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Initial post: Feb 8, 2011 10:11:30 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Apr 27, 2012 10:36:11 AM PDT
As my Yorkshire friends might say, "I'm reet fed up wi (pronounced wee) folks slagging off other folks when we (pronounced wee) should be discussing the music that we all profess to love." So, on this thread, the only thing that you can't do is get argumentitive. Anyone who does gets a "v"sign from yours truly, a raspberry and a kick up the you know where. Not that I'm a Yorkshire man, mind you. I was born in motor city,Coventry, to those geographically disabled in respect of the England, it's located 18 miles SE of Birmingham, that is 90 miles north of London. Not too many of the touring American bands came to Cov. So I had to travel to Brum(Birmingham to the uninitiated) or Leicester to see them. But, the local scene wasn't too bad. Every Saturday, the bands came from London to play at the Arden Ballroom in Bedworth. They included the great Ted Heath, the Johnny Dankworth Seven, the Kirchin Band, Syd Phillips, Ken Mackintosh, Vic Lewis (Britain's answer to Kenton) and Johnny Day and his Band of the Day. The British boppers like Tubby Hayes and Ronnie Scott played regular gigs in the local pubs as did the local revivalists so it wasn't a bad scene at all. Then, we listened to more American jazz on AFN radio station. Back then, we still had different tastes in the jazz we liked but the arguments between the mods and mouldye fygges never became abusive so guys please cool it and act like adults.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2011 10:17:11 AM PST
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Posted on Feb 8, 2011 10:50:39 AM PST
Zolar Waka says:
Ronnie Scott sure did meet an unexpected end. What a shocker that was. He is truly underrated as a promoter (and performer) of jazz. I suspect a lot of American performers got a real boost over there by performing in his club. Or so it seems.

Posted on Feb 8, 2011 11:32:36 AM PST
James Walsh says:
Good grief! Do we have to be nice to people who follow Ambrose and His Orchestra, too?? :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2011 10:44:15 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 9, 2011 10:44:40 AM PST
Mr. P.,

Not Jazz, but just wondering. How are things in your part of Egypt with all of the unrest ?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2011 11:32:18 AM PST
Nikica Gilic says:
Mr. P.,
I have a story about Ronnie Scott (told to me by few years ago by the recently departed Croatian player Bosko Petrovic):

Bosko was sitting with Scott at the table at some jazz festival, where Ronnie was tossing invitations to various (mostly European) musicians to play in his famous club.
Bosko asked Scott: "Ronnie, why don't you invite ME to play there?"
Scott replied: "Well, you know, you don't really sound like an American player!"

Posted on Feb 9, 2011 1:34:01 PM PST
Spartacus says:
This thread will have a very, very short life.

Dan

Posted on Feb 9, 2011 2:53:11 PM PST
Nikica Gilic says:
Always the optimist, Dan?
:-O
:-)

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2011 5:06:08 PM PST
""I'm reet fed up wi (pronounced wee) folks slagging off other folks when we (pronounced wee) should be discussing the music that we all profess to love.""

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrK-2CYFVgY

Posted on Feb 9, 2011 5:09:42 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 9, 2011 8:35:14 PM PST
"so guys please cool it and act like adults."

Little chance, but thanks for the politeness. I'm enjoying the fine taste of Scottish cheer. A few cozy sips and....

Time to get a little loose and let go. Yes, you know it. Belt it out everyone. You too Dan.

The Celtic War Cry OoooooWaaaYeeeeIiiiiii!!!

Seriously, I'm a big fan of music from the Isles, but never looked there for Jazz content.

Jazz happy hour.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2011 5:17:52 PM PST
Spartacus says:
NG

The good threads here are the ones that pose intelligent questions about the music. I can't see myself posting to this one again. Of course, if no one can come up with a better subject than this, then I'll have to do it.

Dan

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2011 7:28:56 PM PST
willm says:
You ain't the boss of me,Mr P . And you're threatening people w / an arse-whooping ? Slag Off!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2011 11:12:24 PM PST
Nikica Gilic says:
You might have a point there, Dan...
Well,
post your own question;
I like these amazon jazz topics; the more the merrier!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 10, 2011 2:06:34 AM PST
Spartacus says:
NG

Sure, why not.

Dan

Posted on Feb 10, 2011 8:17:04 AM PST
R. K. Hunter says:
I'm not going to say anything on the grounds that anything i am going to say is going to be grounds for me not saying anything that i have grounds to say.

it really is one of those days!!! What the heck,lets live a little. i know i'm going.............(friendless again, ho hum)(Thinks must get a violin)

