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Initial post: Aug 7, 2011 9:54:59 AM PDT
I guess that I've been a vinyl freak ever since EP's and LP's began hitting the dealers racks back in the 50's. And, I'm still a vinyl freak, usually managing to find a few each month to add to my collection. Though now, I'm an exremely selective buyer. I certainly cannot afford original Alfred Lyons, Blue Notes any more! They are way, way out of my price bracket. So, what's the attraction. For me, it's the feel of the things; they are just so tactile. Then you have the wonderful (in some cases) sleeve designs and the absolute rarity of some of the music which is unlikely ever to be released on CD. Take Beehives, for instance, the former owner of that company has categorically stated that he will NEVER ever let his sessions be released on CDs. Then, the original pressing for some releases was as low as 500 in many cases so there is a big thrill of hunting down the stuff from specialist dealers and unearthing an absolutly mint copy (sleeve and vinyl)of something rare that you want. Ordereing up a CD from Amazon somehow isn't quite the same. I guess that I also believe that there's a certain underlying investment factor, too, in owning the stuff. So,never mind the storage problems and the huge problems of moving the stuff should you have to move house. I'll live witrh those inconveniences at least for a little while longer. So, in case you haven't guessed, this is a thread EXCLUSIVELY for you guys who, like me, are still buying vinyl.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2011 5:38:49 AM PDT
JVC says:
You are most assuredly not the only vinyl freak still around (although I know it may seem like it at times). I can speak to this from personal experience and also from professional experience. I have vinyl, cassettes, CDs, videotapes, DVDs, and MP3s, etc. Each format has its strengths and weaknesses as well as people who prefer one over the other. Vinyl is still much more active than people seem to realize. There are newer artists releasing things on vinyl but I will stick to the already-released area since that is where my professional experience lies. I worked at a vintage record store for years, stocking and selling everything from 78s to CDs and even piano-rolls if you can imagine that! Cassette tapes sold the least well (and for the least amount of money), CDs slightly better, but vinyl sold the best. Some sales were to collectors, of course, but many, many were not. There has been a debate regarding the quality and durability of vinyl versus CD with regard to needles degrading the vinyl whereas CD/DVD tracks will not have pops, hisses, etc, but although that's true in and of itself it is much easier to break a CD/DVD than it is to break vinyl. I know that early CDs, in particular, did not capture the recorded sound/feel (I've heard the scientific debate, but as we all know music is much more subjective than objective, so that argument really does not hold water). The portability of CDs and MP3s is a huge plus, and I use the technology on an almost-daily basis. However, vinyl has its own, well, for lack of a better term, vibe. It produces a richer overall experience; hence, I tend to have both CD and vinyl collections of artists I really love. Not to mention the fact that you can *read* the liner notes or lyrics on vinyl much easier than on CD. I liken the difference between the 'experience' of vinyl vs CD to be one like the 'experience' between paper books and e-books. There are advantages to both, and there will continue to be people who enjoy both for quite some time to come :)

Posted on Aug 8, 2011 5:14:10 PM PDT
I still have about 60 percent of my collection on vinyl, and buy more of it when I can find it, usually at used record shops like the Jazz Record Center in New York or the Jazz Record Mart in Chicago. Occasionally, Mosaic will release box sets on vinyl, but that is becoming less frequent.

I still like the sound quality of vinyl best. As JVC says, each medium has its pluses and minuses. We also have many vinyl albums autographed by the artists. Getting an autograph on a CD booklet is just not the same thing.

Posted on Aug 9, 2011 8:07:38 AM PDT
Amtak says:
So, where are good places to purchase vinyl, especially for jazz, ethnic and classical that have not been remastered to digital or out of print in digital?

Posted on Aug 9, 2011 9:17:24 AM PDT
Zolar Waka says:
Good bet is www.recordshowsofamerica.com, which provides links to storage product, as well as local shows (for those who seek vinyl).

