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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 4:54:45 PM PDT
I'm kind of squeamish about some things, and those murders were so horrible (not that any murder isn't horrible) that I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to handle it.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 5:01:14 PM PDT
P. S. Wright says:
I get you. There were black and white pics too, if I remember correctly.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:16:28 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 19, 2012 6:18:16 PM PDT
MRM says:
It is pretty horrible...and the edition I read (years ago) included crime photos. Not for the faint of heart.

It find it compelling in a way that's difficult to explain - almost as if I'm somehow paying my respects to the victims by reading what happened to them. I had a similar reaction to reading the crime book that came out after Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman were murdered: Dead Reckoning: The New Science of Catching Killers by Marion Roach (with whom I had a lengthy and very interesting discussion at a booksigning). She wrote it with/for Dr. Michael Baden, who was called in to do an autopsy on Ms. Simpson. Fascinating and repulsive at the same time. More crime photos in that book (but part of the premise of the book was that the police decision to move Ms. Simpson's body caused destruction of important forensic evidence, so the photos are a bit more understandable).

Part of my occasional willingness to read such books, I'm sure, is also my inclination to study human nature (in terms of the criminals involved, mostly). Trying to wrap one's mind around the capacity to commit these kinds of actions is difficult, but it's all part of the spectrum, I guess. So foreign to my outlook.

--MRM

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:36:11 PM PDT
I do find the human nature aspect very interesting. And I like what you said about paying respects to the victims. I remember after the Oklahoma City bombing Geraldo Rivera, who had a talk show on TV at the time, would highlight one of the victims at the end of his program each day, telling something about them. It really touched me.

Did Marion Roach's book come to a conclusion about the killer?

I've heard recently that there is some speculation that OJ's son was the killer.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:36:16 PM PDT
P. S. Wright says:
Have you read Without a Doubt? It is very telling. I think she goes easy on her partner Darden, but it's clear where she thinks they went wrong. And it isn't gory, more tragic.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:49:44 PM PDT
MRM says:
I read Ms. Roach's book in 2002, shortly after it was released, so my memory of the details is foggy, but as I recall, no final verdict was made, because, as Dr. Baden pointed out, too much of the forensic evidence had been contaminated or eliminated by the handling and moving of the body. He basically said that the evidence that *could have* revealed with certainty whether OJ was the murderer, was tainted (without getting into gory detail it had to do with the position of Nicole Brown Simpson's body when it was discovered (based upon crime scene photos) and then the moving/turning over of the body, that caused her blood to effectively "erase" the blood of her killer, that had likely been in droplets on her back (in the photo...but impossible to test, once she'd been moved).

Again, my memory is a bit hazy, but that is as I recall it. It's the kind of thing I can't read too often, as I feel such empathy for the victims that it's difficult for me to break away emotionally from the "world" of that kind of book. So I read something like that once in a while, then take a long break and go back to my thankfully less gruesome and intense fiction. :)

--MRM

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2012 6:53:33 PM PDT
MRM says:
No, I didn't. I can only manage a certain amount of that kind of reading, and once I'd read Dead Reckoning: The New Science of Catching Killers I felt maxed out on that material, emotionally.

I totally agree with the "tragic" element to the whole trial, etc. That's another element of this particular story that haunted me (I even had a few nightmares about it....that's what I mean by the fact that I get connected to the material and need to break away after a while).

I may very well go back to it at some point though, so it's good to know Without A Doubt is there. Thanks for the rec.

--MRM

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 11:09:05 AM PDT
kestergayle says:
I read Helter Skelter when the mini series was on TV, and I remember practically having to arm wrestle my mom to get her to give me MY book back! LOL!

But, I agree, I didn't think it was all that graphic either. In those days it would have been hard to get something like that published. But, Bugliosi got around that by making the bodies white, as if they had been carefully cut out of the picture before it was printed in the book. And, the photos in that edition were in black and white, so they were much less gory.

I actually had a sort of Helter Skelter moment a few years ago, and it still creeps me out.

