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Favorite Pre-Bop Jazz Musicians

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In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 8:27:31 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 30, 2012 8:29:17 PM PDT
Mosaic (and Timeless, Saga Jazz, JSP, and a few others) have proven that 78 masters (and sometimes well preserved records) often have undistorted highs and more bass that remastered with the proper stylus and cartridge are revealed on recordings thought to be virtually unlistenable. And the fake stereo thing is disgusting; too bad modern amps don't have a "mono" switch to mix the two channels together.

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 8:51:32 PM PDT
Agreed about the mono switch. My current amp doesn't have a mono switch, but that only works on the treble/bass rechanneling. If you sum a Capitol duophonic or RCA ElEcTrOnIcAlLy RePrOcEsSeD StErEo, or the Mercury echo bleedoff rechanneling, it sounds like putting a speaker at the bottom of a metal 50-gallon drum, or placing a speaker WAY at the back of a tile bathroom.

I was reading (deciphering) old Billboards on google-books; it's like reading microfilmed copies, though sometimes in color. I think Columbia might have been the first to make public their rechanneling (treble/bass), but I caught issues showing Capitol making a big deal about duophonic in June, 1961, then RCA outdoing Capitol's bathroom echo with their own StErEo in January, 1962. RCA was the worst, the worst. Not jazz, I know, but Elvis rocker '50s StErEo sounds like a neighbor's shouting match and the drummers are at war with eachother. I think, before Columbia, there was some rechanneling, but it wasn't marked as anything except, as Liberty did, "Visual Sound Stereo" on (Julie London) JULIE IS HER NAME, which is treble/bass rechanneling--I'd thought it was an odd true stereo, but smelled/heard a rat and asked/looked around. Liberty tipped their hand about the stereo copy being a "new" album by assigning it a stereo number that was completely out of sequence with the mono (LRP 3006 vs. LST 7027). End of the '60s, the U.S. Fed FTC got involved, ostensibly for consumers, requiring fake stereo to be more directly disclosed, but it was at the time the labels cut out their mono catalog and kept or introduced faked stereo catalog. Rechanneled, ("snerk!") yes, Classical for stereo and deleted the monos. Billboard has various articles circa June-July, 1967, about the industry deciding en-masse (price leadership, like GM setting price increases and Ford/Chrysler following the lead) that they were raising mono Lps $1 to stereo list, and then, "viola," that you COULD play a stereo Lp on a mono hi-fi, nope, not a problem! Mono was 60-62% of Lp and record player/hi-fi sales at year-end 1966 numbers, so the cutoff was both in bad taste and premature. Raising mono Lp list from $3.98 to $4.98 was a 25% instant price increase.

Posted on May 30, 2012 8:56:59 PM PDT
Here's a stupid vinyl junkie question about both pre-bop jazz and vinyl (Lp): Did Columbia rechannel old jazz? I'm thinking were Paul Whiteman's comps (as in with Bix and Bing) given fake treble/bass "stereo" rechanneled versions? What about pre-1958 jazz (you bop guys) albums being butchered with rechanneling fakery? Capitol duophonic-ed Stan Kenton (shivers)....

Posted on May 30, 2012 11:04:35 PM PDT
Jerlaw says:
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Posted on Jun 1, 2012 10:56:55 AM PDT
CJBx7 says:
I stumbled across this link today, relating to early jazz:
It makes some interesting points. I like how the teacher speaks about the importance of recognizing the value of traditional jazz (which he defines as the early New Orleans style and its offshoots). Please check it out and let me know what you think.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 11:09:56 AM PDT
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Posted on Jun 2, 2012 11:43:10 AM PDT
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Posted on Jun 2, 2012 1:54:45 PM PDT
I always liked trumpeter, Taft Jordon.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 2, 2012 9:56:32 PM PDT
Interesting site. You have to hear the music in the context of the times and influences it was recorded, and sometimes it's fun (for me, anyway) to follow influences back. It's odd to me to hear someone strumming a banjo on a jazz record, though it works. I enjoy the interplay between musicians when they jam; it's about feeling more than about perfection. I picked up an Lp a few years ago that highlights, at least for my ears, a rough approach: NEW ORLEANS AND THE BLUES by Cap'n John Handy with Kid Sheik's Storyville Ramblers, RCA LSP 3929 (1968). The performances are crude, in the way that your link describes, but it's fun, intriguing series of performances. Musician credits are Cap' John Handy on alto sax, Kid Sheik Colar (instrument?), Louis Nelson on trombone, Chester Zardis bass, Sammy Penn on drums, Clive Wilson on trumpet, Bill Sinclair on piano, Noel Kalet on clarinet.

Posted on Jun 3, 2012 1:32:10 PM PDT
What I found intriguing about those early jazz performances was their polyphonic approach to the ensemble playing. Despite if you will the relatively basic instrumental skills of some of the musicians, their individual contributions to the ensemble (ride-out) was quite advanced for its time and disappeared almost entirely (except in those revivalist bands) when small jazz groups replaced the large swing bands. I have an interesting EP on the Southland label by Bill Matthews and his Ragtime Band with Bill on trombone, Albert Burbank on clarinet, Octave Crosby on piano (what an appropriate name for a jazz man), Ernie Canolatti on trumpet, Richard McLean on bass and Freddie Kohlman on drums. Great stuff!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 3:20:10 PM PDT
Robert Cox says:
Where would you place Errol Garner? Was he pre-bop? He certainly was a major influence in the 50's & early 60's

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 3:52:04 PM PDT
I am currently reading "88: The Giants Of Jazz Piano." This book places Garner firmly in the pre-bop mainstream. His playing does not bear the influences of Bud Powell or Thelonious Monk. He was a very popular performer in the 1950s, who enjoyed playing the melody of standard tunes.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 4:48:50 PM PDT
re: Errol Garner: He DID play with and/or record with Charlie Parker, though. (In the 1940s, I think.)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 4:56:14 PM PDT
Johnny Hodges?!? I thought you were dead...welcome back, champ!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 5:44:31 PM PDT
SMF: Only in this hip neighborhood does my electronic pseudonym draw a response. Just to avoid the wrath of the Off-Topic Police:

The best prebop alto player was (watch while I pull a rabbit out of my hat):
"Hears Johnny!"

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 3, 2012 6:30:07 PM PDT
re: Johnny: Erk erk!

You could've "gone as" John E. Hodges, y'know.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 4, 2012 12:21:18 AM PDT
Robert Cox says:
Thank you Susan.
That's what I thought.

Posted on Jun 20, 2012 2:00:25 PM PDT
Jay McShann
Earl Hines
Buddy Tate
Any musician in the early Basie bands is worth checking out!
JC Higgenbothom
Pete Johnson
Hot Lips Page
Eddie Cleanhead Vinson

Posted on Jun 20, 2012 10:31:00 PM PDT
Nikica Gilic says:
Pee Wee Russell ... ONE of the best... Also Django Reinhardt...
plus, of course Hawk, Prez, Sweets....

Posted on Jun 21, 2012 3:36:36 PM PDT
Nikica and Rick,
Without wishing to dampen the natural inclinations of contributors to this thread, might I suggest that future posters do a smidgen more than simply listing names that most of us know anyway. Give us some data about a musician or mention some of his recordings, a live performance that you went to, what he liked for breakfast or something for heaven's sake! This thread has enormous potential for all sorts of interesting posts but right now it's in danger of committing hari-kari.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 14, 2013 7:46:06 AM PST
stevei says:
Robert Parker produced about 100 unique CD's- not all jazz . For more details visit his facebook page
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