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Initial post: Oct 5, 2008 10:16:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 18, 2010 1:10:08 PM PDT
Spartacus says:
Jazz is a continually evolving art form. In recent years it has become truely international, and taken off in all directions. As a result it has become a lot harder to stay informed on the latest innovations and innovators. Anyone who would like to share their knowledge and opinions on what might be considered avant garde, are more than welcome here.

For additional earlier posts on this subject on this forum, see the link directly below:

http://www.amazon.com/tag/jazz/forum/ref=cm_cd_ef_tft_tp?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx3DAG44NIZ0CDU&cdThread=Tx2RYP3309MXZL9&displayType=tagsDetail

Dan

Also posted below you will find a long A-Z list of avant garde musicians/groups. Since Amazon limits the size of individual posts, I have split it into two segments which I may update from time to time. Anyone who would like to suggest musicians I may have missed should feel free to do so. Have fun.

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3rd Man, 8 Bold Souls

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a qui avec Gabriel, a hundred times beloved, The AALY Trio, Aardvark Orchestra, Elvind Aarset, Ahmed Abdul-Malik, Ahmed Abdullah, Kaoru Abe, Rabih Abou-Khalil, Phil Abraham, Muhal Richard Abrams, The Abstractions, Bruce Ackley, Carlo Actis Dato, George Adams, Steve Adams, Christopher Adler, Aercine, Aesop Quartet, Afro Asian Ensemble, Oskar Aichinger, Air, Aisha Duo, Jason Ajemian, Noel Akchote, Tetuzi Akiyama, Pheeroan akLaff, Christian Alati, Jeff Albert, Brian Ales, Aleski, Ralph Alessi, Aaron Alexander, Rashied Ali, All Rectangle, All Time Present, Byron Allen, Marshall Allen, Ben Allison, Misha Alperin, Maarten Altena, Alterations, Barry Altschul, Ama Jazz, Amalgam, Ambiances Magnétiques, Ambient Jazz Duo, Scott Amendola, The American Saxophone Quartet, American Watercolor Movement, Amis 4tet, Anansi, Anarchestra, Arild Andersen, ,Fred Anderson, Jacob Anderson, Ray Anderson, Reid Anderson, Pier Luigi Andreoni, Louis Andriessen, Paolo Angeli, Theo Angell, Anticubicle, Jim Anton, Tatsu Aoki, Peter Apfelbaum, Apostolic Polyphony, Mark Applebaum, Arawi, Arc, Arcado, Arcado String Trio, Neil Ardley, Sasha Argov, The Art Ensemble of Chicago, Art Music Ensemble, Asian American Jazz Orchestra, Astreja, Tubman Atnimara, Marcel Aucoin, Australian Art Orchestra, Available Jelly, AWN, Albert Ayler, Nick Ayoub, Azeruz

B

The Bad Plus, Derek Bailey, Aram Bajakian, Jim Baker, Ginger Baker, Iain Ballamy, Billy Bang, Abdulai Bangoura, Harrison Bankhead, Bar Kokhba, Barbez, Joey Baron, Robert Barry, Steffen Basho-Junghans, Bass Drum Bone, Bateau Lavoir, Victor Bateman, Django Bates, Michael Bates, Alvin Batiste, Stefano Battaglia, Matt Bauder, Conrad Bauer, Marc Beacco, Chris Beattie, Carlos Bechegas, Harry Beckett, Gordon Beeferman, David Behrman, Richie Beirach, Erik Belgum, Gregg Bendian, Aaron Bennett, Han Bennink, Steve Beresford, Karl Berger, Vincent Bergeron, Sean Bergin, Borah Bergman, Berkowitz, Lake & Dahmer, Berlin Contemporary Jazz Orchestra, Tim Berne, Tim Berne's Bloodcount, Steven Bernstein, Between, Bexar Bexar, Faruq Z. Bey, Big Black, Big Satan, Arlo Bigazzi, Greetje Bijma, Billband, Billy Tipton Memorial Saxophone Quartet, Dave Binney, Birth, Jeb Bishop, Michael Bisio, Jason Bivins, Bject, Cotch Black, Jim Black, Black Moth, Ed Blackwell, James Blackshaw, Richard Blair, Michael Blake, Ran Blake , Rob Blakeslee, Michael Bland, Blast, Theo Bleckmann, Peter Blegvad, Jeremy Bleich, Carla Bley, Paul Bley, Bliggidy Blam, Richard Bliwas, Jane Ira Bloom, Blue Dog, The Blue Notes, The Blue Series Continuum, Blue Velvet, Hamiet Bluiett, John Blum, Martin Blume, Arthur Blythe, BNSF, Boca Raton, Michael Bocian, Eric Boeren, Ross Bolleter, Borbetomagus, Karen Borca, Thomas Borgmann, David Borgo, C.J. Reaven Borosque, Boston Art Quartet, Mwata Bowden, Simon Bowden, Graham Bowers, Lester Bowie, Dougie Bowne, Ronnie Boykins, Charles Brackeen, Bobby Bradford, Anouar Brahem, Brain Killer, Brasserie Trio, Anthony Braxton, Tyondai Braxton, Patrick Brennan, Willem Breuker, Paul Brody, Magnus Broo, The Brooklyn Sax Quartet, The Brotherhood of Breath, Caspar Brotzmann, Peter Brotzmann, Bill Brovold, Dan Brown, Chris Brown, Guillermo E. Brown, Marion Brown, Richard "Ari" Brown, Rob Brown, Steven Brown, Kyle Bruckmann, Ettiene Brunet, Buca Pecuna (James Dell'Orefice), Thomas Buckner, Lenni Bukowski, Hermann Bühler, Christian Burchard, Mark Burdon, Charles Burnham, Dave Burrell, Andre Bush, John Butcher, Ken Butler, Jaki Byard, Taylor Ho Bynum, Don Byron, Michael Byron

