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Initial post: Jan 9, 2012 9:31:15 PM PST
TN says:
<<Egyptian billionaire and telecom mogul Naguib Sawiris will face trial on charges of contempt of religion after tweeting a caricature of Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse in Islamic garb>>

Anyone who dares mocking Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse deserves death penalty!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 9, 2012 11:22:20 PM PST
Domenico says:
It's about booty. They want his money ! Some around here said "finally" while rejoycing ! And salivating.

Posted on Jan 9, 2012 11:54:35 PM PST
So... what is the "threat" exactly?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 12:04:54 AM PST
John M. Lane says:
Hello PlacidandFriends,

The "threat" is that if you don't agree that Islam is "the religion of peace," they will hunt you down and kill you to prove that it is. At least that's my understanding of the "threat."

I'm a Christian and our response to criticism is either ignore it or send a strongly worded letter of complaint to the editor of whatever periodical published it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 12:55:57 AM PST
"Anyone who dares mocking Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse deserves death penalty!"

You wouldn't, by any chance, be referring to Muslim Mickey, Farfour?

"Muslim TV as megalomaniacally psychotic as you want to be."

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 1:00:44 AM PST
John M. Lane says:
I saw Farfour, cobaltspectre. He/it reminds me of what happens to those fuzzball critters when you get them wet after midnight.


Posted on Jan 10, 2012 3:39:41 AM PST
William B says:
Standard Muslim fare:

"Islamist activists welcoming Haniya were heard chanting slogans like: "Kill the Jews, it is our duty", along with anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian messages.

"There are no Zionists in Tunisia and we don't want to be mixed into the problems of the Middle East," said Trabelsi. "Tunisia is our country."

Tunisia has one of the Arab world's largest Jewish minorities, numbering about 1,500 individuals in a population of more than 10 million.

The population has shrunk drastically from the 100,000 Jews who lived in Tunisia after independence in 1956."

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 4:05:16 AM PST
Hi John Lane,

Who is "they" you refer to?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 7:29:51 AM PST
John M. Lane says:
Hello PlacidandFriends,

My reference was to those Muslims who read the KORAN and act on its exhortation to seek out the non-believers and kill them. That was the motivation of the "martyrs" whose murderous attack on 9-11-01 killed 3,000 of my fellow Americans, none of whom were at war with Islam.

Perhaps you recall that?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 8:08:12 AM PST
Domenico says:
Muslims who live by and want to impose 7th century ''religion'' on people... Muslims AND Non-muslims...

Does it really have to be specified ?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 9:20:58 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 9:46:26 AM PST
Granny ;-D says:
PlacidandFriends says: So... what is the "threat" exactly?
I say this is the best analysis/explaination of your question that I have found.
EDIT:: There is MUCH MORE at the site link .... The ARTICLE is a LOT LONGER.
I will post other links in a bit.

The Muslim Brotherhood in America Defined as "Threat Organization" in DOD Memo
The following recent, unclassified memorandum, a military intelligence analysis of some of the Holy Land Foundation documents, was sent to me by a friend concerned with these issues. For the first time that I know of, the Muslim Brotherhood organizations in the United States are classified as "threat organization" in an official writing.

It also directly addresses the campaign by Truespeak Institute, led by Jim Giurard, to change the language of the war on terrorism.

J. Michael Waller is an important part of that campaign as well, and, in his recent monograph Fighting the War of Ideas Like a Real War: Messages to Defeat the Terrorists argues, a Giurard does, that one should classify Islamist terrorist attacks as _hirabah_ rather than _jihad_.

It is not an insignificant semantic difference, and its importance is given below, and in Waller's own work. Thanks to the work of Waller and Giurard, the concept is gaining some currency in the U.S. counterterrorism community.

I have done nothing to the document except remove the name of the author who did the analysis, at the request of military officials. While this is circulating widely in the Pentagon and policy making circles, I honored that request. Neither the officer who wrote this nor the official who wrote the introduction had any role in giving it to me.

