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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012 2:10:14 PM PDT
Zolar Waka says:
Hey. I listened to that first disc of "Black Jack Pleasanton"! Wow, what a thing! I am going to need time to absorb more of this Sonny Simmons stuff that I just received. It's too bad he's not as widely recorded as say, Braxton, who was the last AG guy that I made a big glut purchase all at once.

Earlier today, Frank Lowe's Loweski, which was recorded at the time of "Black Beings." Quintet; Yowza! Lowe and Jarman really bring the fire on this suite. The violinist was credited as "The Wizard" and this set indicates he was "Raymond Lee Cheng." I'm not sure why everywhere else I read that "The Wizard" on these 1973 ESP Frank Lowe recordings was Leroy Jenkins. This player doesn't sound anything like Jenkins to me; that is not to denigrate what "The Wizard" has provided's different, a bit rougher, than Jenkins. I've got enough Jenkins in my collection, I like to hear a different style on the violin. "The Wizard" lops off a nice solo at the beginning of Part 3 of this suite that sounds like an electric guitar to me. Nice.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 8:48:49 PM PDT
willm says:
Fantastic! Good on you! Sonny shouldn't be on the streets...

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 13, 2012 9:08:35 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 13, 2012 9:29:43 PM PDT
dolphyfan says:
All Brotzmann, all the time. Alive, active, volcanic, beautiful, prolific, and with no sense that at 72 he has any thoughts of hanging it up.

Recent listening:

(Die Like a Dog Quartet): Little Birds Have Fast Hearts v. 1 and 2
(Brotzmann -solo-): 14 Love Poems
(Sonore): Cafe Oto/ London
(Sonore): Only The Devil Has No Dreams
(Bergman, Borgman, Brotzmann): Ride Into The Blue
(Chicago Tentet): Stone Water
(Brotzmann, Parker, Drake): Never Too Late But Always Too Early
and a bunch of others...

other current obsessive listening:
(Theo Jorgensmann and Albrecht Maurer): Melancholia

other recent buys:
(Manfred Schoof): Resonance
(Mat Maneri Trio): So What?
(The Vandermark 5): The Color of Memory
(Joanne Brackeen): Six Ate
(David Murray): The Hill
(Evan Parker): The Snake Decides

Posted on Aug 3, 2012 6:50:53 AM PDT
Ali Haluk says:
anthony braxton is speakin on "roulette tv" :

and luckily i am, he well be here in istanbul next october for akbank jazzfest:)

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 3, 2012 1:26:43 PM PDT
Really Good Ali. Thanks for posting this.

re:and luckily i am, he well be here in istanbul next october for akbank jazzfest...

Yeah ,yeah, Blah blah blaH!!!....


Lucky Guy!

Posted on Aug 14, 2012 11:44:59 PM PDT
Octave says:
Re: Brotzmann: I remember seeing him do a solo (unacccompanied) show in New Orleans in the mid-90s, and it was incredible; not necessarily an easy format in which to perform a long recital, all the more so for a solo reedist, and all the more so for someone working in Brotzmann's vein (as opposed to a contrapuntal approach like Evan Parker's, which is amazing but quite a bit more precedented in other kinds of music and with other instruments). If anyone is wondering what Brotzm's kryptonite is, it's S. Louisiana humidity; the show was great, but the man was dreadfully winded, and iirc had to drink himself back during the intermission.

Posted on Sep 13, 2012 2:19:59 AM PDT
Ali Haluk says:
after getting and listening trumpeter herb robertson's albums on leo and winter&winter labels, i've searched more and found a band called "mokuto"... herb robertson on trumpet, cornet, mutes and slide trumpet; lotte anker on soprano, alto and tenor saxophones; peter friis nielsen on bass and peter ole jorgensen on drums and percussion... both of their albums are stunning... Message For The Errand Boy and Dressed Like A Horse are strictly recommended even they're "CD-R" type of cds...