C

CCM4, C.O.M.A., Juan Pablo Caceres, Pete Cafarella, John Cage, Adam Caine, Michael Caine, Uri Caine, Roy Campbell, Dave Cantwell, Carbon, Steve Cardenas, Cornelius Cardew, John Carey, Rudiger Carl, Frank Carlberg, John Carlson, Ralph Carney, Francois Carrier, Baikida Carroll, Daniel Carter, James Carter, John Carter, Kent Carter, Andrea Centazzo, Raven Chacon, Eugene Chadbourne, Chamaelo Valgaris Group, Matt Chamberlain, Joe Chambers, The Chance Trio, Vincent Chancey, Change of Time, Thomas Chapin, Denis Charles, Richard Chartier, Ken Chastain, Djamchid Chemiran, Don Cherry, Andrew Cheshire, Claudio Chianura, Chicago Underground, Chien-Yin Chen, Leonid Chizhik, Ellen Christi, Cinematic Orchestra, Circle, Citizen X, Clarinet Summit, Jay Clayton, Cleaning Women, Gerald Cleaver, Climax Golden Twins, Alex Cline, Nels Cline, Cloudland Canyon, Diane Cluck, Clusone Trio, Greg Cohen, Rafael Cohen, Steve Cohn, Cold Bleak Heat, Anthony Coleman, Ornette Coleman, Denis Colin Trio, Collective 4tet, Collective Identity, Graham Collier & The Collective, Eugenie Colombo, Alice Coltrane, John Coltrane, Cory Combs, Conference Call, Graham Connah, Stephen Connolly, Bill Connors, Coat Cooke Trio, Nigel Coombes, Jerome Cooper, Lindsay Cooper, Cooper-Moore, John Corbett, Rich Corpolongo, Christine Correa, Correa-Carlberg Duo, Larry Coryell, Cosmosamatics, Courage, Jacques Coursil, Cousin Silas, Sylvie Courvoisier, Anthony Cox, Rik Cox, Lol Coxhill, Morgan Craft, Ollie Cram, Create (!), Creative Construction Company, George Cremaschi, Crib, Marilyn Crispell, Connie Crothers, Stephen Crump, CTB, Alexis Cuadrado, Curlew, Alvin Curran, Ted Curson, Beth Custer, Stew Cutler, Leo Cuypers, Andrew Cyrille

D

DDYGG (Dodge's Drye Young Glass of Ginnis), Daddy's Band, Tim Daisy, Paolo Damiani, Andrew D'Angelo, Ted Daniel, Olu Dara, Carlo Actis Dato, John Davey, Solamen David, Anthony Davis, Emery Davis, Ian Davis, Matt Davis, Miles Davis, Ernest Dawkins, DayVee & The Rockett Band, Elton Dean, Dan DeChellis, Dedalus, Deep Listening Band, Degenerate Art Ensemble, Jack DeJohnette, Chris Delaurenti, Benoit Delbecq, Tobias Delius, James Dell'Orefice see Buca Pecuna, Nick Del'Nero, David Demnitz, Stuart Dempster, Amy Denio, Denominators, Derek and the Ruins, Tom DeSteno, Roberto Detree, Ernesto Diaz-Infante, Robert Dick, Whit Dickey, Die Like a Dog Quartet, Ralph Diekemper, Jorrit Dijkstra, Mike Dillon, Thomas Dimuzio, Divination, Bill Dixon, DJ Spooky, DKV Trio, Aaron Dodd, Le Doight De Galilee, Dolbar, Eric Dolphy, Uz Jsme Doma, Barbara Donald, Michel Doneda, Christy Doran, Pierre Dorge, Axel Dorner, Double Naught Spy Car, Dave Douglas, Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio, John Drac, Hamid Drake, Dreamend, Paul Dresher, Mark Dresser, Arnold Dreyblatt, Kevin Drumm, Drumplay, Andrew Drury, William Duckworth, Marc Ducret, Gerd Dudek, Dukew, Randall Dunn, Paul Dunmail, The Durham Ox Singers, Dominic Duval, Johnny Dyani, Ann Dyer, The Dyslectics

E

EKG, Ex, The, Earth People, Marc Edwards, Moritz Eggert, Marty Ehrlich, Marty Ehrlich's Dark Woods Ensemble, Markus Eichenberger, Eric Eigner, Elise Einarsdottir, Bruce Eisenbeil, Either/Orchestra, El-P, Elan, Elegy, Robert Eliscu, Ehran Elisha, Ellipsis, Don Ellis, Lisle Ellis, Mike Ellis, Liberty Ellman, Nedley Elstak, Kahil El' Zabar, Carol Emanuel, James Emery, Marco Eneidi, Roger Eno, Peter Epstein, Equal Interest Trio, Marty Erlich, Ilhan Ersahin, Booker Ervin, ESE, Ellery Eskelin, Pierre Esteve, John Etheridge, Andrew Eulau, Brandon Evans, Gil Evans, Evidence, explosion: cerebral, Extra Virgin, Ez Pour Spout

F

FJF, Face Ditch, Jon Faddis, Peter Fairclough, The Fantastic Merlins, Far East Side Band, Kali Z. Fasteau, Malachi Favors, Pierre Favre, James Fei, Misha Feigin, Mark Feldman, Marcos Fernandes, Agusti Fernandez, Mongezi Feza, Scott Fields, Fieldwork, Figure 8 (Rova X 2), Milo Fine, Milo Fine Free Jazz Ensemble, Michael Jon Fink, James Finn, Fire, Donat Fisch, Morgan Fisher, David Fiuczynski, Hans Fjellestad, Paul Flaherty, Flaming Fire, Ingebrigt H†ker Flaten, J. B. Floyd, Flugelschlag!, Fluid Motion, The Flying Luttenbachers, Henry Flynt, Brigitte Fontaine, Forest Floor, Joel Forrester, Michael Formanek, Chris Forsyth, Forward Energy, Donal Fox, Jim Fox, Peter Fraize, Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey, Free Music Quintet, Frequency, Erik Friedlander, The Fringe, Bill Frisell, Henrik Frisk, Fred Frith, Wolfgang Fuchs, Cor Fuhler, Satoko Fujii, Yuichiro Fujimoto, Ellen Fullman, The Fully Celebrated Orchestra, Stephane Furic, Joel Futterman