This document is part of a broad debate that is finally being engaged, on the true nature of the Muslim Brotherhood and its affiliated groups in the United States.
*This assessment makes the point that the Muslim Brotherhood should be considered a threat organization and the affiliated US domestic Muslim NGOs and associations identified in the strategy document should likewise be considered part of the Muslim Brotherhood network, that these are "front" functional organizations operating as links and nodes of the overall network.*

*Exceptionally important in the analysis is the role of the "Truespeak" organization and Jim Guirard who has been arguing in DoD circles and academic institutions that the term jihad should be suspended from the GWOT lexicon to be replaced by hiraba. This analysis demonstrates that "Truespeak" contributors are part of the Muslim Brotherhood threat network, with the implication that this entire communication and lexicon effort is part of a strategic disinformation and denial and deception campaign.*

*Those involved in strategic communication or IO, whether senior leaders, practitioners or analysts should take a close note.*
*This analysis begins to provide clear I&W for domestic threats that DoD, DHS and the USG must come to terms with.*

*LTC Joseph C. Myers*
*Senior Army Advisor*
*Air Command and Staff College*
*Maxwell AFB Montgomery, AL*

***** NOTE THIS BELOW ***** to get the whole Muslim Brotherhood plan you need to visit the site.***********

*7 September 2007*
*The following is a brief analysis of a Muslim Brotherhood document entered into evidence in the U.S. v Holy Land Foundation trial (Trial) that the U.S. Justice Department is currently prosecuting in Federal Court. Analysis is based on this document as well as other publicly available documents. (For a broad offering of Trial documents, see here ). The attached documents relate to ISNA and the Trial.*

*The first document is a Muslim Brotherhood memorandum that was accepted into evidence in the U.S. v Holy Land Foundation (HLF) case. The first 16 pages are in the original Arabic and the second are English language translations of the same. It is dated 22 May 1991 and titled "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" (Memorandum). The document includes an Attachment 1 that contains "a list of our organizations and the organizations of our friends." *

*Among those noted in the Attachment are ISNA, MSA, AMSS, AMSE, NAIT, IFC, IPAC, IAP, UASR, ICNA (typo in the second listing) and IIIT. ICNA and ISNA are the only two organizations named in the body of the text. ISNA is additionally represented on the list as IFC (ISNA Fiqh Committee - now the Fiqh Council of North America) and IPAC (ISNA Political Awareness Committee).*

*The second document is a signed letter from Members of Congress Pete Hoekstra and Sue Myrick to the Justice Department dated 28 August 2007 formally requesting that Justice stand down from "co-sponsoring" a conference with ISNA due to its very close relationship to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. Justice attended anyhow. The Memorandum was admitted into evidence at the same time the Letter was sent addressing Congressional concerns.*

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 9:25:38 AM PST
Last edited by the author on May 8, 2012 2:57:26 PM PDT
Granny ;-D says:
Hi Jaqueline, That was the first page.. we are now on page 358. I haven't seen Flacid for a long while.

He/she saw that he/she was out matched and didn't have a chance of winning against our so true points.

come up and join us there... Thanks.

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PlacidandFriends says:
So... what is the "threat" exactly?

I say::
Here is another post that explains the history of Islam & Mohammad
This article is also MUCH MUCH Longer.

""We apologize to anyone who may be offended by the history of the founder of Islam (Muhammad) below. And we are aware of the sensitivities involved. However, infinitely more damage has been done to Islam's "believers" by Islam's history of withholding the truth about its founder to them -- - and the circumstances surrounding its inception -- than any "damage" this true history below can cause.

As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur'an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically "tickle" the ears of Arab listeners. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone "prophet", who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians - back to the 8th century and the Qur'an itself.""

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 9:37:43 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 9:43:09 AM PST
Granny ;-D says:
PlacidandFriends says:
So... what is the "threat" exactly?
Here is a fairly recent declaration ::

Top Muslim Declares All Christians `Infidels'

Quoting the Quran (correctly) may be fueling the recent slaughter of Christians in Egypt.
by Raymond Ibrahim

Raymond Ibrahim, an Islam specialist and author of The Al Qaeda Reader, is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and an Associate Fellow at the Middle East Forum.

October 28, 2011 - 3:00 pm

More articles for your perusal

Here is the site for ACT for AMERICA::

""ACT! for America was founded by Brigitte Gabriel, a Lebanese immigrant who came to the United States after losing her country of birth to militant Muslim fundamentalists during the Lebanese Civil War.

ACT! for America is a non-partisan, non-sectarian organization whose mission is to give Americans concerned about national security, terrorism, and the threat of radical Islam, a powerful, organized, informed and mobilized voice.

Whether the specific threat is violent jihad, stealth jihad, the advance of sharia law, the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood, or the scourge of political correctness which is enabling the rise of radical Islam, ACT! for America stands ready to take action as the largest national security grassroots organization in America.

Through informed community action, education, public policy initiatives and grassroots lobbying, ACT! for America is successfully combating the threat of radical Islam.""