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2011 9:34:53 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2011 9:57:41 AM PDT
Amtak says:
Thanks, Zolar Waka. I'll connect ASAP to the link you provided. Granted my LP collection is already imprisoning me; I have about 1200 mostly classical but some jazz and ethnic as well, many picked up in remote places around the earth where I was sent to design development projects. Now in retirement (I am a World War II vet, which reveals my age) I hope to preserve them in lossless back up rather than play them all through to the other side. Nevertheless, I am still in the market for LPs that may fill a niche in my collection.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2011 10:01:59 AM PDT
Amtak says:
Thanks, Jerlaw. I'll get on to you shortly; I am preoccupied momentarily with an article I promised to write for a Korean publication. If you happen to have a list, I'll download that.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2011 10:39:35 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2011 1:34:25 PM PDT
Dusty Groove in Chicago is a good place to begin. The staff there are knowledgeable and helpful. They have a good website and their service is excellent. Then, you just have to work up your lists of trustworthy sellers. Ebay can help with that. But, it really depends on what you are searching for. I use Ebay, France for a lot of stuff that was never released in the US though, of course, one has to bear in mind that mailing costs for vinyl albums are higher. No gain without pain, eh? I'm unfortunate in that there is no such thing as a S/H record store in Egypt. So, everything that I buy entails mailing charges.

Posted on Aug 9, 2011 1:37:42 PM PDT
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Just acquired this week a twofer of the Earl Hines Orchestra with the great Marva Josie on vocals. That woman has five and a half octaves, would you believe? A very underrated (there's that word again) vocalist, I believe.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2011 2:24:51 PM PDT
Amtak says:
Thousands of thanks, Mr. Campbell. Egypt, eh? Exciting place to be these days. I stayed there some years ago, designing a rural health program which the military kept trying to absorb. At one point they requested for half-track ambulances. Toward the end, I racked my brain to find a way to use my Egyptian pounds, which had no exchange value outside Egypt. Finally entered a bookstore (our conversation was in French!) whose owner, once assured of my sincerity, pulled a lever beneath a bookshelf, and voila! opened a secret door into a cellar filled with valuable ancient volumes. Perhaps there are some jazz disks lurking behind another secret door in Cairo.

Posted on Aug 9, 2011 8:07:31 PM PDT
willm says:
Southeast(US)- Papa Jazz

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 10, 2011 9:17:13 AM PDT
Amtak says:
Thanks, whim. I'm getting a gratifying number of responses, yours included, about what I originally imagined to be a barren field. Certainly enough to justify pulling out of storage the marvelous B&O tangential-pickup turntable that I have been hanging on to for years, hoping this day would come.

Posted on Aug 10, 2011 9:59:54 AM PDT
I intend to become a vinyl freak myself. I bought my first vinyls in 1982 and switched to CD five years later, but I every time I go back to my mum's house (which also contains a treasure of 1000 Jazz and Rock vinyls left there by my late stepbrother) I put the vinyls on - and nothing else. The feel, the scale of the artwork, the smell, the black beauty of the grooves, the rotating side with its arm on (nostalgia of a bygone era? ask the techno & dance DJs )- and if you take reasonable care of it, it won't scratch or jump. A lot of my recently purchased CDs jump irrevocably: there's nothing you can do about it. A vinyl can be cleaned - if you have been careless enough to let dust cake on its surface. Moreover, vinyls have a more natural music stretch: a 20 minutes side is just perfect, even for a classical sonata, say; and you can move to some other music. CDs are generally too long, unless you want to listen to Mahler symphony.
I'm about to move to a big city where i'll be able to chase lots of vinyl. I intend to rebuild my Miles Davis collection all in vinyl!! second-hand or not - really looking forward to it.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 10, 2011 2:15:32 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 10, 2011 2:17:02 PM PDT
Amtak,
Egyptians are not good at taking care of things. In 20 years here, I've not discovered one single playable S/H LP of any genre that had been owned by an Egyptian. Through the grapevine, I did hear about a little collection of jazz shellac and vinyl that had been donated by an expat to a Christmas bazaar that was kindly put aside until I was able to inspect. It was in what I would call acceptable condition so I bought out of a sort of misguided sense of duty. The last purchase before that had been about 15 years previously, a mixed selection of jazz and rock vinyl from the 60's. So, no sealed tombs filled with mint jazz vinyl, I'm afraid! There is, however, a very tattered original Sun Ra poster formerly owned by the now deceased Salah Raghab, the Egyptian percussionist who played with Ra for a while. Very meagre pickings here, Amtak.

Posted on Aug 10, 2011 8:08:05 PM PDT
M. Robinson says:
Hey I'm 21 (not that it matters) but I love Vinyl. I have a sony record player to record the records to my pc and I'm working on a blog for Vinyl records. I love to shop for jazz records at this particular bookstore that also sells used records. I recently got some Dave Brubeck (Two Generations Of and Jazz Impressions Of Eurasia) and Wes Montgomery (Goin' Out Of My Head). I luckily picked up a rare Billie Holiday at Columbia set as well. I enjoy it all!

