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Hitler was famous for ranting and raving at his generals


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Initial post: Nov 26, 2012 1:47:45 PM PST
Suet says:
Did any of them reply in kind? I know that Guderian eventually told him where to put it. Any others?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3huKaVZAik

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 2:00:23 PM PST
Susanna says:
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eye watering LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh that just made my day. Thanks!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 2:05:54 PM PST
Debunker says:
I'm not sure if Manstein ever told him where to put it, but he seemed to get his way more than most, especially in the Jan-Mar 1943 timeframe.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 2:38:49 PM PST
Suet says:
I heard that Hitler suspected Manstein was Jewish. His best general, LOL.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 4:47:22 PM PST
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patrick says:
Many of them argued/reasoned assertively/protested with him over many things, same as many Luftwaffe honchos argued with Goering.
Its obvious why any of them would ultimately assert perhaps more caution self-control restraint or caution of a different kind, than the allied moghuls might have when arguing with say Churchill.

Obviously the exception is Stalin.
those remonstrating with him were probably braver men than those remonstrating with Hitler.
I do wonder, however, despite all of his huffing and puffing, if Hitler ever actually ordered anyone shot for daring to disagree argue with him.Ive never actually heard of such an instance, no doubt, threats were frequently made, it was not unusual for him to talk of 'putting a bullet through his head myself" ...and the threats could be made good on if Hitler kept insisting and saw it through.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 10:28:28 AM PST
John M. Lane says:
Guderian was the only one I know of, Suetonius.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 11:33:03 AM PST
R. Largess says:
Raeder confronted Hitler with his resignation.

Posted on Nov 27, 2012 1:10:39 PM PST
Zero Wolf says:
most of Hitler's ravings were thought to be theatrical performances.... sometimes they were not theatrical. the intelligent among German leadership assumed that all performances were "real" and reacted accordingly.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 1:12:21 PM PST
Debunker says:
What about Model and Von Reichenau? They don't strike me as the type to be intimidated.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 27, 2012 4:51:50 PM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
Suetonius says:

[Did any of them reply in kind ?]

Well there was those guys who put the suitcase bomb next to Adolf in the Wolf's Lair compound. Some of them felt he was a raving lunatic.

I don't know if you consider putting a bomb next to someone 'responding in kind'. But it sure wasn't a kind response.

Rommel somehow got implicated in Operation Valkyrie and he was given an offer he could not refuse which included suicide as an option.

I have watched a TV show about Rommel several times where they talk about his alleged involvement in the plot. But no matter how many times I watched it I was never quite sure what his involvement really was if any.

Some of those conspirators got the old piano wire treatment which was filmed for Adolf's viewing pleasure. Those Gestapo guys, always thinking of ways to amuse their beloved Fuhrer.

"Teach the children to pray. I know now what it means."

--Hans Georg Klamroth to his wife and the mother of their 5 children. A Nazi officer himself, and no angel by any stretch even apart from his vocation in the war, he was hung by the Nazis on August 26, 1944, for failing to alert the Nazis to the Wolf's Lair bomb plot against Hitler.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 3:11:35 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 30, 2012 3:31:50 AM PST
Patrick:

In the last days, when his power was at its lowest, Hitler was calling for the summary execution of many men, including high officers whom he felt had disobeyed or deeply disrespected. Of course, he also was drawing up plans for an amazing turnaround and ultimate victory, and some of those plans involved generals and other commanding who were already dead. So, in the last weeks, Hitler was clearly delusional and often his orders were unenforceable. (For instance, he called for the execution of Goering and Himmler, both of whom had already turned themselves over to the Allies.)

An interesting, related point here is what happened to Erwin Rommel, the Desert Fox. (Which I notice Jeff Marzano had also mentioned.) There was strong evidence that Rommel had some tangential connection to the 20 July conspirators. But because of his reputation and popularity, Rommel was offered the choice of committing suicide or being arrested, tried and executed. Only after the war (during the Nuremberg trials), did it become widely known that Rommel's death was a suicide and that it had been forced.

Posted on Nov 30, 2012 6:38:49 AM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
There is a very interesting TV documentary called I think 'Killing Hitler' where they recreate the exact conditions that existed in the Wolf's Lair compound. They rebuilt the conference room to the same specifications, positioned manikins around the room to represent Hitler and the others, and detonated a suitcase bomb that was identical to the actual device.

In the first test the Hitler manikin suffers the same exact injuries as the real Hitler. He had cuts on his legs mainly. I think the blast also blew his eardrum out.

But what had happened is the conspirators were interrupted when they were putting the explosive charges into the case. They had two charges but they didn't have time to wire up the second one.

What they apparently didn't realize is it would not have been necessary to wire up the second charge. If they had just put the second charge into the case it would have detonated when the first one went off, I guess because of some sort of chain reaction.

On the TV show they redid the test with both charges in the case. Hitler and most if not all of the people in the room would have been killed.

How much Hitler's death at that time would have influenced history I don't know.

Too bad though because the conspirators thought they had killed Hitler when they saw the explosion. They threw the second explosive charge out of their car window and the Gestapo found it.

One of those conspirators had experienced the effects of Hitler's incompetence first hand. He had already been badly injured in the war and was missing various body parts.

As I said Hitler escaped from this assassination attempt but not totally unscathed. His hearing got screwed up I think.

People speculate that Hitler had Parkinson's disease also.

