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Initial post: Dec 20, 2012 12:28:20 PM PST
Linda Sang says:
I can't believe I'm doing this, but why stop now when we're on a roll?

Only 9,999 more to go!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 1:04:26 PM PST
Bryan Borich says:
lol.

You bet me to it.

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 1:08:47 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 1:09:19 PM PST
Bryan Borich says:
Hey guess what I just found,

And YHVH your God will give to you and to your descendants a circumcision of the heart, so that, loving him with all your heart and all your soul, you may live.
(Deuteronomy 30:6)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 1:27:57 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 1:29:27 PM PST
Bryan Borich says:
That's from the manure you sling.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 1:30:18 PM PST
Linda Sang says:
BRYAN: And YHVH your God will give to you and to your descendants a circumcision of the heart, so that, loving him with all your heart and all your soul, you may live.
(Deuteronomy 30:6)

LINDA: Interesting! Looks like you found one more thing for Balok to rub my nose in. I've heard that line quoted so many times by Christians (but never by Jews that I recall) that I didn't even realize it was in the Tanakh. And in the Torah, no less. Oh well...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 1:34:57 PM PST
Linda Sang says:
DIVA: It stinks around here already.

LINDA: Since you got here...definitely.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 1:51:02 PM PST
Bryan Borich says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 2:12:30 PM PST
Bryan Borich says:
DoubleSpeak.

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 2:14:38 PM PST
Bryan Borich says:
These seem fitting today,

Let those who wish to glory, glory in knowing and understanding Me. (Jeremiah 9:23)

I was searching for the YHVH, and he gave ear to my voice, and made me free from all my fears. (Psalms 34:4)

I'm not so sure on that last though :), but only because of the responsibility added.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 2:15:03 PM PST
Linda Sang says:
It's always best not to feed the trolls, Bryan. Yeah, I know...I threw this one a crumb too, but that's all she gets from me!

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 2:34:46 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 3:18:45 PM PST
jeffesq613 says:
To the lurkers:

Please be do not be fooled by the title of this thread. The thread was hijacked when it was in phase 3 by a group of one-sided demonizers of the state of Israel. The regulars on this thread are not here to speak about Jewish Unity. The one who started the thread, Linda Sang, is a pagan goddess worshipper and far leftist one-sided demonizer of the state of Israel, hardly representative of the Jewish community at large. Bryan Borich is a Gentile shaman with serious delusions of grandeur. Neither of these posters has any knowledge of Judaism, as evidenced by their remarkable discovery of a verse hiding in plain sight in the Torah.

Sure to arrive soon are a few other one-sided demonizers of Israel, such as Bookish, a Muslim convert who hangs out in the Judaism Forum and posts ceaseless one-liners disparaging Jews, Judaism and the Jewish State; A, a Gentile Holocaust marginalizer and right wing xenophobe; and Lawrence A. Dickerson, a demented Gentile who daily copies and pastes vile anti-Semitic material from a hate site called veteranstoday to various anti-Israel threads in the History Forum.

Allegedly taking a break right now is the person most responsible for bringing these anti-Semites into the Judaism Forum, an allegedly biologically Jewish poster named Jezzie who was raised as a Catholic and still attends midnight mass every Christmas Eve and who developed a well-earned reputation in the History Forum as an extremely disingenuous one-sided demonizer of the state of Israel.

So lurkers beware.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 2:51:54 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 2:53:22 PM PST
Linda Sang says:
@Bryan:

Here are a few verses that spoke to me just now:

4. Even the bird has found a house, and the swallow a nest for itself in which to set its young-near Your altars, O LORD of hosts, my King and my God.

5. Happy are those who abide in Your house; forever they praise You. Selah. (Psalm 84)
====================

There are also some very nice pictures that go with this psalm:

http://jerusalemhillsdailyphoto.blogspot.com/2012/12/even-bird-finds-home.html

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 3:05:58 PM PST
\\So lurkers beware. \\

But read, and see who makes outrageous insults almost constantly.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 3:24:02 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 3:26:53 PM PST
Bryan Borich says:
There you go with your lies again.

>as evidenced by their remarkable discovery of a verse hiding in plain sight in the >Torah.

One which you deny.

And one which I had previously stated without knowledge of the written Torah.

