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What works better, butt-kissing or defiance?


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Initial post: Nov 13, 2012 6:29:33 AM PST
I have recently returned from my masochistic perusal of Ann Somerville's blog, a near perfect blend of horror and comedy. In her latest post, Ms Somerville gives us charts to demonstrate her low sales, and this in spite of her near superhuman efforts to ingratiate herself with the vigilantes on the Amazon forums: not only does she attack other authors at every opportunity, but she starts threads demanding authors take oaths of honesty wherein she alternately flagellates herself and plugs her blog and books every chance she gets. And yet, this doesn't seem to have helped her sales.
Meanwhile Splinker, widely despised on these forums but with a small following of undomesticated outlaws, seems to be doing about the same amount of sales.
So I have to ask: which strategy should an indie, all green and wet behind the ears, choose? And why?

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 6:47:41 AM PST
I have to amend my earlier post: it refers to Ann's November 12 post re: taking your books off Amazon.
She has a new post today, where she links to someone she has long pretended isn't her.

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 8:52:06 AM PST
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Posted on Nov 13, 2012 10:16:52 AM PST
Splinker is unpopular among the vigilantes.
But being popular with them doesn't seem to help sales.

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 10:30:13 AM PST
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Posted on Nov 13, 2012 1:27:03 PM PST
Why is it, B, that you never get even a single upvote? I felt moved by pity to upvote you.

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 1:28:45 PM PST
I am saddened that no one has come in to answer my original post.
One would think that it is a question of deep interest to most authors.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 13, 2012 1:41:23 PM PST
Perhaps most authors are on the other forum having been scared off of this one.

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Posted on Nov 13, 2012 10:16:59 PM PST
Susan Jones says:
Back to the original question: I don't think it really matters much on these forums either way since there are so many ads for readers to scroll through. Plus, the forums seem to be centered around a lot of debates that have little to do with reading or writing.

However, I do think that its the same as running any other business. Respect toward your customers. I don't sell many books through online mainly since I don't advertise (I'm thinking about investing in that soon). I only started writing recently because people I know (co-workers, family and friends) had asked me to write a book. I sold a few and word got around rather quickly and more and more people began asking me for copies of my book. I try to be friendly and helpful toward them and deliver asap just like I would in any other type of industry. Then, people began asking when my next book would come out, etc, etc.

I have two now and sales seem to be increasing by word of mouth. One person had trouble downloading the first book onto his kindle and couldn't get amazon to download another copy so I took it upon myself to give him a paperback copy free of charge (he paid for the kindle version but couldn't read it). He stated that he was grateful that I was quick to fix the problem. He bought the second book the day it published and I think it was because of what I had done to fix the original problem he was having with the first book (and maybe he actually liked the first book enough to buy another lol).

So, as in any other business, its important to respect the customer by providing customers with the product they expect for the money they put out for it and to keep them happy and coming back for more of your product.

Posted on Nov 14, 2012 4:10:37 AM PST
I always enjoyed the guys at work who insisted that the only way to get ahead was to kiss ass or be a minority. One famous whiner was holding forth one day and I cut in a said, "Really, Spenser studied what he had to study, practiced promotional boards with older guys and, most important, he's not a total idiot."

I feel sorry for people who fail constantly and never consider their lack of ability as a possible problem.

Posted on Nov 17, 2012 6:46:53 AM PST
I think we need to get back to the discussion.
This is both a serious marketing and existential question: should I kiss a** or cultivate the disapproval of the stodgy bourgeoisie?
So far, a** kissing seems to work for some, but only in small measure, and only if they put superhuman effort into it

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 17, 2012 6:57:03 AM PST
Splinker says:
Go with your strengths.

Posted on Nov 17, 2012 8:31:13 AM PST
butt-kissing it is, then.

Posted on Nov 17, 2012 9:01:49 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 17, 2012 9:04:36 AM PST
Not yet.

Posted on Nov 17, 2012 9:05:15 AM PST
Butt please (see what I did there?) first please weigh in on the topic under discussion.

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In2books says:
The question in your original post: "So I have to ask: which strategy should an indie, all green and wet behind the ears, choose? And why?"

An in the post I'm replying you state: I think we need to get back to the discussion.
This is both a serious marketing and existential question: should I kiss
a** or cultivate the disapproval of the stodgy bourgeoisie?

You have been denying you are an author for months. Once I think you claimed your wife was a SPA. Are you now admitting to being an author?

Posted on Nov 18, 2012 3:57:13 AM PST
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Irish reader says:
Is Fatso calling me an undomesticated outlaw? That's about as cool as it gets for a pudgy, 48-year-old Irishman.

Posted on Nov 18, 2012 6:34:29 AM PST
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