G

GMT, Gaijin, Yoav Gal, Eddie Gale, Ganelin Trio, Vyacheslav Ganelin, Kyle Gann, Garbo's Hat, Todd Garfinkle, Peter Garland, Carlos Garnett, Jimmy Garrison, Jeff Gauthier, Charles Gayle, Gianni Gebbia, Heinz Geisser, Genelin, Carol Genetti, The Georgian Ensemble, Mike Georgin, Renato Geremia, Chris Gestrin, Joe Giardullo 4tet, The Gideon Leeches, Paul Giger, John Gilmore, Gisburg, Jimmy Giuffre, Frode Gjerstad, Glands Of External Secretion, Mike Glendinning, Globe Unity Orchestra, Go-GO Fightmaster, Gold Sparkle Band, Ben Goldberg, Golden Quartet, Malcolm Goldstein, Vinny Golia, Anne Gomez, Dennis Gonzalez, Good For Cows, Joe Goode, Annie Gosfield, Gunda Gottschalk, Alan Gowen, Andre Goudbeek, Georg Graewe, Gerhard Graml's Lunapark, Jerry Granelli, Lou Grassi, Frank Gratkowski, Mel Graves, Milford Graves, John Greaves, Green Sneaky Chili, Burton Greene, Sonny Greenwich, Gregor Samsa, Guillermo Gregorio, Michael Gregory, Drew Gress, Grey Ghost, Robert Griffin, Fernando Grillo, Henry Grimes, Groove Weaver, David Gross, Richard Grossman, Groundtruther, Gruppo Di Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza, Louis Guarino Jr., Andy Guhl, Guinea Pig, Gul 3, Gush, Mats Gustafsson, Barry Guy, Guy-Gustafsson-Strid Trio, Vyacheslov Guyvoronsky

H

Ha Ha Potato, Haazz And Company, Habarigani, Alexander Hacke, Haco, Charlie Haden, Keiji Haino, Hall Of fame, Rich Halley, Peter Michael Hamel, Tom Hamilton, Kate Hammett-Vaughan, Ross Hammond, J. J. Hamon, Gunter Hampel J. J. Hamon, George Handy, Nathan Hanson, Har-You Percussion Group, Takashi Harada, Harmonia Ensemble, Billy Harper, Joe Harriott, Joe Harriott & John Mayer Double Quintet, Beaver Harris, Craig Harris, Jerome Harris, Trevor Hart, Alfred 23 Harth, Bob Hartig, Caroline Hartig, Royal Hartigan, Dave Hartl, Mark Harvey, Earl Harvin, Hasidic New Wave, Gary Hassay, Jon Hassell, Shuta Hasunuma, Anton Hatwich, Brad Hauser, Franz Hautzinger, Sachi Hayasaka, Graham Haynes, Kees Hazevoet, Headless Household, Don Heckman, Mark Helias, Erdem Helvacioglu, Gerry Hemingway, Julius Hemphill, Rob Henke, William Henshall, Lance Henson, Herb Robertson NY Downtown Allstars , Peter Herbert, Fred Hess, John Heward, Kato Hideki, Billy Higgins, Andrew Hill, Shelley Hirsch, Fred Ho, Jim Hobbs, Jay Hoggard, Dave Holland, Joseph Holbrooke, John Hollenbeck, Lars Hollmer, Bill Holt, Tristan Honsinger, Hall Renaldo Hooker, William Hooker, Fred Hopkins, Hugh Hopper, Glenn Horiuchi, Michael Hornstein, Ron Horton, Wayne Horvitz, Sten Hostfalt, Hot Buttered Rhythm, Hot Troche, Hotel X, Francois Houle, Earl Howard, John Howard Trio, Noah Howard, Steve Hubback, Brian Hudson, Human Feel, Carolyn Hume, Hurtmold, Caleb Hutslar, Jason Hwang, Ken Hyder, (Andy Laster's) Hydra, David Hykes

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I. C. P., Susie Ibarra, Icebreaker, Iconoclast, ICP Orchestra, If, Bwana, If Thousands, The Industrial Jazz Group, InnerEar Brigade, Insect Brain, Inside/Out Trio, Isotope 217, Italian Instabile Orchestra, Interzone, Tarje Isungset, Ethan Iverson, Ivanovich, IvoryWinds, Enver Izmailov, Mark Izu,

J

J. D. And The Sons Of Rhythm, Isaiah Jackson, Michael Gregory Jackson, Jacobs Stories, Peter Jacquemyn, Khan Jamal, Bob James, Jon Jang, Peter Janson, Joseph Jarman, Keith Jarrett, Kazzrie Jaxen, The Jazz Composers Collective, Leroy Jenkins, Jeffrey Daniel Jensen, Jesus Burger, Jan Johansson, Johann Johannson, Sven-Ake Johansson, Evan Johns, Scott Johnson, Tom Johnson, Lynn Johnston, Phillip Johnston, Jon, Brad Jones, Chris Jonas, Elvin Jones, Jean Claude Jones, The Jongleurs, Kenneth Jonsson, David Jordan, Kidd Jordan, Victoria Jordanova, Oliver Jorgens, Anders Jormin, Juez, Junk Genius

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Kadash, Henry Kaiser, The Kalikak Family, Kamikaze Ground, Kammerflimmer Kollektief, Yael Kanarek, Kaoru, Ori Kaplan, Pandelis Karayorgis, Jessica Karraker, Johnny Katchoolik, Achim Kaufmann, Keen-O, Ed Kelly, Hans Kennel, Stephen Kent, Kent Kessler, Mike Keusen, Mike Khoury, Franklin Kiermyer, Carla Kihlstedt, Mari Kimura, Kindred Soul, John King, Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Boris Kischkat, Guy Klucevsek, Skeebo Knight, Christof Knoche, Die Knodel, Jim Knodle, Franz Koglmann, Charlie Kohlhase, Makigami Koichi, Kolm3, Kombinat M, Krzysztof Komeda, Toshinori Kondo, Anders Koppel, Benjamin Koppel, Peter Kowald, Krakatau, David Krakauer, Wolf Krakowski, Briggan Krauss, Krill, Karin Krog, Christina Kubisch, Joachim Kuhn, Sergey Kuryokhin

