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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 19, 2013 10:36:17 PM PST
You are correct!

Posted on Jan 19, 2013 10:35:26 PM PST
The great Francis Albert Sinatra was more of a jazz-oriented pop singer...at least, that's what lots of folks say/think, anyway.
:)

Tony Bennett is more of a jazz singer, and he co-starred in a bad movie, "The Oscar." (It falls into the catagory of 'so bad it's worth seeing ['coz it's funny!].)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 1:08:42 PM PST
Robert Cox says:
Mr P
Is "swing" jazz?
Could Darin swing?
If your answer to both questions is "yes" then Darin could sing jazz.
That doesn't make him the complete jazz vocalist in the same vane as those you mention in your post however it is enjoyable music largely of course because of the backing bands behind these artists. If we were talking about Rod Stewart I would agree with you entirely. Without the musicians behind him his albums would fail. Jazz he aint.
Apologies for straying a little from the topic.

Posted on Jan 16, 2013 10:45:44 AM PST
It's all good.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 9:42:11 AM PST
Mr. P says:
I hear u Frank....and I heard plenty of Darin.

Where I come from/how I grew up with Jazz.....there's plenty of these pop singers at that time who sang Jazz songs or authentic Jazz vocalists who interpreted somgs written by such acts.....but 2 my ears that still dont make it Jazz. Theres a context, a church roots, a soul and a culture that is missing when u hear Darin's renditions of these songs. Imho.

"Lounge work" is a very apt phrase.

The difference.....is.....

Ray Charles singin Ray Charles....
Its Funny What Love Can Do by Della Reese, Black Coffee by Ella Fitzgerald, It Aint Necessarily So by Aretha Franklin, Caravan by Duke Ellington, I'll Remember April by Les McCann, That's All & Feelin' Good by Nina Simone and, of course, Mack the Knife by Ella Fitzgerald.

Its not preconceptions, its growing with these artists first from an early age, then lata listening to the easy listening/lounge singers and hearing the distinct lack of truth & soul. But as I said, all imho...if it moves u, it moves u. But its not a unique idea that these types of pop acts are not authentic Jazz...and from my perception [not some elitist snobbery]...thats been my experience.

I freed my mind....and my azz followed. ;)

Posted on Jan 16, 2013 8:04:29 AM PST
Nathan Detroit in "Guys and Dolls".

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 7:31:51 AM PST
Don't forget his Oscar-winning role as Maggio in 'From Here to Eternity'.

Posted on Jan 16, 2013 7:20:41 AM PST
What about Frank Sinatra?

I actually liked the 2 Tony Rome movies. But I have always been partial to the Phillip Marlowe - PI noir genre.

And the Manchurian Candidate was somethin' else.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2013 6:03:01 AM PST
Baron says:
What about Frank Sinatra?

Posted on Jan 15, 2013 9:39:33 PM PST
YEAH, Della R was a semi-regular on "Chico & The Man"~!

Darin may've not "technically" been a jazz singer, but he could SWING!

Mel Torme played a murderer on some 1960s lawyer TV show (one of the stars was Burl Ives, I recall)!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 1:15:15 PM PST
Robert Cox says:
How about Rosemary Clooney? She made many films and recorded some great albums with Concord. Her strength was her interpretation of a song. Like Darin she stuck to the melody so many jazz buffs who look for improvisation in an artist would rate both of them lowly.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 1:07:26 PM PST
Robert Cox says:
When it comes to "swing" Bobby Darin was at the top of his game. Was it jazz? Of course it was. He was right up there with Sinatra.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 11:07:44 AM PST
Mr P.

I also consider the wealth of the decades of output by Georgie Fame with side-cats like Guy Barker, Jim Mullen, Simon Spillet and Alan Skidmore to be jazz. He certainly grew beyond the pop r'n'b of the early Flamingo Club outings. I also consider the Van Morrison work since he took up residence in Marin County, CA in the 70's to be of a jazz nature, that sometimes horrible hybrid jazz-rock. I will not belabor his list of sideman nor how his compisition "Moondance" which has become an evergreen over time in the hands of many an aspiring and accomplished jazz singer.

Maybe it's because I lived in Las Vegas for several decades and experienced the endeavors of great jazz players relegated to lounge work and occasional LA movie gigs. Maybe it's because I have always found the jazz of Louis Prima to have as great value as listening to Evan Parker blowing a fusilade of neverending similar and repetitive scales of notes.