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 12, 2011 9:16:25 PM PDT
willm says:
You might want one of these turntables-

http://importantrecords.com/audioshop/rega-rp1

Personally,I prefer music-DVD's over any other format,but few exist,understandably:you could put The Beatles entire catalog,music and movies on one or two discs...

Mode records has the largest collection with many unpopular modern classical composers,but the sound quality puts an end to any vinyl versus CD debate...

http://www.moderecords.com/modedvds.html

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 13, 2011 8:11:33 AM PDT
Amtak says:
Thanks again, whim. I have indeed considered transferring some of my LPs to DVD, especially where I have several from the same composer; and I have been searching for DVD storage of quality equivalent to the CDs I have been using for transfer (phthalocuanine dye + gold, such as the Mitsui and Kodak "gold" series). I appreciate your referral to Mode Records; while I have some recordings by the composers they list, such as Xenakis and Feldman, I do not yet have Feldman's six-hour "String Quartet #2". (I knew Morton Feldman, and taught school near his home in New York City. He once treated me to the most unusual Chinese dinner ever, down to 100-year-old eggs). I also checked out the Rega turntable -- looks interesting, although I abandoned swing-arm pickups many years ago in favor of the B&O tangential arm. It provides equal pressure to both sides of the groove, and the arm also "reads" the LP to automatically adjust speed and other parameters. Recently I had mine tuned up by a B&O authorized expert, who also hand-crafted for it an exquisite $600 needle. What I could use at this point is software and connections that would feed my turntable signal directly into my digital recording device. Haven't found that yet.

Posted on Aug 13, 2011 5:16:32 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 13, 2011 5:22:31 PM PDT
willm says:
Fantastic,Amtak

Outrageously great price on Feldman,here ,but get before the sale is over!

http://www.jazzloft.com/p-38668-string-quartet-ii.aspx

VERY trustworthy site.Have been buying from for over a decade,and they have a good many selections on vinyl...

Also see,_
Edition Wandelweiser-percussionist,Greg Stuart is a visiting professor and fantastic guy!

I'd have to talk w/studio friends before recommending software :-)

I stick to the 'art'- I prefer an artifact-old school;don't download,ANYTHING

Posted on Aug 13, 2011 5:52:35 PM PDT
little late to the party, but i am lucky enough to have both Euclid Records and Vintage Vinyl here is st. louis. mr. campbell grabbed a few vinyl treasures when he visited. Euclid has a great web page -http://www.euclidrecords.com/ and Vintage is at -http://www.vintagevinyl.com/. they both specialize in vinyl and have massive stock. ie- looked for some charlie ventura LPs at Euclid and found 10-12 in fine shape. was stunned to find that many. hench

Posted on Aug 18, 2011 2:42:11 PM PDT
It's been an excellent week as far a vinyl acquisition is concerned. So far, 8 albums including 3 scarce 10" LPs in absolute mint condition though only Japanese repressings, not originals, a nice Bud Powell 12". Full list provided for anyone that is interested. And, the week isn't over yet!!

Posted on Aug 25, 2011 10:14:47 PM PDT
M. Battle says:
I wish more current jazz titles were issued on vinyl. There are many 90's & titles from the past decade that I'd love to own on vinyl.

Posted on Aug 31, 2011 8:20:43 AM PDT
I just recently started buying vinyl again too! Thankfully, we have a few used record stores in town so I try and visit them every week or two. Personally, I don't go out looking for vintage or collectable albums - I'm just looking for the best sound so if I can get it new on 180 gram vinyl, I'm a happy camper. I was able to score a copy of Earl Hines Live at the Village Vanguard a few weeks ago and I think it was under $6 and in mint condition. This past weekend I picked up the complete Clown Sessions by Mingus and Clifford Brown & Max Roach Incorporated - both were still factory sealed, 180 gram vinyl and both were under $13! I had never heard Incorporated before, but immediately fell in love with it. And although I'd heard some of the track on the Mingus, the album is really excellent from beginning to end.

Battle - couldn't agree more with you!! I was over joyed to see Christian McBride & Inside Straight release Kind of Brown on 210 gram vinyl.....one of my favorite Sunday morning jazz albums with coffee. However, I'd like to see some vinyl pressings of stuff by Brad Mehldau, Jason Moran's Ten, and some other current artists!

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 31, 2011 4:28:43 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 31, 2011 4:30:47 PM PDT
Recently a 2nd &Charles used books (and music + movies) opened up in my town. They have quite a few BlueNote jazz and other labels too. Worth checking out if you can get to one.
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