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British Jazz Musicians - Any Worth Mentioning ?

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Initial post: May 24, 2008 8:08:24 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 31, 2008 4:01:46 PM PDT
This is NOT a flag waving excercise, I'm just curious to know how European Jazz and British jazz in particular is perceived in the U.S.A, and whether you think we have produced any world class musicians.

If I shoot a few names at you, which readily come to mind, it would be interesting to know whether any of these guys hold any sway with you. I guess the answer depends on availability on record, without which, there may be little or no opportunity to have heard these people, so have you encountered the following? -

Past Tense:- Tubby Hayes, saxes,vibes,flute, Archie Semple clarinet, Phil Seamen drums, Don Lusher trombone, Eddie Thompson pno., Humphrey Lyttelton tpt., Kenny Baker tpt.

Present Tense:- Bruce Adams, tpt/fluglehorn, Mark Nightingale, trombone, Alan Barnes saxes/clarnet/flute, David Newton pno.,
Steve Brown drums., Roy Williams tbn. Danny Moss sax/clarinet, Stacey Kent vocal

Any nominations of your own ?

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008 12:21:49 PM PDT
Westdale says:
Where does Dave Holland fit in?

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008 3:33:48 PM PDT
J.L. Reynolds

Don't be hard of me. My list was off the cuff, and with more thought I could have included not only Dave Holland but several others.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008 4:07:27 PM PDT
On Guitar: Allan Holdsworth, Paul Stacey, Frank Evans, Steve Topping

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008 5:57:03 PM PDT

John McLaughlin, Ginger Baker (a Phil Seaman follower), Derek Bailey, Bill Bruford, John Surman, Tony Oxley,Evan Parker...

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008 6:07:20 PM PDT
Greg Stitt says:
How about pianists Gwilym Simcock and John Taylor

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008 6:07:23 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008 7:02:15 PM PDT
Doug Kassel says:
I'm surprised you didn't put Marian McPartland at the top of your list; not to mention Cleo Laine, John Dankworth and George Shearing.

Even Dudley Moore put out some Errol Garner-inspired trio records earlier in his career. (Except for name recognition, i don't suppose you would count people like Kenny Ball and Acker Bilk. :-)

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008 8:17:32 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 25, 2008 8:08:23 PM PDT
sharp9 says:
As I'll soon be headed to London, I recall all the great British musicians and clubs. Aside from the obvious names such as George Shearing, Ted Heath, and Marion McPartland, I would also mention guitarists John McLaughlin and Alan Holdsworth, saxophonists Evan Parker and Andy Shepard, drummer Tony Oxley,and of course the great bassist Dave Holland. I also remember a great pianist named Stanley Tracy. I recall a sold out show by guitarist Martin Taylor at the Pizza Express in Soho for which unfortunately, I held no ticket. As I tried to finagle my way into the back door of the club, I found that no amount of cajoling, pleading or offers of bribery were sufficient for me to gain entry. I had to remain content with listening to the few, stray muted sounds of Martin's solo guitar which made their way past the door.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008 8:36:14 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 24, 2008 8:36:49 PM PDT
I am surprised that the names, Ronnie Ball, Peter Ind and Victor Feldman have not yet appreared.

In reply to an earlier post on May 24, 2008 10:50:42 PM PDT
( to name a few )


In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 1:01:54 AM PDT
Doug Kassel

I tended to put a mental block on the likes of Marian McPartland, George Shearing, Victor Feldman, not because they had betrayed us by leaving the UK for the States, but simply because it was reasonable for me to assume that by their doing so, you would have automatically heard of them. I was seeking to identify those who had remained this side of the pond, and at the same time ask whether their reputations had penetrated into the American psyche.

Sharp9/Robert Ricketts

I can tell you know where it's at!

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 4:04:28 AM PDT
Mr. Kenneth J. Hodges,

Great UK musicians that is a part of my music collection;

Ian Ballamy (tenorsax), Django Bates (Piano, horn), Martin France (drums), Claire Martn (vocals), Mike Carr (organ,piano), Loose Tubes, Courtney Pine (saxes), Norma Winstone (vocal)

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 4:36:57 AM PDT
Allan Holdsworth has lived in California for a while now, but he is still British by birth. And I believe the fantastic Martin Taylor is from Scotland, not Britain.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 6:39:39 AM PDT
Scotland IS a part of Britain, it's England that isn't.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 8:57:26 AM PDT
stevign says:

In only 2 posts, we pissed off the Scots AND the Brits; maybe we can send Jimmy Carter over there to tell them what horrible, disgusting people we are here in the States.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 9:46:17 AM PDT
Would have thought you'd got enough problems with George Bush!