I was out late (past midnight) to walk the dog. As we were strolling along, for some reason I kept thinking of the descriptions of the sounds people heard approximately at the time of the murders. Because of the hills and steep canyons, the sounds were bouncing around in an eerie fashion.

About halfway through Barkley's walk, I heard some eerie sounds of my own, sounds that had no obvious source since there was no one else around. I don't often get scared or apprehensive about things like that, but for some reason this sound made my skin crawl. I wasted no time in going back home. (I can't really describe these sounds, but it wasn't an explosive sort of sound like a gun might make.)

The next day around noon a local news helicopter was hovering over the housing development next to our for quite a while. It turned out that an old man had shot his wife and then himself at about the same time I was out walking my dog. No reason was ever given as to why the old man might have commited a murder/suicide.

Ever since that night, when ever I think of Helter Skelter, that old man and that creepy sound are what comes to mind.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 11:22:08 AM PDT
They did do the work in their breaks, P.S., rather than using the time they should have been using (and presumably were) on solving crimes. I don't think there's any problem on that count. :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 7:35:12 PM PDT
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MRM says:
Wow, that does sound like a creepy experience, especially in hindsight, after learning what had happened. Very sad, too.

I imagine having your dog with you provided some comfort.

My dog, on the other hand (she's a two year old English shepherd) can be pretty skittish when I take her outdoors at night - and I swear she's seeing things I can't. About a month ago, I had her outside on a beautiful Spring night, and I was gazing up at the stars as she sniffed around. Suddenly, she started "growl-barking" like she does when a stranger comes to the house - really loud and fast, and with her head pointed directly into the dark of the neighbor's driveway...but there was nothing there (that I could see) except the cars parked.

I about jumped out of my skin, and then she shied away (like she does when she's seeing a stranger), and pulled me back toward the house with her tail between her legs. Freaked me right out.

--MRM

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 20, 2012 8:39:11 PM PDT
P. S. Wright says:
Sorry, I posted before reading all the way down.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 21, 2012 12:36:06 AM PDT
No need to apologise, P.S. - it was my first thought when I heard the story, and only later did they tell the *whole* story on the radio! :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 22, 2012 11:34:06 PM PDT
kestergayle says:
Well, Barkley wasn't exactly the most threatening of dogs, but he was a good sized dog, so anyone would have thought twice before messing with me, I think.

We called him Barkley the Wonder Dog because we wondered about him all the time. Smart he was not, but he was very sweet and loyal, and we really miss him. When I wake up, I still automatically look over to where his bed used to be, and it's been close to 3 years now since we had him put down.

Your experience sounds kind of creepy, too. I hope that your neighbors didn't have an attempted break in or anything.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 12:37:17 PM PDT
Zen Druid says:
Andie
Is Beggars and Choosers a follow-up to "Beggars in Spain"? That was a very good book (based on a short story of the same name) and your description here sounds like this is a sequel.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 1:35:08 PM PDT
Sally says:
I can understand why. It is such a good story with characters with depth. Loved it. Now that you have mentioned it, it's been about a year; I may read it again.

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 1:50:47 PM PDT
Sally says:
I have just finished In the Night Circus. I looked forward to reading it because it had been recommended by several friends whose book opinions I value.
I was facinated first by the unsual characters and then even more so by the circus itself, tents of fantasy and imagination, each one more intricate than the last.
However, half way through I began to tire of it all. The story is really just the description of a fantastic setting, nothing more. There is no character development, no plot. There is very little that surprises you other than the expanding setting.
I understand that it is to be made into a movie. I would go to see it just for the visualization of the circus itself. It would be more interesting if one of the characters could be played by Jonny Depp and the whole directed by the man who did Alice in Wonderland. It could become a wonderful story just based on In the Night Circus's setting.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 5:25:37 PM PDT
I've never heard of that book, but your description reminds me of Something Wicked This Way Comes.

I've had the experience of reading books where something is really intriguing and interesting, but then it just goes on and on until you weary of it. Knowing when to quit is a very important talent for an author.

Posted on Jun 19, 2012 10:25:28 PM PDT
Bump for cathyr.

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