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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 11:43:34 PM PDT
You might want to post that website in MOA.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 11:44:06 PM PDT
BTW - you two kept me thoroughly entertained during a very boring working day. :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 11:45:43 PM PDT
Jade Kerrion says:
If a squabble over who gets to use the computer could lead to an explosion that obliterates the universe, then yes. :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 11:46:28 PM PDT
When you say you want to "wait for the real thing" you are saying that what the other authors were talking about is fake. What was the point of saying that?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 11:47:31 PM PDT
Which two are you referring to?

Posted on Jul 11, 2012 11:49:40 PM PDT
Honestly, I enjoyed you putting someone who came across as very pretentious and condescending in his place. :-) I have no idea if that's really just him or the persona he puts on to try to sell his books, but he doesn't come across as someone I would want to read.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 11, 2012 11:56:05 PM PDT
I thought that's who you meant.

I think sometimes people really don't understand how their words are interpreted when people can't see them. Visual cues makes such a difference.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 12:01:05 AM PDT
Too true. There were times I thought he was joking and times I thought he wasn't. I just think that - and under the thread subject of self promotion - no matter how edgy you think your writing is, when presenting yourself on a message board of readers, you need to remember that if they don't like you, they won't read you. And I know some of the edgiest writers in the biz and they know better than to act like a jerk.

I just don't get someone who
a) comes to a board like this and acts superior to other writers
b) acts superior to readers
c) complains about reviews

Especially letter c - if someone takes the time to read and review your work, you should be very glad - even if they didn't love it. Not everyone will be your audience, but you'll never find your audience if you alienate peope.

Posted on Jul 12, 2012 12:06:57 AM PDT
Also want to add to those writers who get one star reviews, I've bought books based on those one star reviews. Often, the things they complain about are the very things I like in a book - of course, I do have some strange tastes. ;-) Exception is is those low reviews that mention that the book is unreadable due to spelling, grammar, or formatting. Then I won't read it, no matter the plot.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 12:06:57 AM PDT
Beats me. He did the same thing on .uk, so it wasn't a language issue. (And how patronizing is that? When people complain about your posting to tell them it's because they are yanks?!!!)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 12:07:55 AM PDT
LOL - I do tend to get very Nationalistic when things like that happen!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 12:09:27 AM PDT
Negative reviews don't put me off, either. I remember one book I read where a particular issue was really downgraded. When I read the book I felt the exact opposite as the reviewers did.

Everyone's tastes are different. If I were an author I think I'd have a friend or family member read my reviews and only tell me about the good ones. Why stress yourself over something you can't change?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 12:10:53 AM PDT
Jonathon K says:
OutlawPoet,

I gave a pretty good review to a book written by someone who later turned out to be a super troll here who attracted lots of bad attention. I probably would not have read the book had I gotten to see the poster and known he was the author before I bought the book.

Too bad, though, because I really enjoyed the book. Then again, I sort of knew some of the dirt about Patricia Highsmith before I read and enjoyed The Talented Mr. Ripley.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 12:12:16 AM PDT
I think that's pretty natural.

There's one poster who never seems to miss an opportunity to put down "yanks." I've never really understood people who insult someone else's country. It's so petty.

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Splinker says:
I did to about half a dozen readers. I should start that again. If they are a top reviewer and provide an email, i assume they don't mind such requests.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 3:55:25 AM PDT
The only reviews I've sought are from the off site book review blogs and sites. Whilst a free copy is always required by them, the reviews given are always 'arms-length'. Never know what you will get back.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 4:46:54 AM PDT
Rick G. says:
While I have contacted blogs about doing so, I have yet to reach out to Amazon reviewers / top reviewers. Considering doing so, because some of them write awesome reviews (even if scathing). I don't know, I just don't like "cold calling" someone...feels almost like an invasion of privacy (even if they have their email lying out there in the open). Guess at my heart I am just a lousy salesman. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 4:51:18 AM PDT
that's correct. just as the big publishers often send advance galleys or copies to reviewers to get reviews that will coincide with the release of a title, so can small publishers do with smaller (and sometimes big) reviewers.

there's no quid pro quo between the author/publisher and the reviewer.

unless you're PAYING for your reviews which, of course, the Big Guys sometimes do as well but upon which I personally frown.

the benefit of offsite reviewer blogs and publications is that they will end a positive review with "available at amazon, etc." meaning, if your books are other places than here (and of course, they are) traffic goes to those sites as well.

Never buy a review. That's pathetic and desperate and, worse, everyone who reads your reviews and checks up on your paid one will discover its true nature and judge you accordingly. Take the kudos and the lumps with equal grace and make sure they're always real.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 4:51:26 AM PDT
Rick G. says:
You're not in the MOA forum, D. That's crossing the line to self-promotion.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 4:54:36 AM PDT
Rick G. says:
"Never buy a review. That's pathetic and desperate and, worse, everyone who reads your reviews and checks up on your paid one will discover its true nature and judge you accordingly. Take the kudos and the lumps with equal grace and make sure they're always real."

The lone exception to this might be a Kirkus review, who will only review indies via their paid channel. In that case, though, you're taking a $500 gamble with your money.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 5:59:21 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 12, 2012 6:04:49 AM PDT
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