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Anne La Berg, Diane Labrosse, Labirynt, Laconnor, Steve Lacy, Laissez Faire, Oliver Lake, Lakes, Andrew Lamb, Michel Lambert, Byard Lancaster, Steven Lantner, Libby Larsen, Prince Lasha, Last Exit, Andy Laster, John Law, Bill Laswell, Lava, Daunik Lazro, The Leaders, Pascal Le Boeuf, Jeanne Lee, Okkyung Lee, Henry Lee, Peggy Lee, Phoebe Legere, ,Steve Lehman, Thomas Lehn, Urs Leimgruber, Lemon Juice Quartet, Gianni Lenoci, Daniel Lentz, Mark Leonard, Neil Leonard, Peter Lemer, Marilyn Lerner, Gan Lev, Pete Levin, Tony Levin, Levitts, George Lewis, The Liar's Rosebush, The Lickets, Steuart Liebig, Dave Liebman, Abbey Lincoln, John Lindberg, Jeanette Lindstrom, Booker Little, John Litton-Baroi, Living Daylights, Fredrik Ljungkvist, Charles Lloyd, Jon Lloyd, Lo & Behold, Fabio Locurcio, Marco Locurcio, Giuseppe Logan, Fred Lonberg-Holm, Frank London, Scott R. Looney, Loops, Loose Tubes, Ramon Lopez, Ania Losinger, Russ Lossing, Paolo Lotti, Lounge Lizards, Allen Lowe, Frank Lowe, Lower Monumental, Bernard Lubat, Alvin Lucier, Lunge, Evan Lurie, John Lurie, Rene Lussier, Jonas Lyn, Jimmy Lyons, Paul Lytton

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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 6, 2008 12:03:27 PM PDT
willm says:
Now that you mention it,to quote Etta James,"At Laaaaaast.........."

http://www.mosaicrecords.com/prodinfo.asp?number=242-MD-CD

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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 8, 2008 11:12:29 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 8, 2008 11:17:25 AM PDT
Spartacus says:
"Now we can pick & choose our retro style...Let's bring back singers while we're at it."

Not sure what you're saying at the end there. What has bothered me in recent years is that even the amount of time I spend on listening, which is considerable, doesn't suffice to make me aware of all the wonderful things that are happening out there in the great unknown. Used to be that if you were near some major city like New York where you can explore the clubs and if you listened to a few good DJs (Sid Torin, Mort Fega, Al Collins, Ed Beech, etc.) you could be pretty sure not much got past you.) Maybe that was never true. But today you can be dead certain it is. Jazz radio has dumbed down greatly and the avant garde aren't particularly welcomed in many if not most clubs. Also the numbers of working jazz musicians has increased greatly (not to mention the vast army of unemployed but extremely talented quasi-professionals who play in house bands and jam in bars from here to Timbuktu). In addition, jazz in many countries all over the globe has matured to a degree that a stream of great musicians from all over the world has been added that challenge any coming out of the US when it come to skill and imagination. So how do you keep up with all this? Well I tried to start a thread like this on Yahoo, but found no audience. I tried to import an avant garde musician list that I had put on Yahoo which is very, very large, but Amazon has a 16k post limit and that won't fit. (Maybe I'll break it up and try again.) Meanwhile I was thinking about starting a few posts about really interesting avant garde musicians and groups that are underexposed. That might be a lot of fun, especially if others chimed in with the same. More on that later when I have the time. Meanwhile if anyone would like to comment on some of their undiscovered favorites, give it your best shot! Have fun, all!

Dan

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 8, 2008 1:37:34 PM PDT
Nikica Gilic says:
I m not an expert on avant-garde; I like some recordings by Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane and some others; I'd like to ask another question, remotely relevant...

Actually, what's wrong with history? And historical styles - other arts are not seriously judged by the mere feature of innovation, why should jazz be any exception? I was born in the 70s and most of the jazz I like the most is recorded before I was born...

But, that question aside,
I would like to read more post by millionrainbows and other contributors of the same persuasion; I think it would be very enlightening for me.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 8, 2008 1:38:02 PM PDT
Nikica Gilic says:
I m not an expert on avant-garde; I like some recordings by Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane and some others; I'd like to ask another question, remotely relevant...

Actually, what's wrong with history? And historical styles - other arts are not seriously judged by the mere feature of innovation, why should jazz be any exception? I was born in the 70s and most of the jazz I like the most is recorded before I was born...

But, that question aside,
I would like to read more post by millionrainbows and other contributors of the same persuasion; I think it would be very enlightening for me.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 8, 2008 7:16:39 PM PDT
Jay Ambler says:
Dan, please break up your list of Avant Grade muscians and post here, I am anxious to see what you have. Meanwhile, I'll compile what Amazon deems as AG and share here.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 9, 2008 2:04:56 AM PDT
Spartacus says:
There is nothing "wrong" with historical styles. What is wrong is the commercial bias against innovation and those who seek to supress innovation in favor of only allowing the presentation of "classic" art or jazz. The most glaring example of that was the Nazis who called innovation "degenerate" art and destroyed every example they laid their hands on. While nothing as glaring as that goes on today, there are still forces in the world that discriminate heavily against innovators and who would be happier if innovation ceased to exist. We who enjoy avant garde art and/or music only ask for fair treatment and freedom from attack and economic discrimination. Without some innovation the arts would die completely. Ask yourself what would happen if a law were passed saying that since there are plenty of good old songs around, from now on writing new song lyrics will be against the law and anyone caught doing that would be sent to prison. Ridiculous? Well, what if Lincoln Center were to ban jazz in any style developed since the bebop? You might say, well that's their free choice. But what if every club and concert hall did that? OK with you, because perhaps you didn't like that new stuff anyway? Well, where do you draw the line? Not an easy question. But how about that happening back in the days of early New Orleans jazz. Then there wouldn't be any bobop today or swing or any other of the now "classic" forms of jazz. Why try to make this a forum for promoting someone's preference for "classic jazz"? Isn't there enough room on other forums for that? Or is it that some people feel threatened by innovation and aren't comfortable with any discussion dedicated to the avant garde?