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 10:34:51 AM PDT
Kenneth please excuse my ignorance and confusion but could you please explain what this statement means?

"Scotland IS a part of Britain, it's England that isn't"

And/or direct me to an Internet site that explains this in detail.

I don't think it is necessary anymore to tell other people how "horrible, disgusting" we are. Lately they seem to know that somehow. !)

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 11:01:57 AM PDT
stevign says:

I think American self-loathing is self-defeating and used for political gain. In the words of William Shakespeare: "It's Bull S***!

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 11:17:40 AM PDT
Stevign you are truly right on the money with that statement. I don't see how I can hate myself being the wonderful and magnanimous person that I am and modest too. Just ask me.

But seriously, I wonder where that idea comes from. Do we feel that guilty about something as a nation? As I look back over history I think not or a least we have no more to feel guilty about than any other nation. What one thinks of oneself can be far more damaging than what others may think of you.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 11:40:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 25, 2008 11:40:53 AM PDT
Sorry if I have confused you or if I was pedantic. Britain or the Britsh Isles, sometimes called the United Kingdom, takes in England, Scotland and Wales, so to come from Britain means that you could come from any one of the three. Some people like to be more specific and label themselves as either English, Scottish or Welsh. If I can confuse you even further Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, whereas Southern Ireland (or Eire) isn't.

A similar thing applies to Scandinavia. Norwegians, Swede's and the Dane's are all Scandinavians, but prefer to be specifically called Norwegians, Swedish or Danish.

On re-reading my answer to you, it's no wonder you are bloody confused. It would have been clearer had I said, Scotland and England are separate countries, but Britain includes both of them. Put it down to my age!

To hell with it, I wish I hadn't started this now. There's only one race that matters, and that's the human race. Let's get back to jazz!

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 11:56:33 AM PDT
stevign says:
For me there are several races that are of the upmost importance:

The race to the prettiest girl in the room.
The race for more great Jazz
The race to friends
And sooner than later in life, the race to the bathroom.

On my Death-Bed I will be jumping up & down clapping my hands, and in a giddy voice asking: "Hurry up, hurry up, what's next, what's next?"

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 12:00:20 PM PDT
Thanks Kenneth that clears it up totally. One really has to know those things because a few years ago we were at the University of Wales for an international festival and one of the members of the group referred to Wales as "England", a common error with Americans but more a labeling error than anything else. It can be embarrassing however.

Back to the subject at hand. It is amazing that Europeans in general know more about our "local" players than we do of theirs. I wonder how much that has to do with record promotion and jazz on the radio. I keep getting the impression that there is more Jazz on British radio than on American.

Another thing is the preservation done by the British, the Japanese and NOW the Spanish. Both in reissues and the issuing of new things recently uncovered. Like the Spanish release of a 3 CD box of "Clifford Brown and Max Roach at the Cotton Club". My copy of the Wardell Gray memorial twofer is a British pressing that came out there first and much later over here. Thank you for the effort.

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 12:11:20 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 25, 2008 12:29:44 PM PDT

Re Races:-
To the prettiest girl in the room- Someone younger is bound to beat me to it, so what's the point!
To Jazz - Still doing my best to keep up with the rest, but if I fail, I can always
fall back on what went on before
To Friends - I just keep hoping they will carry on running back to me
To the Bathroom - This is the only one I panic about, just in case I don't make it.
On my deathbed - If there is one present I just want to be in the arms of the prettiest
girl in the room!

It's the Britishness in me you know!

In reply to an earlier post on May 25, 2008 12:27:49 PM PDT
Oh Thomas,
You have opened up a sore wound here! It is said that more people in this country buy jazz records than classical records, yet we have two national radio stations playing classical music and NONE playing jazz. About 18 months ago things perked up, when the owners of one of the classical stations announced the start of a new digital radio station playing jazz 24 hours a day, seven days a week. I was overjoyed!, but at the same time aprehensive. You see, digital radio hasn't yet taken off in a big way, and most of the broadcasters are still using FM as well, whilst we go through the transitional period of fully converting over. With no coverage of the new jazz station on FM, I feared it would limit it's audience. Despite this, there were encouraging signs, and I went out and bought a digital radio. To cut a long story short, in a mattter of months, it was announced that they were not getting enough adverts, so they closed. I felt like throwing my new radio in the sea, which is only down the road from here, and I think had they sweated it out, they would have made it, but they wanted a fast buck.

A few years back there was a jazz station called 'Jazz FM' but it could only be heard in London, so had a limited audience. They eventually ended up playing mood music for frustrated housewives.

So, thank you for making me angry all over again!
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