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Posted on Oct 12, 2014 3:26:10 PM PDT
I've recently been trying to track down some vinyl recordings by deceased reed player, Dick Johnson, who recorded several LP's quite late in his career on the Concorde label with excellent back-up musicians like Wilbur Ware, Dave McKenna and Philly Joe Jones (he had a long association with McKenna). Dick played several woodwinds but mainly alto sax and clarinet. Now, he didn't break any staggeringly new ground but was a particularly fine player who swung and whose work, IMHO, deserves much more attention.
Check him out on Youtube to check out what he was all about.

Posted on Oct 3, 2014 9:51:05 AM PDT
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For whatever reason that we can only speculate about, certain musicians who at some point demonstrate an outstanding talent disappear off the scene. One of those quite outstanding talents, IMHO, is trumpeter, Charles Sullivan who recorded three quite brilliant LP's under his own name, "Genesis", 'Re-entry" & "Kamau" seems to be one of those. All his original vinyl pressings are rare and highly collected by jazz cognoscenti. He also recorded as a sideman with McCoy Tyner, Yusef Lateef, Roswell Rudd, Walter Bishop Jnr., Woody Shaw and Sam Rivers, hardly inconsequential figures. His first release under his own name received a 5* plaudit in Downbeat magazine. Check out his work on Youtube and please post your views, in agreement or not, as the case may be. Thanks.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2014 12:39:40 AM PDT
Keith, glad to learn that you're into the physical stuff. Sitting on one's fat butt listening to jazz is all very well but not necessarily conducive to health and a long life. Having a balanced life with good diet and exercise can lengthen our stay here and the time that we have left to listen to even more jazz! Thanks for your choice of a recording with which to brighten our day. I used to be out jogging at the crack of dawn but latterly have become lazy. An extra hour in bed somehow seems to have more appeal as I age!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2014 5:08:24 PM PDT
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Keith says:
Back home after a 100k bike ride. Need some home cooking to get through the day.. a Desert / Dessert (always so sweet) it don't get no better than this.. Island recording A SEA OF FACES

Posted on Sep 28, 2014 12:45:08 PM PDT
John Warren is a Canadian saxophonist, composer and orchestrator. His album "The John Warren Big Band Live. The Bremen Concert 1976" is a big band album of avant garde jazz is one of the most sought after albums in jazz, routine selling for $150.00 a pop when it comes up for sale and yet, John has never been mentioned in these threads. Clearly, it is beyond the capacity of any one of us to know about every single jazz musician in jazz but I often wonder why it is that the work of certain talented musicians fails to get noticed by the jazz community en masse, particularly in this case as there seems to be such a strong avant garde following amongst forum members. I guess that I'll just have to keep wondering about that. The band members who played in this concert were primarily the cream of British session and jazz musicians including Henry Lowther on trumpet, Alan Skidmore on tenor and the wonderful, but not very well-known Harry Beckett on flugel horn.

Posted on Sep 24, 2014 6:57:59 AM PDT
When researching some scarce vinyl releasesI recently came across a pressing by a West Coast deceased piano player, Forrest Westbrook on the Revelation label. I'd never heard of him but I found out that he's recorded at least one LP under his name entitled, "This is Their Time, Oh Yes" with Jim West, Paul Ruhland and Dick Wilson. I'm reliably informed by those more knowledgeable than me that's it's couched in the avant garde. I haven't been able to find any uploads from it on Youtube though I did find some examples of his work as a sideman.

Posted on Sep 19, 2014 12:09:59 PM PDT
Forgotten (or never known about, who can say?), the late American tenor man, Sandy Mosse is a player whose work, I believe deserves a lot more attention. Perhaps it's because Sandy went off the live in Holland when he met and married a Dutch girl that he sort of dropped off the map, at least as far as the US was concerned. Cast in the Zoot Sims mold with Lester Young as his main inspiration, Sandy was a fluent and swinging improvisor. Check out his uploaded recording with Cy Touff on Youtube for a taste of his work. I've become a big fan of his and, right now, I'm trying to track down some of his Dutch recordings. Hope that you enjoy him.

Posted on Sep 14, 2014 9:22:21 AM PDT
One of the least well-known, undeservedly IMHO, of the Texas tenors was Art Foxall. Surprisingly there doesn't seem to be a lot of info out there about him and of his recordings still available, there aren't too many. But, check "Blue Fox" available as a CD through Amazon and your specialist record stores to find his long deleted LP's. Much less worthy artists are getting their stuff reissued. I think that it's about time that Art's work benefited from the reissue programme and that his earlier work receives the attention it deserves.