Dan

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 9, 2008 2:11:19 AM PDT
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Spartacus says:
AVANT GARDE LIST (Continued from above)

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David MacBride, Jose Maceda, Teo Macero, Machine Gun, Madnomad, Jon Madof, Bob Magnuson, Maher Shalal Hash Baz, David Mahler, Malachy Papers, Raphe Malik, Mandala Octet, Alberto Mandarini, Joe Maneri, Mat Maneri, Albert Mangelsdorff, Ahmad Mansour, Michael Mantler, Maraca, Michael Marcus, Denman Maroney, Mars 2 Earth, Ingram Marshall, Masada, Togashi Masahiko, Miya Masaoka, Keshavan Maslak, Jean-Louis Matinier, Lyle Mays, Marilyn Mazur, Rob Mazurek, Ernesto Martinez, Cecil McBee, Steve McCall, Pete McCann, Busy McCarroll, Thollem McDonas, Chris McGregor, Dion McGregor, Bill McHenry, Kalaparusha Maurice McIntyre, Makanda Ken McIntyre, John McNeil, Joe McPhee, Andy McWain Quartet, Meat Beat Manifesto, Rajesh Mehta, Myra Melford, Melk The G6-49, Gil Melle, Misha Mengelberg, Mephista, Metronomes, Paul Metzger, Piotr Michalowski, Yagi Michiyo, Microscopic Septet, Christof Migone, Palle Mikkelborg, Ron Miles, Naomi Millender, Vladimir Miller, Milosc, Bart Miltenberger, Milwaukee Creative Music Ensemble, Xiao-Fen Min, Pino Minafra, Dom Minasi, Lee Pui Ming, Charles Mingus, Miniature, Phil Minton, Misinterprotato, Seth Misterka, Nicole Mitchell, Roscoe Mitchell, mJane, Mob Trio, Hafez Modirzadeh, Charles Moffett, Louis Moholo, mojoe boes, Nils Peter Molvaer, Grachan Moncur III, Ben Monder, Meredith Monk, Thelonious Monk, Monkey Orchestra, Irene Moon, Jemeel Moondoc, Moondog, Andy Moor, Michael Moore, Phil Moore, Thurston Moore, Virgil Moorefield, Robert Moran, Ikue Mori, Joe Morris, Lawrence Butch Morris, Wilber Morris, John Morton, Phil Mosberg, Moscow Composers Orchestra, Bob Moses, Norbert Moslang, Dushun Mosley, David Moss, Paul Motian, Motion Trio, Mount Everest Trio, Famoudou Don Moye, Idris Muhammad, Mujician, Gordon Mumma, Paul Murphy, David Murray, Diedre Murray, Sunny Murray, Music Ensemble, Music Revelation Ensemble, Music Vision Producers, The Musician, MX-80, My Cat Is An Alien, Amina Claudine Myers, Myth Science

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Simon Nabatov, Nachtluft, Nadja, Naftule's Dream, Ron Nagorcka, Nail, Pete Namlook, Sainkho Namtchylak, Naphtali, Ted Nash, Nanette Natal, Roy Nathanson, Alon & Talot Nechushtan, Neanderthal Allen, Buell Neidlinger, Al Neil, The Nervous DJ, New and Used, New Klezmer Trio, New Winds, New York Art Quartet, New York Composers Orchestra, New York Contemporary Five, James Newton, Lauren Newton, Nexus, Giancarlo Nicolai, Buschi Niebergall, Bob Nieske, Nihil Project, Paal Nilssen-Love, Nista Nija Nista, Bern Nix, Natassja Noctis, Noertker's Moxie, The Nommonsemble, Sean Noonan, Kjell Nordeson, Oscar Noriega, Northwoods Improvisers, Not Missing Drums Project, NRD, NRG Ensemble

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Larry Ochs, The Octopus Project, Phil Ogison, Ogogo, Old and New Dreams, Pauline Oliveros, One Ring Zero, One Umbrella, OneKingPoets, Options/Ughi, Duru Omson, Orange Then Blue, Orchestra U.S.A., L'Orkestre des Pas Perdus, Oruga, Greg Osby, Ossatura, Bob Ostertag, Other Dimensions In Music, The Other Quartet, Ovary Lodge, Oxbow, Tony Oxley

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Pachora, Pago Libre, Painkiller, Daniel Panasenko, Charles Papasoff, Errol Parker, Evan Parker, Jeff Parker, William Parker, Andrea Parkins, Zeena Parkins, Longineu Parsons, Hermeto Pascoal, Alan Pasqua, Pastiche, Mike Pathos, Michael F. Patterson, Mike Patton, Pat Patrick, Mario Pavone, Gary Peacock, Sarah Peebles, Wayne Peet, Pendro, Christopher Penrose, Jim Pepper, Ivo Perelman, Shawn Persinger, Steve Peters, Daniel Peterson, "Marvin ""Hannibal"" Peterson", Randy Peterson, Didier Petit, Petite Art Orchestra, PexbaA, PG Six, Phalanx, Phantasmagoria, Barre Phillips, Piano Circus Band, Astor Piazzolla, Adam Pieronczik, Dominique Pifarely, Pink Noise Saxophone Quartet, Julien Pinol, Fabrizio Plessi, Paul Plimley, Larry Polansky, Ponga, Positive Knowledge, Pothole Skinny, Richard Povall, Powerlunch, Prana Trio, Tom Prehn, Sam Prekop, Don Preston, Bobby Previte, Mike Pride, Julian Priester, Prima Materia, The primeTime sublime Community Orchestra, Prince Lasha Quintet, Les Projectionnistes, Nicholas Prost, Frank Proto, Danny Pucillo DPQ, Dudu Pukwana, Don Pullen, Pip Pyle, Pyrolator