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 9:45:09 AM PST
Granny ;-D says:
New People asking old questions. Thus I have reposted some of my own findings and others that were given to me... I am sure by you Domenico or Irene or others. Thanks to all who have helped me have these links.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 9:48:57 AM PST
libloon2 says:
Grannypapa says: Hirabah

And what is THEIR definition of Hirabah?

If you put it in the posting, please excuse, I plain ol' missed it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 7:04:33 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 7:12:51 PM PST
I've readf the article already and it doesnt showa threat at all. Christians consider Muslims infidels also. This doesnt mean there is a threat eminatd from either.

The rest of your links are to the other nutters voicing manipulative and unfoudned positions, which have btw been refuted and dismissed by ACTUAL academics and ACTUAL, unbiased analysts. The Arab Spring was evidence enough that Middle Eastrern Muslims do not "hate our way of life" as most fools writing on the subject phrase it.

Try harder. I'm open to evidence of an actual threat - but manipulating statements by certian authorities isnt convincing, neither are links to people who have a clear and corrupted agenda.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 7:07:43 PM PST
The article is poor to say the least. It clearly is out to brand Muhammad, from a modern Christian perspective. By its same logic, all of the Jewish prophets were "lustful, raping, waring, merciless buthers - far more so in fact. The Bible has plenty of infatnicidal and genocidal tendencies - something you cant find in the Quran without serious manipulation. But Jewish authorities still do not take them as absolute, because like any religion, it has developed over time. Isnt it interesting how all this "Islamic threat" bs has only came out AFTER 9/11? If it were so evidence, why was it not voiced so ardently before by the people you mention?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 7:10:34 PM PST

You said:
Muslims who live by and want to impose 7th century ''religion'' on people... Muslims AND Non-muslims...
And who are these?

You said:
Does it really have to be specified ?
Yes, since most of the comments here are branding all Muslims and all of Islam as fostering the agenda you describe above. In fact, they dont want a return to the 7th century at all, rather they seek to create a modern manmifestation of what they see as the "true" Islam, hence they need relatively modern ideological doctrine, ie texts, schoalrs etc, rather than traditional or original sources of Islamic law and tradition.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 7:11:36 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 7:12:14 PM PST
J. Schwarz says:
Are you living in a bubble? Do you ever read the newspapers? In the last 2 weeks three attacks on Christians living in Nigeria while they attended a church. Over 45 dead. Out of the over one million Christians living in Iraq, 600,000 have fled for their lives after we liberated Iraq. Christian Copts are being marginalized in Egypt. So I guess there is NO actual threat? Open your EYES.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 7:14:02 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 7:34:45 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
Speaking of lust, PlacidandFriends, I presume that you're aware that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) acquired a fortune in the slave trade. He acquired a prosperous caravan business from his first wife which trafficked slaves from Africa.

His favorite wife, however, was Aisha Bakr, the "Jewel of Medina." He married her when she was six years of age and he was fifty.

Posted on Jan 10, 2012 7:17:08 PM PST
J. Schwarz says:
Jewish prophets were lustful raping warring merciless butchers? Ah yes, another intelligent poster.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 7:38:04 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 10, 2012 7:40:02 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
I hadn't noticed that about Jews, J. Schwarz. Are you sure that Bookish hasn't figured out a way to take over your keyboard and pass himself off as you?

I saw something like on TV and I'm sure Lawrence A. Dickerson will back me up on that. He's got all that "first-hand experience."

Maybe he'll even loan Abby a thumb?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 7:59:14 PM PST
J. Schwarz says:
No John, just quoting another poster. Haven't seen the twins SP and Bookish today thankfully. Learning more about Adolph Hitler everyday. There was a gay opera singer married to a Jewish woman with children and grandparents living in one house that Hitler liked, so when the SS came to the house the wife called one of the Nazi officials wives and the SS took off faster than you can say bye. So there were many contradictions to the Nazi regime and information not made public. My professor is very interesting and knowledgeable.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 8:06:34 PM PST
John M. Lane says:
You should read Professor Lothar Machtan's THE HIDDEN HITLER, J. Schwarz. Machtan is a historian from Bremen whose research concluded that Hitler was homosexual, like a lot of top Nazis -- notably Ernst Roehm of the SA. The book is still widely available in a paperback edition. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2012 8:13:21 PM PST
Susanna says:
Wow, you're some kind of great mind reader to know what "they" all want.
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