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Experiencing Latency with Sony Acid Music Studio 8.0 (2011 edition)... HELP!!

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Initial post: Aug 21, 2011 8:41:43 PM PDT
porchpotato says:
Just installed this on my HP 100-5155 20-Inch All-in-One Desktop Computer - Piano Black, recording acoustic guitar with a Blue Microphones Icicle XLR to USB Mic Converter/Mic Preamp attached to a Sennheiser e835. When I record a second track the latency is horrendous, although there is a way to adjust it manually in the options menu, you have to keep going back and forth to tweak the tracks. Anything I can do short of trading in my PC for something with a quad-core processor (the hp has a AMD Athlon II Duel-Core Processor)? I've read about using audio interfaces to help with latency with other recording software, but I don't understand the jargon well enough. Anyone out there use this version of ACID yet?

Posted on Aug 22, 2011 11:20:50 AM PDT
AC in VT says:
Hopefully someone knowledgeable than I am will chime in, but from what I gather you really need a sound card for this, rather than using on-board sound processing. I'm having the same issue myself. I don't know if you'd be able to install a sound card or not on that all-in-one.

What I'm doing to get around it right now is just listening to the already recorded tracks via the computer speakers while listening to my instrument live. I can line them up in ACID after. It's a pain but so far it's worked out ok.

Posted on Aug 22, 2011 12:50:00 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 22, 2011 12:50:48 PM PDT
C. Simon says:
ASIO4ALL install then select from sound card choices in options in Acid, should be able to get it down quite a bit. It's a free download.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 23, 2011 1:30:52 AM PDT
porchpotato says:
@ A.C.:

Aargh, in my haste to purchase the latest version of ACID I assumed that my pc has a Windows compatible sound card (one of the system requirements noted on the Sonycreativesoftware website), when I went into Device Manager on my pc, under "Sound, video and game Controllers" it only shows Realtek High Definition Audio, which is the on-board sound processor. Have you been using ACID very long?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 23, 2011 2:00:54 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 23, 2011 2:01:40 AM PDT
porchpotato says:
@ C. Simon:

I've been reading a lot about ASIO4ALL when it comes to correcting latency with recording software, what if my pc doesn't have a sound card? I can't find the sound card choices in the Options tab for ACID.

Posted on Oct 5, 2011 3:07:26 PM PDT
Get an older version of acid. I got Acid 8.0 on my laptop and experienced horrific latency, but when I got Acid 4.0 it worked perfectly. If all you need to do is get raw recording done, go with an earlier version.

Posted on Oct 11, 2011 10:49:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 11, 2011 10:51:25 PM PDT
porchpotato says:
Ok, downloaded ASIO4ALL, used it as my default sound device in the ACID options menu. Seems to help quite a bit, I was able to record three separate tracks, then latency set in on the fourth track. Gonna keep experimenting. Much thanks to everyone for the tips. As long as we're on the subject, does anyone out there use an audio interface along with ACID? (M-Audio, Tascam, et al.)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2011 5:53:31 PM PDT
S. Goad says:
I use a Behringer UCA222. Acid MS 8.0 has an option for self-adjusting latency, which is so-so. What I usually do is record subsequent tracks from the very beginning of the click track, then listen to the playback. If there is audible latency, then I split the new track somewhere in the click track intro, and delete the first small part. Then I toggle off the "snap-to" (F8), expand the screen so I can see clearly, and manually drag the new track slightly "forward in time" so the beats line up with the previous tracks. With a little practice, this is about a 20 second, 1 time adjustment. With the screen zoomed in, I'm amazed at how accurate I can get with this eyeball adjustment. BTW, as a professional PC tech, don't buy a quad core PC thinking that it will solve your problem. As with most unspecialized software, Acid MS 8.0 does not take advantage of the multiple cores. If your PC/sound card doesn't stutter when playing/recording, the CPU is already fast enough. Your Realtek HD audio chip isn't a problem either. Hope this helps.

Posted on Oct 18, 2011 11:22:57 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 18, 2011 11:28:31 PM PDT
Goad has what is pretty much the best answer when it comes to your question about the processor. In fact, most quad cores are actually slower than the dual cores. Your issues probably lie with the USB interface. This is where most of the problems with ACID come in. The older software was less of a memory hog so there were fewer issues with processing on the USB drivers - the newer software uses more system resources so the drivers sometimes trigger late. Best bets are use old software (I still use ACID Pro 5) or upgrade the RAM if the All In One supports it. A dedicated memory card would be useful (no more shared memory) but probably isn't an option for that system except via USB.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 24, 2011 11:03:34 PM PDT
jpetes says:
Man, great insights, thanks!