Bobby Darin came a long way from the rockers like "Splish Splash" and "Multiplication" and the teenage heart throb output of "Dream Lover" to record albums like Darin at the Copa and Bobby Darin Sings Ray Charles and That's All. He became a cultured big band singer who gave us jazzy renditions of "Clementine", Beyond the Sea", "Black Coffee", "Softly as in a Morning Sunrise", "Caravan", "It Ain;t Necessarily So", "I'll Remember April", "That's All", "Feelin' Good", and, of course, "Mack the Knife".

I recommend you open your ears and give a listen to:
Darin at the Copa
Bobby Darin Sings Ray Charles (US Release)
Love Swings
Swingin the Standards
Two Of A Kind (US Release) - a collaboration with Johnny Mercer - need I say more?

You can hear Della Reese announce her version of Bobby Darin's song "Funny What Love Can Do" at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJD_JjnWppo . Della also sings another Darin penned song at http://soundcry.com/video/X22s_50CadU/DELLA%20REESE%20SIMPLE%20SONG%20OF%20FREEDOM.html -
"A Simple Song of Freedom."

As long as I have realized that I have an addiction for great music of many a genre, as long as it has been performed with soul, sincerity, feeling, harmony, meaning, warmth... I could go on. You just have to listen and sometimes you have to FREE YOUR MIND from preconceptions.

A closing treat: Charles Mingus: Freedom from the Town Hall Concert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9BqdhhFUsc

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 9:19:38 AM PST
Mr. P says:
Ella Fitzgerald in...

Films...
Ride Em Cowboy
Pete Kelly's Blues
St. Louis Blues
Let No Man Write My Epitaph

TV
The White Shadow

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2013 9:00:36 AM PST
Mr. P says:
Thats all good Frank.....but Darin aint Jazz!!

He was a pop crooner who may have done watered down pop versions of Jazz choonz but Jazz it dont make. Now, Della Reese....thats JA2theZZ!!

Posted on Jan 15, 2013 8:26:52 AM PST
Della Reese as an actress, 1968-2012: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005343/

Posted on Jan 15, 2013 8:18:20 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 15, 2013 8:23:59 AM PST
Bobby Darin...... Let me count the ways (his talents).

Award winning actor, Golden Globe Award for "New Star Of The Year - Actor" for his role in Come September in 1962; television acting from Wagon Train to Rod Serling's Night Gallery to Ironside, Burke's Law and more. Produced, directed and writer for The Vendor (1969). I thought he had written some tv scripts for Serling and others.

I still think "Beyond the Sea" (and his "Nature Boy") are among the greatest vocal recordings ever.

You can nominate Bobby for a postage stamp and locate hard to fine cds and dvds at http://www.bobbydarin.com/

From the vaults at Amazon:
That's All: Bobby Darin on Record, Stage and Screen (Rock and Roll Reference Series, No 38) (Rock & Roll Reference Series)
That's All: Bobby Darin On Record, Stage & Screen, Revised and Expanded Second Edition

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2013 3:31:29 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 11, 2013 3:32:18 PM PST
Robert Cox says:
I don't think I would include Dean Martin on this thread. However I would include Mel Torme who incidentally appeared with Frank Sinatra in a film called "Higher and Higher" which was a "first time" appearance for both of them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2013 3:22:56 PM PST
Nikica Gilic says:
Copycat, I think...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2013 2:18:42 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 11, 2013 2:20:51 PM PST
I forgot Harry...he was a scary white-trash serial killer in a movie w/ Sigourney Weaver! [can't recall title just now]

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2013 2:17:53 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 11, 2013 2:24:45 PM PST
Dino's not really a jazz singer....BUT Barney Kessel DID play w/ him (in a quartet!) on the platter "Dream With Dean"! TO my knowledge the only album Dino did with a (small) jazz group, fyi.

Posted on Jan 11, 2013 1:57:20 PM PST
I recall that Ray Charles appeared in a humorous cameo role in The Blues Brothers, as did Aretha Franklin. Duke Ellington had a few spoken lines in Anatomy of a Murder, but maybe not sufficient to qualify him as actually acting in that movie. Likewise, Louis Armstrong in Paris Blues.

Posted on Jan 11, 2013 1:56:11 PM PST
Jazz says:
Oh, and of course Dean Martin.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2013 11:52:49 AM PST
Robert Cox says:
Surely Frank Sinatra deserves a mention.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 11, 2013 8:10:19 AM PST
Mr. P says:
Della Reese.....Nat King Cole [in Cat Ballou etc.].....Ray Charles in Ballad In Blue.....

Music Makers: Ballad in Blue
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