Posted on Feb 10, 2011 11:49:51 AM PST
Well, guys, thanks for the posts on this thread. I never expected to get any!! But in reading them, I had several belly laughs so thanks to all those who made me smile. As far as the situation in Egypt is concerned, I am sure that you are all following the news. History is being made here right now. My ex-girlfriend has been in Tahrir Square for several days but this thread is about music. If anyone wants an inside and more informed view of the situtation here, check my facebook page under Peter Campbell and/or request copies of a couple of articles that I recently wrote and published.
For those who appreciated Ronnie Scott's playing and who knew his corny jokes that he insisted on cracking whilst on stand. here's one of them. "Stuff Smith and Stan Getz are going to form a new band. It's going to be called the Getz Stuff (ed). Quintet."
Nikica, thanks especially for your story about Ronnie. Good one. There must be hundreds of stories about him that British musicians could tell. Not so long back, I did an interview with saxophonist and flautist, Pat Crumley who played in the Ronnie Scott Memorial Band. He was an apt choice to play in the band, a small guy with a big sound who swung like crazy. Sadly, Pat passed unexpectedly within weeks of his doing the interview with me. My regret, other than loosing a friend of course, is that I didn't ask Pat to tell me any Ronnie anecdotes during the interview and he must have had scores to relate. But, hey, so many guys pass without ever telling their stories and that's a scandalous situation, don't you think? At least, Pat, told part of his story and I'm glad that I was instrumental in that.

Posted on Feb 10, 2011 2:12:09 PM PST
Nikica Gilic says:
Go Egipt, go!

Posted on Feb 10, 2011 2:33:21 PM PST
NG - I agree "go Egypt

But the press is a pain. It's like

"Hosni is leaving the group"
"Hosni is NOT leavimg the group"
"Hosni is not leaving the group until September"
Hosni will leave the group before September.

What's next?
"Hosni is doing a solo gig at Ronnie Scotts or at the Haig"?

Posted on Feb 10, 2011 3:09:41 PM PST
R. K. Hunter says:
Here is what might turn out to be an interesting item for the more "schooled Musicans " we have on the this forum.

Today i saw a film with Ed Harris in it, about the last few weeks or year of Beethoven life. and they played "Ode to Joy" ect in the film. and today i have been playing music by John Coltrane, as you can see two very great people in two separate types of music.,the thing is when i am down stairs in the kitchen and turn on radio three(BBC) i some times get a string quartet, or a lieder recital, or some small classical piece and regardless of being any period from Mozart onwards i understand it and enjoy it, my question is this "would the fathers of classical music have enjoyed Jazz if they came across it as i have their music. I know that many used folk tunes and dances in their music so they could well understand the structure of the music, would they have liked the stuff i like?
if you think this is a daft question please say so..

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 11, 2011 1:49:14 PM PST
Robert Cox says:
RKH
From my understanding of it, composers in the time of Beethoven and Mozart only used Major or Minor scales. With the exception of the Dominant 7th cord all other chordal arrangements were based on these scales. The influence of Afro-American music changed all that with the introduction of "Blue" notes giving rise to a multitude of variations in arrangements. In my opinion Mozart who was quite improvisational in some of his compositions would have revelled in these new found sounds and the results would have been wonderful.
I stand to be corrected on my opening sentence and will not take umbridge I promise you.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 11, 2011 1:55:36 PM PST
R. K. Hunter says:
Hi Robert Cox, thanks for that comment, hope you find your way to Modern Jazz one day.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 11, 2011 2:14:27 PM PST
Robert Cox says:
RKF
I actually found my way there in the late 50's with Errol Garner, Oscar Peterson, Barney Kessel, Ella Fitzgerald, Mingus, Monk etc. etc. I am a bit of a dinasour however because I tend to be locked in to "West Coast" style and enjoy melodies that swing the most.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 11, 2011 2:58:53 PM PST
R. K. Hunter says:
When i was about 11 my brother went abroad with the R A F and left a Brubeck lp and and record player at home ,and that started me into jazz round 1958, i bought a couple of compilation L P's with Mingus and other, and one with Teagarden and Big Bill Broonzy and others and i went out into the great tree jazz is from those two acorns on the Gala label bought from the CO OP store. now i have no lp's just best part of 3000 something cds, a library of over 250 books and run of Jazz Journal complete back to 1965.Retired in 2009 and spend my days, some of the time delving into it all.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 11, 2011 5:21:57 PM PST
Robert Cox says:
RKH
My story is similar
The first jazz record my older brother brought home was Art Tatum ostensibly for our mother for her birthday. She liked piano, you know Charlie Kunz, Winifred Attwell etc. She was so angry after listening to Art that she through the record out the back door expecting to smash it like a 78. Being an LP it flew through the air bouncing off various obstacles coming back to earth totally undamaged and my brother put it back on the turntable and continued to play it just to get under her skin. A typical teenager! At that stage I didn't think much of Art Tatum either. His next record however was Barney Kessel with Julie London on vocals and I was hooked. I went down the Kessel, Andre Previn Shelly Manne Dave Brubeck etc track and have enjoyed jazz ever since. My library however is much smaller than yours

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 11, 2011 6:21:18 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 11, 2011 6:23:33 PM PST
RK,

re:..just best part of 3000 something cds, 250 books and run of Jazz Journal complete back to 1965.Retired in 2009 and spend my days, some of the time delving into it all.

Sounds like a template for retirement to me. Mine is most likely still 15 years down the pike...
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