Q

Q4, Eric Qin, Quartet Noir, Quartett

R

R. U. B., Francois Rabbath, Rabbinical School Dropouts, Michael Rabinowitz, Hugh Ragin,
Rale, Ramleh, Lee Ranaldo, Kristjan Randalu, Random Access, Phil Ranelin, Jon Madof Rashanim, Kaspar Rast, Michael Ray, Scot Ray Quintet, The Rebel, Rebel Powers, Receptor Sight, Dewey Redman, Steve Reich, Hans Reichel, Ted Reichman, Jeff Reilly, Ray Riendeau, Blaine Reininger, Dave Rempis, Judith Ren-Lay, Marco Repetto, rev. 99, Revolutionary Ensemble, Roger Reynolds, Reynols, Rhythm and Brass, Marc Ribot, Edoardo Ricci, Jakob Riis, Howard Riley, Bill Risby, Rick Rivera, Sam Rivers, Max Roach, Gino Robair, Pete Robbins, Kevin Robinson Ensemble, Perry Robinson, Roberto J. Rodriguez, Jason Roebke, Roedelius, Perry Robinson, Robotobibok, Marek Rogulski, Rollerball, Neil B. Rolnick, Aldo Romano, Barry Romberg, Rent Romus, Scott Rosenberg, David Rosenboom, Michele Rosewoman, Marc Rossi, Mick Rossi, Ekkehard Rossle, Eric Roth, Ned Rothenberg, Rova, Rova Saxophone Quartet, Jess Rowland, Donald Rubinstein, Roswell Rudd, Rude, Adam Rudolph, Rik Rue, Stephen Rush, George Russell, Hal Russell, John Russell, Russian & German Composers Quartet, Paul Rutherford, Jim Ryan, Terje Rypdal

S

S. E. M. Ensemble, S. Y. P. H., Ryuichi Sakamot, Jamie Saft, Claude St-Jean, Saint Of Killers, Angelica Sanchez, Pharoah Sanders, Ric Sanders, Cavendish Sanguine, Trichy Sankaran, Santo Subito, Sao Paulo Underground, Saheb Sarbib, Georgi Sareski, Devin Sarno, Satanique Samba Trio, Satiah, Somei Satoh, SaxEmble, Jenny Scheinman, Peter Scherer, Giancarlo Schiaffini
Mario Schiano, Peter Schmid, Tom Schmidt, Wally Schnalle, Maria Schneider, Carter Scholz, John Schott, Philip Schroeder, Ed Schuller, Gunther Schuller, Irene Schweizer, Ben Schwendener, Bob Schwimmer, Dylan van der Schyff, Scientifically Speaking, Louis Sclavis, Stefano Scodanibbio, Robert Scott, Stephen Scott, The Sea Ensemble, Marcello Sebastiani, Gary Seber, Second Sight, Zbigniew Seifert, Yamamoto Seiichi, Sephardic Tinge, Ingrid Sertso, Set Fire To Flames, Sex Mob, Barbara Sfraga, Shalabi Effect, Lakshi Shankar, Paul Shapiro, Elliott Sharp, Sonny Sharrock, Brad Shepik, Archie Shepp, Sahib Shihab, SHIM, Matthew Shipp, Alan Shorter, Todd Sickafoose, Siecox, Aaron Siegel, Alan Silva, Nicolas Simion, Sonny Simmons, Ralph Simon, Sinebag, Liam Singer, Sirone, Ted Sirota, Sisters Euclid, Six of a Perfect Pair, Skerik, Alan Skidmore, Skin Area, Nick Skrowaczewski, Scott Slapin, Chas Smith, Damon Smith, Daniel Ian smith, Joshua Smith, Wadada Leo Smith, Paul Smoker, Social Interiors, Sodacake, Lisa Sokolov, Solo SouLja, Stefano Scodanibbio, Scott Solter, Soma, Alan Sondheim, Sonic Youth, Sonore, Harvey Sorgen, Souvenir, Spaceheads, Spaceways Incorporated, Spanish Fly, Woody Sparks, Glenn Spearman, Chris Speed, Martin Speicher, Spires That In The Sunset Rise, Spitznagel, Spring Heel Jack, David Stackenäs, Heiner Stadler, David Stahl, Jim Staley, Arturo Stalteri, Burkhard Stangl, Tomasz Stanko, Jason Stanyek, The Stark Jehova Ensemble, Steam, Steelwool Trio, Jeremy Steig, Stendeck, Colin Stetson, John Stevens, Michael Jefry Stevens, Joshua Stevenson, Sticks and Stones, G. E. Stinson, Carl Stone, Dave Storrs, String Trio of New York, Andrei Strobert, John Stubblefield, Stuck Sturm Brothers, Hans Sturm, Sublingual Ensemble, Stylized Monkeys, Chris Sullivan, Sun Ra, Super Rainbow, Supergenerous, John Surman, Margaret Sutherland, Skuli Sverrisson, Sweetheart, Steve Swell, Swim This

T

Tabla Beat Science, Craig Taborn, Jamaaladeen Tacuma, Tafich, M. Takara, Aki Takase, Masayuki Takayanagi, Nobukazu Takemura, Tales In Tones Trio, Talking Pictures, Tambastics, Hans Tammen, Natsuki Tamura, Horace Tapscott, Yoshida Tatsuya, Jonas Tauber, Jon Tavener, Cecil Taylor, John Taylor, Michael Taylor, Tchangodei, John Tchicai, Richard Teitelbaum, Okay Temiz, Tonino Tesei, Test, The Thing, Third Impulse, Thirteen Ghosts, Bobby Thomas, Carei Thomas, Gary Thomas, Leon Thomas, Luther Thomas, Malachi Thompson, Michael Thompson, Robert Scott Thompson, Henry Threadgill, Threnody Ensemble, Thuja, Tigersmilk, Tin Hat Trio, Julie Tippett, Keith Tippett, Masahiko Togashi, Tokyo 77, David Torn, Tomato Box, Joe Tomino, Adachi Tomomi Royal Chorus, The Tone Road Ramblers, Tiziano Tononi, Tonus-Music-Records, Filip Topol And Agon Orchestra, Rafael Toral, David Torn, Torture Chorus, Benjamin Toth, Trace Elements, Sebi Tramontana, Transcendental Psychology, Transition Trio, Transmission, Trapist, Tres Gone, Tri Cornered Tent Show, Tricolor, Tridruga, Trigger, Trio 3, Trio AAB, Trio Ereb, Trio Hurricane, Trio Poursuite, Trio Transition, Trio X, Triobits, Triptych Myth, Lennie Tristano, Ric Troll, David Tronzo, Gianluigi Trovesi, Trummerflora, Mikolaj Trzaska, Assif Tsahar, Tuba Mirum Unlimited, Inc., Tunnels, Dave Tucker West Coast Project, "Blue" Gene Tyranny, Charles Tyler