Posted on Sep 16, 2012 11:52:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 16, 2012 11:58:53 AM PDT
willm says:

This new festival hits Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen and Shenyang with evening concerts and currently the most interesting German jazz and improvisation scene, with its Chinese counterpart.

The pioneers and legends of the German free jazz, improvisation and experimental music will meet the pioneers of experimental, electronic and improvisational music of China and together will explore the limits or even the infinity of western music appreciation and Far Eastern musical traditions and perceptions.

Some of the most important members, founders and legends of the European improv jazz and experimental music such as Alexander von Schlippenbach, Paul Loven, Aki Takase (who has found her home in Berlin), Alfred Harth and Baby Sommer have a "rendezvous" with Chinese guest musicians such as Li Chin Sung (Dickson Dee), Yan Jun, Li Tieqiao and Wang Yong. Alfred Harth will perform with his Shanghai quintet, which is composed of himself and four young Shanghai musicians. In Shenzhen, drummer Baby Sommer will guide a workshop with Chinese musicians, which will represent their musical developments on the stage to the test.

Besides those already mentioned, there are some of the most prominent musicians to give concerts in Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen: bassclarinetist Rudi Mahall, well-known for his stage wit, trumpeter Axel Dorner, known and respected both in the electronic and improvised music scene, saxophonist Silke Eberhard, who is a sovereign bandleader and improviser with her trio of bassist Jan Roder and drummer Kay Lübcke.

Furthermore, Kazuhisa Uchihashi, who will complete Aki Takase and Axel Doerner with Daxophone and guitar and lead the trio to new electronic-improvised adventures.

The events will take place on 5 and 6 October 2012 in Beijing at Yugong Yishan, on 4 October with a long night of four concerts at the Shanghai JZ Club and on October 5-7 in Shenzhen at the OCAT Arts Centre. A last duo concert of Silke Eberhard and Jan Roder will take place in Shenyang on October 12.


ALSO Re release -Chappaqua Suite

Chappaqua Suite is a free jazz album, recorded and released in 1965, by alto saxophonist Ornette Coleman. It was originally commissioned by actor/director Conrad Rooks as the soundtrack to his film Chappaqua; however, the music was not used in the released version of the film. According to the album's liner notes, Rooks decided upon hearing Coleman's music that he found it was so beautiful that he feared it would overpower the imagery and action of the film. Instead, Columbia Records released it as a double album, but gave it very little promotion and the album sold poorly. It was taken out of print the following year and has since come back into print intermittently and in very small editions.
Chappaqua Suite was Coleman's first studio recording with his trio featuring David Izenzon on bass and Charles Moffett on drums. It was also his first recording with a full orchestra, in this case a studio orchestra arranged and conducted by Joseph Tekula. Coleman's suite is four parts, each occupying a full record side. Tenor saxophonist Pharoah Sanders appears on the fourth part of the suite.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 16, 2012 1:46:09 PM PDT
I'd love to see this festival and to see the Chinese reaction to the music. If it's anything like the Korean reaction to today's jazz it will be a real shot in the arm for the music.

It's also nice to see Aki Takase on the bill. Japanese artists are getting really positive reactions from China.

I think Takase has chosen to live in Germany because she is married to von Schlippenbach. Truly a match made in musical heaven if you have ever heard their two piano recordings.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 16, 2012 6:12:52 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 16, 2012 6:21:51 PM PDT
willm says:
Yes! Alfred Harth (Berlin) has been living in Seoul for over a decade.He's recorded several discs with Otomo Yoshihide,and most recently Carl Stone("Gift Fig" on the micro label,Kendra Steiner)and the upcoming ,'Ex Pats' both recorded live in Germany and Japan.'Have several by Takase and Schlippenbach.Great pianists.

