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What former CIA Pegasus agent Trenton Parker told Rodney Stich in 1993.

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Initial post: Nov 5, 2010 11:15:13 AM PDT
I think there is a lot of truth in the following:

From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

"The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK ... During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, JOHNSON of Texas, GEORGE BUSH, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, p. 638-639]:

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2011 11:11:56 AM PST
Who heard the tapes? Rodney Stich? Must have been many years ago then because McDonald died on KAL 007. How do we know what was being discussed from this snippet. And who was tapping JEH's phone and how did Pegasus get these tapes. It all sounds very dubious.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2011 11:27:28 AM PST
Trenton Parker, former CIA Pegasus agent heard the tapes, and he told Rodney Stich about it in 1993. He said the tapes were given to Congressman Larry McDonald, head of the John Birch Society and very anti-Rockefeller. I've been told by a friend that McDonald kept these tapes on his body at all times. KAL 007 crashed in 1983 and McDonald died on it.

Google "Chip Tatum Pegasus" for the accounts of another CIA Pegasus agent who defected rather than neutralize Ross Perot in the 1992 campaign for George Herbert Walker Bush.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 9, 2011 11:39:46 AM PST
BlueAlliance says:
If the tapes were given to Larry McDonald what did he do with them? Wouldn't they be entered in evidence or did the WC destroy them? Did he pass them on to Hoover?

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 9, 2011 11:43:22 AM PST
These tapes were given to Cong. Larry McDonald who died on KAL 007 in 1983. The Warren Commission was controlled by the murderers of JFK: LBJ, Hoover and Allen Dulles.

Posted on Jan 7, 2012 8:28:09 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 9:23:41 AM PST
it was Lovelady and we've now strayed from the topic under discussion...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 9:39:32 AM PST
Ralph Cinque says:
Well, I ask your forgiveness for that. But please, take a look at the video. It's just 5 minutes long. I know that most think it was Lovelady. But, Professor James Fetzer is now on-board with this, and he was previously a Lovelady believer too. So please, put your preconceived notions aside and just watch the video:

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 10:04:50 AM PST
It was Billie Lovelady, NOT Oswald. Cinque's theory is wrong. Period.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 10:15:38 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 7, 2012 10:21:35 AM PST
Ralph Cinque says:
Dr. James Fetzer, one of the most prominent and prolific JFK researchers in the world, agrees with me. So, who are you going to believe James Fetzer or Robert Morrow? But, what I really think is that you should believe your own two eyes. Just look at my video. It's exactly 5 minutes long.

The crux of it is that the similarities between Doorman's clothes, and the manner in which they were worn, are too much like Oswald's to attribute to chance. We don't live in a world of coincidences. There was no coincidence that day that Billy Lovelady just happened to get up in the morning and assemble himself exactly like Oswald.

Doorman's and Oswald's shirts match very well. The only feature of the shirt that has ever been correlated with Lovelady is the pattern. But, that would have been so easy to change! They could have created contrast just by fiddling with the emulsion on the film. That's how easy that would have been. Every other aspect of Doorman's shirt is Oswaldian. And of course, he's wearing it just like Oswald- unbuttoned. There is no evidence that Lovelady was ever unbuttoned, that is, until he was posing as Doorman after the assassination. There is no evidence that he ever in his life wore a v-necked t-shirt like Oswald and Doorman.

When you consider all the evidences that were altered and corrupted in the JFK case, why dismiss the idea that they altered the Altgens photo?

My video is: Visible Proof That Oswald Was Innocent, and it can be found on Youtube. Please watch it.

Posted on Jan 7, 2012 10:43:43 AM PST
Fetzer does not agree...his recent article in Veterans Today suggests that the guy in the photo next to Lovelady whose face has been "erased" is who he thinks is LHO. Apparently this particular myth (about the person in the doorway being Oswald) will never die...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 11:09:49 AM PST
Ralph Cinque says:
Ted, you are not up to speed. I spoke to Dr. Fetzer yesterday. In fact, at this very moment, he is working on our joint article about this entitled:

Doorway Man has to have been Oswald
by Dr. Ralph Cinque (with James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.)

Do you want a copy of it? Email me at doctorcinque at hotmail and I will email it to you. At least half the writing is his. He has revised his position since he penned that article in Veterans Today. I am not making this up.