As I had stated more than a few times before there are apparently two types of Jews, those circumsized in the flesh (such as yourself), and those circumsized in the heart (Linda and Jezzie).

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 4:07:30 PM PST
jeffesq613 says:
A few quotations from the Muslim Jew-hater currently posting here:

Bookish wrote: Don't you have the same beliefs as Nazis, only with Jews as the master race?
http://www.amazon.com/forum/history/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx33HXI3XVZDC8G&cdMsgNo=2164&cdPage=87&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3AX8Z8GCWTJR&cdMsgID=Mx1B6KEXNW07JY3#Mx1B6KEXNW07JY3

Bookish: Judaism, as it's been changed to anyway, just wants to slaughter everyone else or make them pack animals or body part replacements.
http://www.amazon.com/forum/history/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx33HXI3XVZDC8G&cdMsgNo=5722&cdPage=229&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx29HI0UY7HY18T&cdMsgID=Mx1GBFRJ27DQAC9#Mx1GBFRJ27DQAC9

Bookish wrote: Jews are always killing Muslims. Maybe it's out of revenge for the Nazis.
http://www.amazon.com/forum/history/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx33HXI3XVZDC8G&cdMsgNo=6257&cdPage=251&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx29HI0UY7HY18T&cdMsgID=MxW08AXYTSW17L#MxW08AXYTSW17L

That, of course, is merely scratching the surface.

So why does a Muslim anti-Semite post night and day in the Judaism Forum? Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 4:21:37 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 4:22:00 PM PST
jeffesq613 says:
More anti-Semitism recently posted in the Judaism Forum by Bookish the Muslim Jew-hater:

<They [i.e. the Jewish people] lost their inheritance, and no more prophets, except the gollums of their ugly words and deeds.>
http://www.amazon.com/forum/judaism/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg26?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx3GH4KC0VK3SAS&cdPage=26&cdThread=Tx2AYXNVY8HG5KL

<Your people are now childish whiners that think they can get away with robbery and murder. You have no prophets; you are cut off.>

http://www.amazon.com/forum/judaism/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg27?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx3GH4KC0VK3SAS&cdPage=27&cdThread=Tx2AYXNVY8HG5KL

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 4:47:53 PM PST
jeffesq613 says:
<The issue of Israel's existence as a Jewish State is the very core of the Arab-Israeli conflict. If Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas, or any other Muslim leader for that matter, were to agree that Israel is a Jewish state, he would be in opposition to the Islamic religious concepts of "defense of Muslim lands" and of non-Muslims as dhimmi.

Though not found in the Qur'an, the obligation for the defense of Muslim lands is a core concept in medieval and modern Muslim theology, dating back to the 13th century Muslim exegete Ibn Taymiyyah, who declared that all Muslims are obligated to rise up and attack any non-Muslim who takes Muslim land. It is a compulsory duty (fard Ayn) to wage interminable jihad until the Muslim land is reclaimed and again under its divinely ordained and rightful Muslim sovereignty.

There are Muslim scholars who disagree. They quote the Qur'anic references in Chapters V and XVII and elsewhere which state specifically that Allah gave the Promised Land to the Children of Israel as an eternal inheritance. However, Ibn Taymiyyah's interpretation, that Palestine is Muslim land and must be reclaimed from the Jews, despite the Qur'anic references to God's promise to the Israelites, seems to prevail in modern Muslim thought.

The concept of dhimmi is based upon a Qur'anic source, Sura 9:29, in which Muslims are commanded to make the defeated non-Muslims feel low and subdued. The "Pact of Omar" written during the time of the Caliph Omar II (early 8th century), but ascribed to the 7th century Caliph Omar 1, established a list of regulations detailing the status of non-Muslims under Muslim rule, and circumscribing their behavior. While there is scholarly debate about the extent to which these laws were enforced, it is clear that the position of the dhimmi was subordinate to that of Muslim, and as such the dhimmi could never be a full citizen of any Muslim state, and could never be in a position of authority or sovereignty over Muslims.