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 24, 2011 11:46:57 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 24, 2011 11:50:49 PM PDT
porchpotato says:
Are you able to do multitracking with the 4.0 version? That was my reason for getting the latest version of ACID, because from what I understood about the older versions (from various user reviews) is that it wasn't possible to do that. Or, maybe I just didn't read everything and misunderstood. At any rate, those were my original intentions, multitracking, overdubs, and the like.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 24, 2011 11:49:10 PM PDT
porchpotato says:
I concur. I really am a layman when it comes to this stuff.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 25, 2011 12:06:56 AM PDT
jpetes says:
What about going with Acid Pro 7.0?

Posted on Nov 3, 2011 11:56:48 AM PDT
Sean says:
Most of these answers are wrong. You just need a better sound interface. The on board sound will have massive latency. For a cheap price and PCIe interface thats internal this is pretty good Emu 1212M. You can also get an external interface as well. There are many options. This will fix your problems.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2011 11:54:24 AM PST
C Note says:
To monitor yourself without latency, you need to connect your headphones to your microphone signal BEFORE it gets digitized and fed into the computer -- and the Blue Icicle does not let you do that. You need a better XLR to USB converter that facilitates zero-latency monitoring, like the Shure X2u. Shure X2U XLR-to-USB Signal Adapter

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2011 2:32:49 PM PST
Jon Bowling says:
Although your CPU may affect the latency somewhat, your real problem lies in the audio card. To do recording with minimal latency, you will need to buy either a USB or Firewire audio interface. The reason for this is the analog-to-digital and digital-to-analog converters inside your sound card.

Your microphone is analog. In order for your computer to receive it at all it needs to be converted to a digital signal. The converter that does this is called an analog-to-digital converter. All sound cards have these, but on-board or factory stock sound cards are usually not up to professional standards. This means that even if your sound card says high definition or anything like that, the actual converter in it probably is not that fast.

Once your computer receives the audio in digital form, it needs to process it. This is where your CPU and RAM come in handy. Although your 1.8 Ghz dual-core is not the fastest on the market today, it should do the trick just fine as should your 4GB of RAM. Problems with CPU overload are generally due to effects (especially compressors), soft-synths, and VST plugins--not raw audio tracks.

Once the audio is processed and you want to listen to it, it must be converted back to analog. This is because your speakers/headphones operate on actual electrical impulses, aka analog signals.

All of this takes time. Even if is a super short time, it all adds up. This is what causes latency. Generally, a latency that is below 10ms is unnoticeable to the human ears. One way to test the exact latency of your hardware is to plug your audio card's output into it's input, play a simple loop with quarter-note beats on just the snare, record a new track and compare the two tracks. The amount of space between the snare hitting on the first track compared to when it hits on the second track is your actual latency.

It should also be noted that because all of these said processes take time, ALL soundcards have latency. Until scientists figure out how to teleport audio instantaneously, this will always be the case. However, you can get external low-latency audio interfaces that will cut it down below the 10 ms range with relatively low cost. Just do a quick search on Google for "Ultra-Low Latency External Audio Interface" and you should be able to find exactly what you need.

Hope this helps.

Posted on Feb 5, 2012 11:17:30 AM PST
porchpotato says:
UPDATE (2-5-12)!

With most of the suggestions leaning toward using an external audio interface, I went ahead and got myself a Pyle-Pro PAD10MXU 2 Channel Mini Mixer With USB Audio Interface . I finally got to experimenting with it and it really does help with monitoring and cutting down latency. It's a great plug-and-play device, no software installation required. However, it won't work in conjunction with the ASIO4ALL

Posted on Feb 5, 2012 11:29:38 AM PST
porchpotato says:
(...oops, what happened) software that I downloaded (in Options tab>Preferences>Audio Devices, Sony Acid will recognize the Pyle as a USB device and is only usable with Windows Classic Wave Driver) but the function of the interface pretty much renders the use of ASIO nil, anyway. I'm still learning the ins-n-outs of Sony Acid, but at least I've overcome that one major, irritating hurdle: LATENCY!

Thanks to everyone who've posted their insight and expertise, now to get some recording done!!

Posted on Feb 12, 2012 4:05:54 PM PST
Susi says:
You will inevitably experience latency again, and it will probably be due to what fixed this latency-your interface. I see you got a USB interface. USB is notoriously prone to latency. This is caused by the fact that USB is not bi-directional, meaning it can't send and receive data at the same time. You should be fine now, but if you upgrade your interface to something with more ins and outs, you will have to get a Firewire interface to prevent any latency. Good luck!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 13, 2012 12:21:59 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 13, 2012 12:23:08 PM PST
KBIC says:
I don't agree. I have been using the M-box 2 with Reason 6. M-box 2 is a USB device. ZERO latency with live recordings. I don't thin that USB is the problem here. I think that incorrect ASIO drivers may be adding to the problem though.

Posted on Feb 23, 2012 2:11:43 PM PST
I've found Acid to be quite buggy in Win7 x64, whereas I had very few problems with XP. Tried with onboard sound plus external Focusrite interface, but there is way too much noise/hiss when recording and VSTs crash it pretty regularly. Have switched to Reaper and so far so good!
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