Lee Harvey Oswald was the Man in the Doorway in the Altgens photo. He was outside watching during the whole thing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 11:20:57 AM PST
well w/ all due respect to Dr. Fetzer, if he has in fact come around to your view on this I still don't find it convincing and it would be far from the first time I've disagreed w/ Jim...I have long ago moved away from this particular bit of evidence as have most of the serious researchers...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 11:30:44 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 7, 2012 11:32:49 AM PST
Ralph Cinque says:
Well, when I first contacted Dr. Fetzer about it, his initial reaction was just like yours. But, as you know from reading that VT article, he had already come to the conclusion that Oswald was out there. He found the notes of Detective Will Fritz in which Oswald said he was out there. And Dr. Fetzer had observed that weird white blotch that seemed to be covering a man's face in the area of Black Hole Man's face. I refer to Black Hole Man as the man who has his arms wrapped around his face except that he has no face. Dr. Fetzer had assumed that the man right below him, whose body fuses with the afro hairdo of the African-American woman below him- Dr. Fetzer assumed that that guy was Oswald- but they obscured him. But now, Dr. Fetzer agrees with me that that was probably the real Lovelady. They took his face and moved it to Oswald's, turning Oswald into Lovelady. So, they had to get rid of the real Lovelady, which they did. But, they couldn't change the form and the fit and the lay of Oswald's shirt. And fortunately for the side of truth, it was a very distinctive shirt that Oswald was wearing.

Ted, I think that if you are going to continue debating this with me, you owe it to me to at least watch the first video in my series. It's only 5 minutes long. It won't kill you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 11:35:49 AM PST
Not buying it. It was Billy Lovelady in the door of the TSBD. I don't care what Fetzer says, he is wrong about many things.

Fetzer's broad view of the 1963 Coup d'Etat is correct though.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 11:48:40 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 7, 2012 11:49:24 AM PST
Ralph Cinque says:
Who do you think you are, God? Maybe the King of Siam? "So let it be written, so let it be done?"

Look, if you want to enter the debate, drop the pretense of authority. Address the specific issues, refer directly to the concrete evidence, and argue your case. Period. But the attitude you can drop right now because it isn't getting you anywhere. Robert Morrow is great in the eyes of Robert Morrow. That's it!

Posted on Jan 7, 2012 4:49:10 PM PST
Ralph Cinque says:
In poker, you have to calculate the odds of a guy drawing a certain card. Maybe they are 1 in 24, depending on what he's going for, and so you bet accordingly. So, let's size up the odds in this case.

The fact that both Oswald and Doorman are both wearing a loose-fitting outer shirt, that is unbuttoned, over a white t-shirt with a v-necked opening, creates, in itself, a strong likelihood that they are the same person, especially since they do resemble each other in size and shape. If they didn't look alike, in general, if they didn't size up well, in general, we wouldn't be going down this road at all. But, they do size up well.

So, let's start with the one issue of the shirts being unbuttoned. What percentage of men at work in the city go around with their shirt unbuttoned? Percentage-wise, it's got to be small. I don't know exactly what it is, but I'd say it's got to be no greater than 1 in 20. In other words, only 1 man out of 20 goes around like that. If you don't agree, then walk down the street in downtown Dallas, Texas or any other big city and start observing men, and keep track of how many are buttoned vs unbuttoned, and come up with your own number. I think 1 in 20 is conservative. The simple fact is that: MOST MEN BUTTON UP.

Now, there's no doubt that Oswald was unbuttoned- he was unbuttoned when he was arrested. Plus, we know that his buttons were missing, so he had to be unbuttoned. But nobody reported Lovelady being unbuttoned, and in the one picture we have of him from that day, he was NOT unbuttoned. Mathematically speaking, that one variable, by itself, creates strong odds that Doorman was Oswald and not Lovelady.

But then, you keep going. Both Oswald's and Doorman's shirts were loose-fitting, I put the odds of that at around 1 in 3. But now we are talking about two variables which have to be multiplied together, so we are talking about a 1 in 60 chance that Doorman and Oswald would both be wearing shirts that were unbuttoned and loose fitting. (20 x 3 = 60)

Then, there is the v-necked t-shirt. Since about 90% of men wear round-necked t-shirts, that means 1 in 10 odds against a match there. Multiplying that out, we are now at 1 in 600. Note also that in every picture of Lovelady, he is wearing a round-necked t-shirt.

Then, when we factor in the matching collars and lapels, it takes it off the chart. The odds of that are too small to calculate. They are infinitesmal. The right collar/lapel of Oswald and Doorman match PERFECTLY, as I demonstrate in my videos. And although we cannot see the left collar of Doorman, (because they covered it up with that phony Black Tie Man) we can see the long left lapel on Doorman, which matches the one on Oswald. Again, that puts it off the chart, way up into the stratosphere.

Mathematically speaking, the odds that Oswald and Doorman are the same person are extremely great. And if you don't think so, I sure wish you would sit down and play some poker with me. And let's make it high stakes.
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