Given the high antiquity and religious authority of these concepts, no Muslim leader can acknowledge or recognized Israel as a Jewish state. To do so would be to ignore Allah's command that Jews (along with other non-Muslims) are condemned to dhimmitude and are not free citizens with their own sovereignty. Similarly, an acknowledgement of Jewish sovereignty and statehood would be an admission that "Palestine" is not Muslim land but is in fact Jewish "Israel." And, most critical of all, such acknowledgements would mean that there is no basis for declaring a jihad against Israel or against Jews. Instead, by refusing such recognition and maintaining that Israel is an illegal occupier from an Islamic ideological viewpoint, holding Jewish sovereignty over Muslim land contrary to God's will, Arab leadership can declare the need to maintain a holy jihad until the land is again under divinely ordained Muslim sovereignty.

This is an important issue because it reveals that the prime motivation for the conflict is not borders or water sources or refugees: it is the Arab refusal to accommodate the existence of a Jewish state. Such a motivation, arising from what in essence is Islamic institutionalized religious apartheid, is inconsistent with the sensibilities of 21st century western culture, and would thus have difficulty finding support among western nations. So Abbas and others lie about it. They pretend that a Jewish state is likely to discriminate against its non-Jewish inhabitants - a rather risible claim since non-Jewish minorities in Israel are far better off than any minorities, Muslim or non-Muslim, in Arab lands. Or they argue that a religious definition of a state is inherently racist - beyond risible since they have no such complaint against the Islamic republic of Iran or the self-identified Muslim states of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, or Saudi Arabia.

To further obfuscate the real motivation for their animus toward Israel, Arab leaders and propaganda sources have focused the world's attention on a variety of issues such as borders, water rights, refugee repatriation, and the status of Jerusalem: all of which could be resolved in peaceful negotiations, if the Arab side were willing to end the conflict peacefully. All too many of our mainstream media outlets and our political leaders have been duped by this obfuscation. And all attempts at resolution have failed because the focus has been on Israel's concessions to these propagandistic demands, while ignoring the real cause of the conflict: Arab leaders' unwillingness to accept Jewish sovereignty over what they still consider Muslim land.

But a Palestinian Authority spokesperson let the proverbial cat out of the bag, perhaps inadvertently, in early 2011. Among the "Palestinian papers" released to the world via Wikileaks, there is one called "Talking Points on Recogntion [sic] of Jewish State." In this paper the Palestinian Authority spokesperson details the reasons for not accepting Israel as a Jewish state. Among them:

"Recognizing the Jewish state implies recognition of a Jewish people and recognition of its right to self-determination.... Those who assert this right also assert that the territory historically associated with this right of self-determination (i.e., the self-determination unit) is all of Historic Palestine. Therefore, recognition of the Jewish people and their right of self-determination may lend credence to the Jewish people's claim to all of Historic Palestine."

In other words, if Abbas were to acknowledge that Israel is a Jewish state, then he would have acknowledged that Jews have the right to political self-determination and national self-realization, just what he claims for the Palestinians, and just what the Qur'anic concept of dhimmitude denies to Jews. Arab leaders don not want to do that because that would strengthen the Israeli argument for Israel's just demand of those same rights. And such an admission would acknowledge that Jews can have sovereignty over Muslims (Arab Muslim citizens of Israel) and over what Muslims call Muslim land. So Abbas must continue to deny the obvious, no matter how ridiculous it sounds, because to not do so will weaken his own arguments. And to admit that the motivation for the animus that so much of the Muslim world bears toward Israel originates in the Islamic religious concepts of dhimmi and of the inadmissibility of non-Muslim sovereignty on Muslim land would be to reveal the real core issue in the conflict: the Muslim religious apartheid ideology of the supremacy of Islam.

Excerpted from "Why Abbas Cannot Recognize Israel as a Jewish State," by
David Meir-Levi (July 26, 2011) >

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1413

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 4:53:44 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 4:55:46 PM PST
You seem to follow the most racist opinions of the most racist rabbis.

Your insults prove that you are not a practicing Jew, unless you're one of those Wahabbi Jews.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/10/israel-s-racist-rabbis/

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 4:55:22 PM PST
yawn... your post was full of rotten chestnuts.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2012 5:01:21 PM PST
Bryan Borich says:
As someone once said opinions are like ..... everybody has one. In this case you have several which really have little connection.

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 5:18:34 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2012 7:51:41 PM PST
L. King says:
I have an idea. It's just being born. Come back later.

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 5:18:44 PM PST
L. King says:
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