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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:16:44 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:21:41 PM PDT
P. S. Wright says:
Barbara, this is a nice poem. It sounds as if you're feeling a little blue. I am sorry about that. I am also sorry that your book has become the center of a maelstrom. The first time you showed up you seemed nice. The second time was weird. This time you are being very polite and trying to be understood.

Barbara, if Jean Johnson is a friend of yours, you might do well to ask her to let off. She isn't doing you any favors. The multiple postings on your review come to reflect on you, that isn't right. You have not been involved in the name calling and other foolishness.

I hope you all the best in you future endeavors.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:23:36 PM PDT
Scamp says:
Honestly, Jean Johnson, I feel pretty blind here.

I have no earthly notion of what you are talking about. Not even a teensy bit. Who is the "Angel"?

>>attacking, reviewing, pushing buttons and backing one another up, running lines for one another...Ignoring customers, chating, re-grouping. in seemly good-guys to set Authors up...<<


>>I feel like I'm watching a motor cycle gang circle around and around spreading mayhem.<<

That's nothing. After reading your post, I feel like I'm in another dimension. I have ZERO background on anything you are referencing.


Alas. I was trying to go to bed earlier and got sidetracked. Now I must push off. Lots of work waiting for me tomorrow. (Also an evil doctor with a needle and thread.)


Good night, fair forumites. *waving*

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:24:40 PM PDT
P. S. Wright says:
Ms. Johnson, whoever Barbara is to you, you are not doing her any favors by dragging this on and on. Scamp doesn't even know what you're talking about. She wasn't there. If you want to attack me, feel free. I will continue to report you to Amazon. There are no gangs, cabals, groups, or anything else. You and your fellow children's author are not under attack.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:25:15 PM PDT
I think it is all about the journey. I like what you've posted here. I recently picked up a trilogy that is widely popular. I'd never heard of it, and was apparently the only one who hadn't. I mentioned it to my boyfriend, and he said the series had very mixed reviews. Some gave it five stars others hated it. I didn't care what anyone else thought about the series. I only cared about what I thought. I only purchased the first just in case I didn't like it, then I wouldn't waste my money on the other two. I really liked it. A lot, in fact.

I was discussing this series with my niece at a wedding reception, and she went on to comment on the concept of the trilogy. How it resembled another popular series... that the author had poorly written the books. I told her that clearly we're not reading Steinbeck here. If I want to read one of the great classics, I will pick up Jane Austen, John Steinbeck, J.D. Sallinger, C.S. Lewis, Ernest Hemingway... the Masters of literary writing. This particular trilogy is clearly not of that caliber. That's the point. It is frivolous. It is entertaining. That's why I bought it.

I do care for correct spelling and grammar. I like spell checks to be run, and proof reading to be done. I like the correct usage of they're, there, and their, etc. This was about fantasy and taking myself somewhere else. While reading all three in a week's time, I did find some of the writing and scenes repetitive. I sped read through those passages, and got over it. On one hand, it is good to overlook those things, but on the other, it is important to try to do one's best to stick to the rules of writing.

Story telling is a marvelous thing. I agree that the ability to suck the reader in is most important. The fact that getting published was so difficult in the past perhaps decreased our opportunities to read some really great stories. Sticking to the rules of what is/is not publishable did not give way for some fantastic stories to come our way. Hopefully with the eBook genre, we will be able to find some of those wonderful story tellers!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:26:22 PM PDT
P. S. Wright says:
I'm sorry Scamp. That's me, Cathyr, and a handful of others from BBA/BBR. She thinks we are part of a conspiracy and that we are actually all the same person. I guess you're getting the fallout.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:27:12 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:32:45 PM PDT
Scamp says:
Oh, so it's the old conspiracy theory thing?

*sigh* Thanks for the heads up. I'm reading this stuff desperately trying to understand, but it's so *out there* to me.

BTW, if you are good enough to come up with that many unique identities, I am all admiration! <snort>

(Oh, and I'm kidding. I think the charge is silly.)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 10:36:56 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 11:11:54 PM PDT
Splinker says:
They make a pill for that now, I'm sure.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 11:14:49 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 25, 2012 11:19:36 PM PDT
Splinker says:
I don't like the way it is done, yes. Even though the more bba that are outed, the less competition there is.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 6:21:38 AM PDT
Lordfrieza says:
I'm getting a late start here, but better late than never. What a lot of self publishing authors do that just isn't quite right is constantly bringing their story up, and bringing it up in a go and buy it now kind of way. I'm not saying that kind of strategy doesn't work. After all car salesmen have been doing it for years, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. There's also the fact that doing so can - at times - make the author seem like an ass.

No one wants to lose customers, and I doubt that any of us wants to drive away what could be a fantastic fan base. Typically most readers seem to respond to someone who adds well thought out responses in the forums. Of course though the best publicity is actually getting out there and presenting. Do public readings of a few chapters of your book. If you have a paperback version then hold a book signing. Depending on the type of book you've written you may or may not be able to read it at a local school.

I've found that most schools, especially high schools and universities, will accommodate a local author and set up a reading. After you do that then set up Facebook ads, move on to Google hot words. By using the hot words advertising it will ensure that the link to your book is seen when someone is searching key words that fall into the description of your book. Google hot words and Facebook are tremendous helps, but what it really falls down to is the base material itself.