Probably the most severe external effect on Hitler's sanity was the drugs they were giving him which included methamphetamine. This drug causes feelings of euphoria and invincibility. It causes severe effects on the brain.

Jeff Marzano

The Mind of Adolf Hitler (Meridian)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 8:59:09 AM PST
Suet says:
It gave Hitler a feeling of invincibility? LOL! As we limeys say: "Coals to Newcastle."

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2012 9:30:50 AM PST
Jeff Marzano says:
Suetonius says:

[It gave Hitler a feeling of invincibility ?]

It certainly does. That's exactly what crystal meth does.

Unlike drug users today who buy meth on the street Hitler was given pure methamphetamine probably which was administered by his personal quack physician.

Although some people today make their own meth. Biker gangs like the Pagans are experts on manufacturing methamphetamine. I think at least some forms of meth are purple in color in the pure form.

The Pagans used to cut theirs with baby laxative. When people used it they would have to go to the bathroom so they thought they were getting 'good' drugs. Who knows what other crap people cut illegal drugs with.

There's a way to manufacture meth in what I think is a cold process where they mix the deadly poisons in a bottle. This is a very strange thing to observe as the chemicals start moving around inside the bottle almost as if they have become alive like some sort of witch's brew.

Cooking meth is a very dangerous process. Hospitals today are seeing people whose batch of meth exploded and burned them in horrific ways.

When the police go into a house where meth has been manufactured they wear chemical warfare gear and breathing devices. Moving into such a house after the fact has caused people to become ill and dogs to actually die.

A lot of meth today is being manufactured in super labs by our good old friends down in Mexico. They can produce a very pure form of this drug called ice. That is like pure methamphetamine.

People who use meth begin to exhibit various forms of mental illness such as paranoia and hallucinations. They claim to start seeing demons which I wouldn't doubt.

Hitler did also. He would wake up in the dead of night and point to the corner of the room and shout:

"Look ! Over there ! Can't you see him ?!"

Meth users can start to become violent and potentially dangerous. Many people in prison today have had issues with meth use.

Many of them smoke it which is dangerous enough but some make the deadly mistake of injecting it intravenously.

Unlike cocaine and heroin which are dependent on the growing seasons of plants methamphetamine is a pure chemical. It does not have that dependency.

A pound of the active ingredient that is used to make over the counter antihistamines sells for $ 70 in China. That same pound sells for $ 10,000 in Mexico on the black market.

That's how lucrative the American drug market is.

Jeff Marzano

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2012 6:52:03 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 1, 2012 6:52:30 AM PST
As to the question of Hitler and Parkinson's(from Jeff Marrzano's post):

There are several German newsreels from the last weeks of the war showing Hitler greeting troops, including new recruits, many of whom look like they had just entered their teens.

In these films, the right hand that he uses to shake hands with the recruits (and sometimes to pat the tenderest of them on the head), that hand is clearly shaking. The left hand is in the pocket of his heavy overcoat and NEVER comes out. From this bit of visual evidence, the notion that he had advanced Parkinson's disease is not at all unlikely.

Unfortunately, there was no autopsy performed on him, the corpse was pretty well incinerated, and no medical report from his last year exists which mentions the disease. But no medical report from that period mentions that he was slipping in and out of insanity either, but reports of his stunningly erratic behavior at that time clearly testify to his loss of sanity.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2012 7:00:44 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 1, 2012 7:06:09 AM PST
Bubba says:
Killing Hitler (2003) BBC (shown on the Discovery Channel in the US)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0360715/

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2012 4:33:51 PM PST
patrick says:
oh, I know that he signed death warrants and ordered executions, one individual thus handled is portrayed in 'Downfall"...bu that isnt exactly what I meant...I pondered if anyone differing with him enraged him to such extent that he ordered them shot, which is sort of the three stooges sketch image we have of him, but I doubt if anyone was actually executed for face to face dissent..

Posted on Dec 1, 2012 4:42:30 PM PST
jpl says:
Hitler was famous for ranting and raving at his generals

jpl: Hitler who?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2012 5:27:19 PM PST
Suet says:
Hitler Schicklgrüber!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 2, 2012 4:37:20 PM PST
Hitler Grubershickel von Grabenrobber der Pfaffenstrickle auf Ulm.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013 3:23:40 AM PST
Hitler never suspected that Manstein was Jewish, it was common for Germans to have names like that.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013 3:26:28 AM PST
No, Hitler never executed anyone for face to face dissent, Hitler wasn't Stalin or Saddam Hussein although apparently the public has a great need to turn him into that.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013 3:49:22 AM PST
Actually Hitler wasn't famous for anything of the sort, most Generals largely agreed with him or were influenced to agree with him after he made his case.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013 9:42:06 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 9, 2013 9:52:54 AM PST
Suet says:
"Hitler never suspected that Manstein was Jewish"

Are you sure? Manstein isn't a Jewish name, and in any case it was the guy's adoptive name. Of course, his birth name was also upper-class Prussian from Polish origins. Would that allay Hitler's suspicions?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013 9:56:00 AM PST
Hitler knew that Germans in the East have Slavic surnames, one of his secretaries had the surname Daranowski. Also, it usually wasn't Hitler who went searching for Jewish ancestry in his associates, there are several cases where it was Himmler or Bormann who uncovered a Jewish relative to get rid of someone who was getting close to Hitler and was a perceived threat to their own power.
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