U

UAF, Federico Ughi, Birgit Ulher, Gebhard Ullmann, James Blood Ulmer, Tomas Ulrich, Kazutoki Umezu, Univers Zero, Up There Trio, Upsilon Acrux, Urban Survival, Michal Urbaniak, Utrecht Deep Artment

V

James Van Buren, Fred Van Hove, Luc Van Lieshout, Ken Vandermark, Jasper Van'T Hof, Anatoly Vapirov, Tom Varner, Cello Vasconcellos, Vektor, Velvetspasm, Edward Vesala, Chris Vestra, Vibes, The Michael Vick Trip, The Vienna Art Orchestra, Teemu Vinkainen, Biggi Vinkeloe, Stephen Vitiello, Miroslav Vitous, John Voigt, Ute Volker, Eric Von Essen, Alexander von Schlippenbach, Cuong Vu, Petras Vysniauskas

W

Abdul Wadud, Marc Wagnon, Collin Walcott, Mal Waldron, Marty Walker, Greg Wall, Bennie Wallace, Linus Waller, Per Henrik Wallin, Dan Warburton, David S. Ware, Dennis Warren, Frederick Washington Jr., The Washington Street Players, Monty Waters, Patty Waters, The Watery Graves, The Marzette Watts Ensemble, Trevor Watts, Barry Wedgle, Lauren Weinger, Jimmy Weinstein, Mathew Welch, Leif Wennerstrom, Paul Wertico, Rich West, Mike Westbrook, Westbrook Music Theatre, Calvin Weston, What We Live, Kenny Wheeler, Mark Whitecage, Wolter Wierbos, White Earth Streak, Joan Wildman, Edward Wilkerson Jr., Clive Wilkinson, Andreas Willers, Danny Williams, Larry Willis, Hal Willner, Charles Wilp, Bert Wilson, Matt Wilson, Mattias Windemo, Windsor For The Darby, Norma Winstone, Michel Wintsch, Wisp, Jah Wobble, Nils Wogram, Christopher Woitach, Wolf Eyes, Christian Wolff, Bill Wolford, Kenny Wollesen, W.O.O. Revelator, Brian Woodbury, Charles Rahmat Woods, Jimmy Woods, Rich Woodson, Reggie Workman, World Saxophone Quartet, Worrytrain, Frank Wright, Jack Wright, Robert Wyatt, Stich Wynston

X

X-Legged Sally, Xinlisupreme , xmarsx

Y

Yitzhak Yedid, Michael Yoder, Tatsuya Yoshida, Otomo Yoshihide, Yosuke Yamashta

Z

Danny Zamir, Zamla Mammaz Manna, Bobby Zankel, Stanley Jason Zappa, Zappatistas, Zelienople, Michael Zerang, Zga, Matthias Ziegler, Dale Ziemianski, Patrick Zimmerli, Zimoun, Carlos Zingaro, James Zitro, John Zorn, Zu, Zubi Zuva, Peter Zummo

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 9, 2008 3:00:08 AM PDT
Nikica Gilic says:
Dan

quote:
"Why try to make this a forum for promoting someone's preference for "classic jazz"? Isn't there enough room on other forums for that? Or is it that some people feel threatened by innovation and aren't comfortable with any discussion dedicated to the avant garde?"

I don't know enough about avant-garde music (I prefer "classic" jazz), but I'm willing to learn and hope there be many posts on the subject of avant garde music... I'm quite comfortable with discussions in which I enter to learn.

I can't speak that convincingly for the US, but I think that trends towards "conservativism" and "avangardism" always coexist - for instance, in visual arts (in galleries, museums, etc., including universties) the Europe is conquered by the "avant garde" (which is neither bad nor good in my opinion; I'm just describing the situation)...

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 9, 2008 4:19:49 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 9, 2008 5:38:55 AM PDT
stevign says:
Dan

re: "there are still forces in the world that discriminate heavily against innovators and who would be happier if innovation ceased to exist"

Unlike the the late sixties and early 70s when record companies saw the writing on the wall and searched out Rock bands who were different from each other and guitarists who were new, innovative and able to do more than just pump out a few notes for a 2:43 second song on an album.

Being in business, even the music business is always a gamble and many are going to play it safe, that's just nature and there's nothing wrong with that but it does lead to boredom, complacency, and 20 Madonna clones until the the "next big thing" comes along. This of course is usually brought on by someone who took an even bigger gamble than the other guys.

I remember an interview with Lorne Greene form Bonanza many years ago where the host asked Lorne about his long acting career and how tough it is in Hollywood ect.

He said there are 4 stages of stardom and it goes like this:

Who's Lorne Greene?
Get me Lorne Greene!
Get me a young Lorne Greene.
Who's Lorne Greene?

In short, AR men are just like fashion designers who go check out what the kids are wearing and how they have altered their clothing ect.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 9, 2008 8:50:36 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 9, 2008 8:55:22 AM PDT
Spartacus says:
re: "used to do an avant-garde show every Thursday" The operative words here are "used to"!

I live in an area where there is a 24 hour jazz station that brags about being America's # 1 jazz station.

Last November I sent them a stinging letter in which I gave examples of musicians I had never heard them play even once:

The AALY Trio, Muhal Richard Abrams, George Adams, Ben Allison, Art Ensemble of Chicago, Albert Ayler, The Bad Plus, Billy Bang, Hamiet Bluiett, Lester Bowie, Anthony Braxton, Peter Brotzmann, Marion Brown, Don Byron, Roy Campbell, Chicago Underground, Elton Dean, Jack DeJohnette, Bill Dixon, Dave Douglas, Malachi Favors, Bill Frisell, Vyacheslav Ganelin, Jan Garberek, Jimmy Giuffre, Milford Graves, Julius Hemphill, Billy Higgins, Andrew Hill, Leroy Jenkins, Krzysztof Komeda, Oliver Lake, Bill Laswell, Booker Little, The Maneri Brothers, Albert Mangelsdorff, Grachan Moncur III, David Murray, Sunny Murray

The list could have been longer (by thousands!) I, of course, received no reply to my letter. That station is so focused on raising money from what it believes is its listener base, it plays a constant diet of mainstream jazz and avoids anything that might be considered avant garde, like the plague, for fear that they might offend someone, and it would then cost them an almighty buck! For the most part, only college and exclusively Internet stations play music that's not mainstream. WKCR is the oldest and also a fantastic model when it comes to programming. They once played Bill Dixon every day from noon to 3 for an entire week! Wow!!!