Posted on Sep 14, 2014 3:42:12 AM PDT
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Posted on Sep 9, 2014 9:29:35 AM PDT
Inexplicably,IMHO, the veteran piano player Gene DiNovi seems to have escaped the attention of forum members. Now in his 87th year, he has played and recorded with a host of top jazz musicians and vocalists including Stan Hasselgard, Buddy Defranco, Dodo Marmerosa, Chuck Wayne, Lester Young, Benny Goodman, Joe Marsala, Brew Moore, Lena Horne, Carmen McRae, Dina Shore, Buddy Rich, Boyd Raeburn, Peggy Lee, Tony Bennett, Ruby Braff, Artie Shaw, Chubby Jackson, Canadian clarinetist James Campbell as well as collaborating on the composing of several songs. An unjustified omission? You tell me! Check him out on YOutube and on his own website.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 8, 2014 8:06:52 AM PDT
Fischman says:
I'm familiar with Monnette Sudler. As you say, very good stuff. Actually, I first learned about her on another thread on this forum although I don't recall which one.

Posted on Sep 6, 2014 12:01:12 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 6, 2014 11:26:18 AM PDT
"Time for Change" is the one that I have bid on. It's located in Germany but a mint copy so worth the marginally larger mailing charge for getting it to the U.K. (if I win it). So, Frank, don't hunt through all those albums on my behalf. I'm stuck with my bid now and can't cancel it without a lot of problems. I appreciate the thought, though.

Posted on Sep 6, 2014 10:41:29 AM PDT
I may still have Time for Change on vinyl. I had listed at my Amazon shop, eddygilbertshoppe2008, and had a problem with a customer who wanted it on cd. I withdrew the listing but must now hunt through 4000 albums for it. I'll let you know if I list it again in a few days. I may have that and another one on vinyl.

Posted on Sep 6, 2014 9:43:35 AM PDT
I've just bid on one of Monnette's Steeplechase LP's. Don't know whether I'll get it!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 6, 2014 9:34:36 AM PDT
Keith says:
Monette Sydler, there's a flash from the past. Agreed really enjoyed her Steeplechase stuff. Depending on how this busy saturday turns out, I may put her vinyl on later.

Posted on Sep 6, 2014 9:11:14 AM PDT
Monnette Sudler still performs around Philadelphia, especially, places like Chris' jazz Cafe. Her website is at http://www.monnettesudlermusic.com/ . Her Steeplechase albums in the 70's and 80's were great. An excellent jazz guitarist.

Thanks for mentioning her, Peter.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 6, 2014 8:59:59 AM PDT
Forgotten woman of jazz, Fischman? One that immediately comes to mind is Monnette Sudler, a jazz guitarist based in Philly. Well, she's never been mentioned in this forum as far at least. So, perhaps it's arguable whether she's forgotten by the jazz community at large or not. Anyway, you can check her out on Youtube should you care to.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 5, 2014 8:19:04 PM PDT
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Posted on Sep 5, 2014 12:17:49 PM PDT
Fischman says:
How 'bout a forgotten woman of jazz?
Wish there was a lot more of Mary Osborne out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6ISf5f15Og

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ElUzVAgm_0

Posted on Sep 3, 2014 1:09:24 PM PDT
Does anyone know anything about a tenor player named Billy Martin? He played quite a bit with Bill Doggett. He has a big Texas tenor sound, reminds me of Billy Mitchell or Stanley Turrentine.

Posted on Aug 22, 2014 6:01:07 AM PDT
I mentioned the mysterious British trumpeter, Ric Colbeck back in 2012. Well, now you can hear him for yourselves on his highly sought after and mega rare LP,"The Sun is coming Up" released on the Fontana label and now kindly uploaded to Youtube. This LP has made up to $700 a pop when it has come up for sale! That's how highly rated this man's work is. Take a listen and then pick up the few threads of his somewhat mysterious life. I feel miffed that when I lived in the U.K., I never even heard about the guy even though I mixed with the jazz conoscenti much of the time. Maybe this post should have gone into the thread about what one doesn't (or didn't) know about jazz? What other trumpeters ( or players of any instrument for that matter ) in the history of this music can command such a staggering price for an example of their work? I can't think of any. And yet, the man's name is virtually unknown. Check him out on Youtube and make your own judgement. It would be great if whomsoever now owns the masters for "The Sun is Coming Up" session arranged for them to be re-released.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 11, 2014 1:48:47 AM PDT
I saw that a mintish copy of an LP by E.Parker McDougal made $81.00 on Ebay recently. Indicative perhaps of at least a little interest in his work?

Posted on Aug 9, 2014 12:55:05 AM PDT
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Another case of disenchantment with the world of jazz, or at least trying to earn a living therefrom? John Jenkins was an alto sax player with some excellent credentials but he essentially left jazz music behind to work as a messenger and to sell cheap brass trinkets at street fairs in the 1960's. But, not before he had attained considerable street cred by playing with Mingus, Johnny Griffin, Hank Mobley, Donald Byrd, Paul Quinichette, Clifford Jordon, Sahib Shihab, Wilbur Ware, Kenny Burrell and recording some albums under his own name and as joint leader. What prompted this disenchantment, I wonder? Surely someone out there, journalist or contemporary musician must know the answers, one would suspect. I'd love to know more.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2014 1:15:15 PM PDT
It sounds as though there were some pretty heavy-weight horn men who played that set, Keith. Clearly, E.Parker McDougall was highly rated by his contemporaries to stand in that company. I've been to three Chicago Jazz festivals but that gig must have happened before I began attending. Need to get back there at some point but, sadly, not this year.
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