. The military gives these abilities to survive but does not take it away when one comes home. It is a learned response not a genetic predisposition.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2012 11:37:35 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 17, 2012 5:31:58 AM PDT
B. A. Dilger says:
larry cooke----Thanks for your informative response. Having advanced infantry training myself I can vouch for the stress that is part of the military process. This 'genetic link' deal sounds suspiciously like another attempt to pigeonhole normal human reaction to inhumane conditions. As we've stated war fatigue goes back through recorded history. WWI brought this condition to modern attention with all the vivid descriptions written after the Great War. They had it at in the American Civil War. Today's PTSD is just an acronym for the public to accept as explanation for modern warfare weariness. It's NOT a mental illness, unless it's neglected. This is the fate of our warriors.

Posted on Apr 17, 2012 9:59:30 AM PDT
AxisBeefyBoy says:
"The military creates an anxiety issue during bootcamp so the men and women wil be hypervigilent and can withstand sleep deprevation."

I don't know about this... boot camp is pretty lame.

Posted on Apr 17, 2012 10:13:17 PM PDT
patrick says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 17, 2012 10:15:22 PM PDT
John M. Lane says:
I agree that it can be used as a "cop out," patrick, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a serious problem for vets.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 17, 2012 10:19:37 PM PDT
patrick says:
looks like the 2nd term is almost a lock, and the presidential debates are going to be valium pills as well...they werent that great Obama vs McCain..

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 17, 2012 10:21:01 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 17, 2012 10:24:10 PM PDT
patrick says:
no, I completely agree.

but the example I mentioned, the cases Ive listened to, I really dont agree.
Theres another point. People who take on military service, or are accepted for military service, should be robust-enough for that service.
In no way am I saying that then they could or should be able to take anything, and not have PTSD..
But I think there are people who should never even be there, but for various reasons, are..
the incident with the HMS Cornwall?? border party captured by the Iranians and the behavior of some members of that party in very brief captivity, is an example of that.
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