Dan

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 17, 2008 1:05:52 AM PDT
Spartacus says:
Next month The Stone down in the East Village (New York) will be featuring William Parker and Roy Campbell both on the same night (separate sets). Anyone wanting to catch cutting edge stuff in New York has got to check this place out.

http://www.thestonenyc.com/index.html

Dan

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2008 5:46:35 AM PDT
Spartacus says:
millionrainbows and all concerned,

RE: "The harmonic complexity of jazz standards ("All the Things You Are", etc.) was rejected by the avante-garde players of the late 60's/early 70's"

I've been making a collection of jazz versions of "All the Things You Are". So far I am up to 126 jazz recordings, including renditions by the following:

Anthony Braxton, Charles Mingus (several, including the version titled "All The Things You Could Be By Now If Sigmund Freud's Wife Was Your Mother"), Charlie Haden, Willem Breuker Kollektief, Didier Lockwood, Keith Jarrett, Paul Bley, John Lewis & Sasha Distel, Bobby Jaspar, Booker Ervin

Tres intéressant....

Dan

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2008 5:54:05 AM PDT
Spartacus says:
For those interesting in avant garde violinists of widely differing styles, try Billy Bang and Leroy Jenkins.

Dan

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2008 7:21:32 AM PDT
Case Quarter says:
one of my favorites these days, dan, is jason kao hwang. and every now and then i spend time with ornette coleman's violin, some of his pieces on the comlete science fiction sessions of the albums science fiction and broken shadows.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 24, 2008 8:04:09 AM PDT
Re: The Stone, November in NYC

"the project is entitled 'Southern Satellites'
and will feature Gerald Cleaver, Cooper-Moore and others...William Parker said the full final list should be up on the Stone's website by end of the weekend."

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 27, 2008 8:05:02 AM PDT
Spartacus says:
I'm surprised there aren't more jazz violinists. It's a great lead instrument. Many, many years ago a lot of early jazz trumpet players doubled on violin because the two instruments could play similar roles in a unit depending on what particular mood you were trying to establish. Nowadays, the violin seems to be looked at disparagingly by a lot of people, and the result is unfortunate. A couple of years back, Billy Bang was considering dropping the violin entirely in favor of drums (as if there aren't enough drummers!) That would have been a crying shame. I hope the instrument is making a real comeback. In Europe the violinists seem to be more successful, probably because of the tradition of the instrument on the classical scene. What jazz probably needs is a second Vivaldi to show them how it can be done. Anyone have a candidate in mind?

Dan

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 28, 2008 1:11:09 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 28, 2008 1:20:58 PM PDT
I like and oftentimes love Carla Kihlstedt, though I don't know how well (or if at all) she'd go over with a straight jazz crowd. She's done some great-to-fantastic stuff with everything from Book of Knots to Tin Hat Trio to 2 Foot Yard. Were she to guest with someone who's nicely and politely accepted by the Downbeaters, she could certainly swing her way through anything on the cd and gain some more mainstream types of fans, I'm sure.

She's a wonderful singer, too. I love her voice.

Probably more in line with the narrower scope of the thread/topic, I love William Parker's Alphaville Suite cd. It's billed as a "double quartet", the quartets being the normal WP Quartet of WP, Hamid, Lewis and Rob, and then a string quartet of 2 cellos, violin and viola. I love that it isn't a "jazz with strings"/Charlie Parker with Strings type of band/sound where it's like here is the jazz band up front, oh and there's some strings behind for support or for commecial appeal. The whole thing is an integrated, improvisational (obviously involving composition/charts at times also) BAND. If he has anything else out there like this one, I've not heard it.

I'd not heard of any of the string players before that album but they sold me on their talents big time. It's on the french RogueArt label but as of a few e-lists ago, Aum-Fidelity said they got a hold of 10 or 20 of them to sell also.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 28, 2008 4:30:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 28, 2008 4:36:47 PM PDT
Spartacus says:
Hey Pharoah,

Do I have to check that out! I have 32 Parker albums (not counting all the stuff he's on under other people's names. I love the idea of him working with a string quartet. Sounds like it could be something like John Lewis did on the Third Stream album where he combined the MJQ with the Jimmy Guiffre Trio and the Beaux Arts Strinq Quartet. Parker's probably a lot looser, but it could be just as great...can't wait. Thanks for the tip.

Dan

PS How do you like that list of musicians I'm building?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2008 5:37:39 PM PDT
Spartacus says:
Your comparison of jazz to art reminded me of something. There is a strong tendency in painting and sculpture to stay to some degree within the bounds of figurative or representational art (which started out depicting humans , animals, and landscapes. As art advanced it evolved in the direction of abstraction, much of which still contained clearly deliniated forms (lines and geometric structures separated the regions of a canvas. The next phase involved an almost complete liberation from structural form (now only color and texture remained) My own preference is for that final liberation: abstract expressionism. For me that is emotionally very equivalent to the kind of jazz I prefer today-the avant garde (not necessarily "free jazz") Figurative art bores the hell out of me. I have always felt there was some sort of emotional equivalence involved in my preferences. You can't really sort that out because emotions do not-ever-translate neatly into words. You just know it's there.

Dan

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2008 5:38:59 PM PDT
Mat Maneri is really good. I know he plays viola but I can't tell the difference when I hear it. Another string player I dig a lot is Hank Roberts , the cellist.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2008 6:18:32 PM PDT
Yes, but is Monet really any more figurative than Mondrian? Both are jazzlike in that tones, colors, and textures are more important than simple narrative.
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