Now, if you want to get the help of a publisher then that can be a trick. If you've only published your book via Kindle, Smash Words, or any other ebook sight it will be easier. However, if you've also had a paper back published it can hamper getting your book alined with a publisher. Hamper it not make it impossible. I was lucky in the fact that a local publishing company - Tate Publishing - showed interest in my book. (On a side note I would like to say that I'm still in negotiations with them. That's a downside to getting with a publisher. Most of the time the contracts they begin with essentially want you to sign over the rights not only to publish the material, but usually they want the rights to the characters as well.)

Getting the interest of a publisher is no easy task. You need to be equal parts writer, salesman, and pimp for your book. Take in mind that if you do get a publisher there is a fair chance they may want you to make a few minor changes to your story. The changes are usually small things, but depending on if you want the, ahem respect ahem, that comes with being professionally published then you may decide to allow your work to be changed.

A few other things to be considered is knowing your fan base or potential fan base. Every writer who ever lived writes for different groups of fans. Stephen King is no different when it comes to this. While his work does reach millions it would be wrong to say it has reached everyone. Granted most people have heard of him, but not everyone reads him. That's because A) they may not be inside of the fan base that does read him, or B) they just haven't gave him the chance yet.

If you're writing an Urban Fantasy then you can assume - Although you want to be careful about making an ass out of you and me - your general fan base is going to be in the same area as Jim Butcher. So knowing that the same kind of people who read "The Dresden Files" may read your work you need to do a little research. Basically you need to read what they are reading. This doesn't mean copy Mr. Butcher's work, but it does mean to look and see what may be liked about it.

One of the oldest sayings about writing is, "I write for myself". That's bull. Yes we do write for ourselves, but at the same time you've got to consider the potential readers. So when you go to make references, jokes, or point out local land marks you need to stop and make a few considerations. 1) Is the joke, reference, or local land mark I'm using known to more than a handful of people? 2) is the joke, reference, or local land mark something is only going to be noticed by die hard fans of a certain genre? and 3) Will the joke, reference, or local land mark come off offensive to anyone?

Depending on your answers you may or may not want to use them. It doesn't mean that those jokes, references, and local land marks are invalid. All it means is that they may not be suitable for a published work that has the potential to reach millions.

I'm by no means the end all expert when it comes to being an author, but these are a few of the things I've learned along the way. They usually help with sales, and with keeping you noticed. Also remember that each review you get is someone who has taken the time to read your work (normally), and so their opinion needs to be respected. If they point something out - such as Misspellings, grammatical mistakes, ect... - then go back through and look over your work. It never hurts to see it for yourself.

I hope that I helped in some small way.


In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 6:25:04 AM PDT
Is your "book" as poorly written as these posts? I don't think I want you telling stories of any kind to children. Not my children, not your own children, not the neighbor's children--take a year or two off to breathe deeply, calm down, and learn to communicate with the written word.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 6:34:44 AM PDT
Ms. P. says:
LF -- This is not the place to talk shop, and I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but PLEASE be careful and do a LOT of research on Tate Publishing before you sign anything over to them. Check Preditors and Editors, and read about experiences others have had with them. Please.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 7:01:36 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 7:09:38 AM PDT
Lordfrieza says:
Teacher Mommy, thanks. I also want to apologize for the shop talk, but at the same time I wanted to clear up the misconceptions that the beginning post had. There seemed to be quite a bit of the stars in the eyes, pie in the sky, and so on thoughts about writing. I'll be honest it's fun, but it's still a job.

That said, and not to change the topic too much, but has anyone read Boneshaker yet? My God I read it for my Science Fiction Literature Class and it's simply Amazing! I can't get over the thought of Steampunk mixed with Zombies. How can anything be any better than that? You know it's true... Zombies make everything better.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 7:18:29 AM PDT
P. S. Wright says:
Thanks for an on topic post.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 7:25:32 AM PDT
P.S., you might be interested in reading the posts on this thread:

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 7:33:54 AM PDT
P. S. Wright says:
Yeah, I'd heard of them before. I'm just tired of the rants and the arguing about who is meaner and who started it. Anything is better at this point. Just tell me Lordfrieza didn't write Boneshaker and all is good.;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 8:07:59 AM PDT
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If you are into graphic novels and comics, Sean Taylor is a very good friend of mine. He would help you and give some very good advice. This is his author page:

You can contact him through his blog, Bad Girls, Good Guys and Two-fisted Action, here:

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 8:11:06 AM PDT
Lordfrieza says:
I wish that I wrote it. I've actually just started reading Steampunk fiction, and I'm finding a liking for it. Again sorry for the slightly offtopic post.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 8:15:31 AM PDT
Ms. P. says:
LF -- Please don't think I was getting on you for "shop-talking". I meant that *I* didn't want to get into lengthy shoptalk.

I just have heard some really horrible things about Tate Publishing, and they've been in the news this month, and I really don't want you to find yourself in a bad situation. Remember that publishers pay authors, authors don't pay publishers, please.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 8:16:06 AM PDT
Lordfrieza says:
Thank you, and I most likely will contact him if possible and poke his brain a bit. Has for the Tate publishing thing... Yeah, I'm not very likely to use them. I will say that I was contacted (which was a might odd) by them, but the way the contract reads and from everything else I've heard about them... Not too likely to use them. I would rather do comics and graphic novels (write them for them. I can't draw to save my life.) professionally. So the link will really help.

Thank you again :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012 10:23:43 AM PDT
griz says:
Would this be a useful time and place to link to this thread?

Posted on Jun 26, 2012 2:21:57 PM PDT
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