Documentary and concert recording-Yoshihide,et al

Posted on Sep 26, 2012 4:36:24 AM PDT
Ali Haluk says:
today i'm listening two marilyn crispell albums on a rotation basis; Live In Berlin and Collaborations... both are very impressing... in one hand, in her live performance in berlin (1982) she collaborates with billy bang, peter kowald and john betsch, on other hand, "collaboration" album brings together scandinavian musicians in quartet and quintet forms (fredrik ljungvist, palle danielsson and paal nilssen-love on quartet; magnus broo, lars-goran ulander, per zanussi and paal nilssen-love on quintet)

liner notes of "live in berlin" written by joachim e. berendt give a good insight about avant garde, i think. as in the case that crispell describes her "world" through "different layers with various events happenning at the same time"... that's the point and it reminds me authors like virginia wolf, directors like alexander kluge, painters like brueghel etc... it's the music reminiscent of many many things...

Posted on Oct 24, 2012 11:31:43 AM PDT
Ali Haluk says:
a different listening experience made my day. it was youtube based! for some artists youtube recommends play lists bringing relevant videos together. i've listened gerry hemingway playlist consisted of 55 different tunes; some are from his unreachable old albums, some are fresh live performances mostly duets with sax players. almost all are exciting for me and i'll do it again :)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 27, 2012 2:02:16 AM PDT
john w says:
you have named everyone in the entire world!! could you make a top 10 list for newbies.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 27, 2012 7:42:35 AM PDT
dolphyfan says:
John, the trouble with making a list for newbies is the same as teaching someone to swim by throwing them in the deep end and telling them to figure it out. The 'top ten' is subjective, perhaps even a dubious endeavor, but if you think of jazz as a pond and the greatest of its practitioners as the big rocks on which to walk across that pond, such a list might be useful. The avant garde is not easy music for the most part; it demands something of its audience and many find it off-putting for this as well as other reasons. This thread's title is one indicator, the discussion is another that this music has a challenging threshold of entry. Whether it is Gerry Hemingway or anyone else, I have found it useful to steer new listeners towards that music that most closely resembles something the newbie already knows and is more comfortable with. Telling a new listener to AG jazz to immediately listen to Albert Ayler's Spiritual Unity, or Cecil Taylor's Nefertiti, or AEC's People in Sorrow, or John Coltrane's Ascension, or Anthony Braxton's Willisau Concert, not to mention anything by John Butcher or a host of other great artisits is, I feel, defeating of the purpose at hand, namely to introduce a new set of ears to a tremendous sound world.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 27, 2012 10:15:58 AM PDT
R. Miller says:
You are absolutely right! I've been listening to Avant Garde Jazz (free music) for over fifty years and I agree with your assessment completely. Start listening with "big ears" and follow where the trail leads with selections from the list provided. I envy those at the beginning of a remarkable journey. Enjoy!

Posted on Dec 4, 2012 2:09:03 AM PST
Ali Haluk says:
paul kikuchi and wally shoup play duo in the old cascade tunnel outside of seattle... avant garde, experimental and so beautiful...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2012 9:06:23 AM PST
Keith says:
May I recommend folks checkout the Frode Gjerstad Trio, Hideout" PNL Records, PNL015. These Scandinavians have been playing together for quite a while and it shows in how well they respond to, and compliment each other. Frode on alto sax and clarinets, Jon Rune Strom on b and Paal Nilssen-Love d an perc. O love Paal's drumming in nearly every context, but especially in duos and trios where you can really appreciate how much "arranging" of the direction he provides.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2012 9:27:35 AM PST
R. Miller says:
Could not agree more with you. Anything with Frode and Paal is going to be great. Not only check out the duos and trios but also the large ensemble Circulasione Totale Orchestra, led by Gjerstad and including the incredible Bobby Bradford on cornet. Great stuff!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2012 11:29:48 AM PST
Keith says:
I saw the trio earlier in the year and then again last night. Jon is really coming into his own. This duo session with Ken Vandermark is similer to the set they did at the Chicago Jazzfest this year ( Vandermark was Artist in Residence (or Resonance!). Maybe my favorite set of the Fest. Letter to a Stranger

