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In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 5:44:07 PM PDT
I clicked on her book. She has no self review there.

She does not self promote on the forums.

If an author does not self promote, does not use sock puppets and does not self review on Amazon that is all I'm interested in. As far as I'm concerned, the case is closed on any wrong doing by twinny.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 5:45:07 PM PDT
You may call her on her lies. I believe what she says.

She is free to defend whomever she wants to defend.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 5:48:34 PM PDT
G. says:
@Jason: I will admit you have some MAD sleuthing skills. The big BUT? Twinny's behavior over the last year or so, has been one that tried to stop the spamming and author-centric BS. I just have such a hard time imagining that she would do anyting untoward when she is such a savvy person about being a reader/poster first. I have NEVER seen her try to promote and I can't imagine that she would do anything foolish with her own book. Just saying.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 6:45:32 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 26, 2012 6:46:04 PM PDT
Ms. P. says:
Addressing this quote:

"If people are reviewing beta versions assuming that corrections will be made and that editing will be done, then that might explain a lot of books that have all 5-star reviews and then other readers come along saying "How did this book get published?" and "This book needs editing!".

So definitely, reviews should never be done based on a beta version...'

Comment: Why would someone even release a book in a 'beta' version is beyond my understanding. Either the book was edited properly or it wasn't. Books are not code, or software that needs to be tested by outside users.

Anyone who releases a book at Amazon that was improperly edited before asking people to review it/pay money for it...well, they deserve any trashy reviews they receive.

My response to you, Robert:
Um, Robert, I'm sorry ... but isn't this 99% of your entire beef with Brent Butler? That he reviewed a version of your book that has now been corrected, and so you think his review is unfair?? You made a "beta version" of your book available, he reviewed it, and for two years you've been chasing him down, hounding him that the book that's published now is longer and addresses his questions.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 7:28:15 PM PDT
That is BS Jason!
It is a lie, and is slanderous.

You have no honor.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 7:28:25 PM PDT
That is BS Jason!
It is a lie, and is slanderous.

You have no honor.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 7:29:43 PM PDT
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Posted on May 26, 2012 7:32:24 PM PDT
This does it....
the carion fornicators can have Ammy...
I am done for good

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 8:00:10 PM PDT
Do you know what the word 'slanderous' means, Edward? I do not think it means what you think it means. The definition is based on *false* statements. I speak the truth.

Now be a nice boy and go back to playing with your pеcker-head.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 8:01:35 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 8:17:28 PM PDT
If she reviewed her own book and has now removed it, then she can say, "I do not promote my book anywhere."

Jason~

The whole point is we want authors to own up to their self reviewing and remove their reviews. If they have done that, then nothing more needs to be said.

I am fine with telling authors what is allowed and not allowed, but I am not a vigilante and I'm not going to be part of hunting authors down for past mistakes. As far as I'm concerned, once an author has removed their review it's over and done with.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2012 8:20:02 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 2:46:08 AM PDT
"When Hunger Games first appeared on http://Amazon it had ~1700 reviews (almost all 5-stars). That's on the first day. Don't get me wrong, it's a good book (and I loved the movie). But 1700 reviews on the first day? How fast do all those people read? Indie's do it too, I suppose, but not on that scale. 1700 reviews in one day?!?!? "

Maybe you should pick an example that stands up to your claims? I went back to the oldest reviews. The first 6 reviews were spread out over 8 days. And the first ten pages of reviews (which is a lot fewer than 1700!) are spread out over almost two months.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 2:54:30 AM PDT
twinny says:
No Jason I did not review my own book, my 16 year old daughter did because she thought it was a good thing to do for her mother. It was removed by me some time ago after explaining to her that it was in fact not supportive of me. Yes, she used my account, because at 16 she does not have a credit card, and did not have an account at the time. If I had reviewed my book, be sure that I would own up, I am fully aware of your sleuthing capabilities. If you post details here all you will achieve is to give the book a presence here that I have never wished for, and to show yourself for a rather mean spirited individual who is bent on exposing me for having a different opinion of an individuals activities. Incidentally, she also reviwed it on GR - I can't remove that, I don't have access to her account there, and she refuses to. While we are at it, I have a birthmark on my right thigh, I have been married twice, and I once swore at my mother. I once had a speeding fine, and have points on my driving license, my blood group is AB+, other than that I am just your common or garden whore of babylon type on a one woman mission to decieve the world into buying my rather contrived self published book. Do what you will Mr Kirkfield, though I suspect it will reflect more poorly on you than it does on me - if I was that concerned about my reputation as an author I would never have chosen to stick my head above the parapet on these forums and sound off. Trash me, trash the book, but be aware of what you might be doing to yourself in the process. If you truly feel that I have decieved the public at large I will make you an offer - I will unpublish the book, today. Neither your lack of confidence in me as a human being, or the lack of having a book to sell on Amazon will adversely affect me. I know who I am Mr Kirkfield, and it suits me fine.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 3:00:51 AM PDT
"Comment: Why would someone even release a book in a 'beta' version is beyond my understanding."

We weren't talking about the versions put up for sale on Amazon. (Which are frequently just first drafts that have never been seen by a single beta reader*.)

We're talking about people who serve as a beta reader for the author posting a review of the version of the manuscript they read, rather than the finished book. We all seem to be in agreement that a review should only be posted for the for final version which is put up for sale, since there's no telling how much difference there is between the two without reading them both.

* Using the understood definition of beta reader, which is not someone who reads it before it's put up for sale and says "love it!", but a savvy reader who takes notes and provides detailed feedback to the writer.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 7:13:17 AM PDT
snappy1 says:
May I say, that was brilliant!

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 7:18:31 AM PDT
twinny says:
It is isn't it? But I can't lay claim to having written it, though who ever did write it clearly knows far more about me than I am entirely comfortable with ;)

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 7:39:07 AM PDT
snappy1 says:
Well I would like to say thank you for sharing!

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 7:48:36 AM PDT
G. says:
It was the first time I have ever seen a break down like that. It should be a "sticky" on the all the fora.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 8:33:39 AM PDT
twinny says:
I have no idea where it came from originally, someone emailed it to me a while ago. But it does sum up a lot of the the things we all do from time to time in an effort to make a point. I didn't post it to poke a finger at anyone in particular, but as a reminder that none of us always show the respect and understanding for other posters that we could.

Thanks again for your support G, I do really appreciate it. I am far from perfect, but I am honest.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 8:37:37 AM PDT
twinny says:
And thank you for appreciating it :)

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 8:58:57 AM PDT
G. says:
"Honest" That you are Twinny :). I LIKE honesty even though it smarts sometimes; at the end of the day it means a lot more then the superficial.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 9:23:05 AM PDT
twinny says:
G, I hope you didn't feel I was aiming anything at you individually? You know I've always found you a straight poster with a lot of integrity (and a terriers grip on an issue), I have a lot of time and respect for you G - even when we disagree :)

Anyway, I'd better stop with all this back patting, my personal DVF is overworked already ;)

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2012 9:33:40 AM PDT
G. says:
NO I didn't take it that way at all! I just happened to SEE myself in a lot of those descriptions ;). Thanks Twinny.
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