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2012 12:45:14 PM PST
R. Miller says:
Keith, you're a lucky man to have seen Frode and Paal during their US tour. Unfortunately I couldn't. I also was at the Paal-Ken duo at the Chicago JazzFest. I agree that it was the best set of the festival along with Resonance. I had a chance to talk to Paal during the festival and he was very, very gracious. Great time!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 11, 2012 10:38:59 AM PST
Keith says:
Check out Paul Giallorenzo's Quintet GitGo's new release. Saw them last night in Milwaukee. Great inside-out band. Much Monk influence on Paul's piano and compositions, but through a post-bop lens. Jeb Bishop has been in the area celebrating his 50th Bday. His trombone work is always fun. Mars Williams is good as ever. I love hi tenor and on this he cuts loose on sopranino.

Also, worth checking out is Paul's other 5 tet with Dave Rempis on sax and Josh Berman cornet in the front line, instead of Mars and Jeb

Get In to Go Out

12/19 Mars leads his Ayler tribute band, Witches and Devil's and will incorporate Christmas tunes. I hope to make that!

Posted on Dec 12, 2012 12:34:48 PM PST
Keith says:
I'm also posting in the "What are you Listning to...." forum. Most post are in the mainstream. So getting twofer adding info here.... Jason Stein 4tet. A more inside outing from Jason. Homage to Tristano and Monk. Being a Dolphy fan, I'm drawn to bass clarinet players. I love Jason because his playing is very personal, organic and un- Dolphy like. The 4tet is tight. Keefe Jackson on reeds also is a fine bcl player and I think this understanding helps the overall approach. Frank Rosaly is an amazing drummer in any context and Josh Abrams is one of the Chicago's finest avant bassists.
The Story This Time

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 1:50:25 PM PST
dolphyfan says:
I am unfamiliar with Jason Stein. Also, I am unsure what is meant by "organic" in this context. Nevertheless, I am quite surprised to hear someone seem to suggest that Eric's work was (and remains) anything other than very personal.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 12, 2012 2:56:30 PM PST
Keith says:
Believe me. No dissin' of Eric intended. I'm and avid Dolphy collector. My point being that there are many wonderful bcl players (Rudi Mahall, Gebhard Ullmann, David Murray, Ken Vandermark, Michael Marcus to name a few). Jason seems less influenced by Eric. I'm sure you'd love Jason's trio stuff, such as ...Three Kinds of Happiness

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2012 2:29:09 PM PST
Spartacus says:
For years now I've been migrating away from mainstream jazz. We have a local station, WBGO that brags that it's the best jazz station in the country (actually, WKCR is). A couple of years ago I wrote them a letter and included a short list of musicians that they never play. The list included:

The AALY Trio
Muhal Richard Abrams
George Adams
Ben Allison
Art Ensemble of Chicago
Albert Ayler
The Bad Plus
Billy Bang
Hamiet Bluiett
Lester Bowie
Anthony Braxton
Peter Brotzmann
Marion Brown
Don Byron
Roy Campbell
Chicago Underground
Elton Dean
Jack DeJohnette
Bill Dixon
Dave Douglas
Malachi Favors
Bill Frisell
Vyacheslav Ganelin
Jan Garberek
Jimmy Giuffre
Milford Graves
Julius Hemphill
Billy Higgins
Andrew Hill
Leroy Jenkins
Krzysztof Komeda
Oliver Lake
Bill Laswell
Booker Little
The Maneri Brothers
Albert Mangelsdorff
Grachan Moncur III
David Murray
Sunny Murray

The music they play either has to be pre-Ascension, or sound like it is. It's sad that Americans are such Neanderthals (including about 90% of our jazz fans. I started the thread you are posting to and when I did back then I got so much flack from the other forum members that it was absolutely sickening. The majority said the thread shouldn't exist. The hated the music I like except for a strong minority (guys like Tom Sorenson) that it made me sick! I'm glad guys like you have kept it alive. I don't collect much any more, but I do chase the edge players. They are still breaking ground and always will!
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