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What is the most common complaint you have about indie books?

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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 5:18:33 AM PDT
A. Customer says:
Good morning to you too Michael, and very good to see you too :) And, I concur!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 5:20:22 AM PDT
Splinker says:
I admire your self restraint when it comes to me.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 5:26:54 AM PDT
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Posted on Apr 4, 2012 5:32:47 AM PDT
JayDee says:
When it comes to the editing of Indie books, it does bother me. So much that if it is obvious early in the book that the errors are going to continue, I just stop reading and delete the book. I've also started many of those books and not long into them it was obvious that there was no plot worth writing a book around, or the writing was so bad that I would not read it even if the errors were not there. It is a rare first book that sells and I think an Indie author should consider how long it took for an established author to be published, and not just put their book on Amazon because they can.

I am asking Amazon to separate the Indie books from the published ones, so we can browse through the group we prefer. That won't keep the Indie books from being available; it will just put them into one group so the people who like to browse those can do it. How can that be unfair to the Indie author? Putting such amateurish writing (as so many of those books seemed to be) in with the books of well-established authors is just astounding to me. What was Amazon thinking?

If the development of the eReader is the reason for the vast number of terribly written Indie books, then I'll have to say that is its downside. Not enough to get me to stop using my Kindle, but enough to make me stop even trying to read an Indie book again. If I miss a good book because of that, it won't be the first time I've missed a good or great book of the already established authors because of lack of time to read as much as I'd like. I will not let that bother me.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 5:43:18 AM PDT
Splinker says:

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 5:46:16 AM PDT
R. Larkin says:
@Juaquin Roussel, interesting article. Thanks!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 5:57:51 AM PDT
Emerald says:
<<I do however exchange books for HONEST reviews, usually I set my limit at 2 to 5 copies per story/book. This is perfectly acceptable. Publishing houses do this ALL OF THE TIME. Paid reviews are also perfectly acceptable. I don't and I don't know many Indie's who would spend the cash, but it is a legit practice.>>

Alrighty then. And those honest reviews you get--ever anything less than five stars? And on what planet is paying for reviews "legit"?

By the way, any person who trots out the word "negativity", especially after a long-winded, defensive, hostile post like yours should seriously reconsider calling other people out for their "ill will" or foolishness.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 6:06:31 AM PDT
A. Customer says:
LOL! :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 6:12:21 AM PDT
Jody: Your post is the answer to this dilemma. Choose to buy indie books or choose not to buy indie books. It really is that simple.

Could Amazon improve the indie book pile with a vetting process? Certainly, but the more books that are allowed in the more books they sell. So someone, somewhere in Ammy's upper echelon made a conscious decision to allow any and all to sell their wares as a self-published author. Now we have those who will try anything to make a quick buck. We see them in all aspects of our lives, identity thieves, bait and switch scams, phone scams, etc. If it is allowed it will happen. So this argument is futile because this argument, in itself, cannot and will not change a thing.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 6:16:16 AM PDT
"Im a self pub author. We do seems to get held to a too hi standard i think, measured against perfection."

This is ridiculous. We don't even expect perfection from authors of prize winning literary fiction. There is no such thing as a perfect book.

What is possible is for an author to meld natural talent and acquired language skills with hard work at learning craft in order to create a very good, and sometimes excellent, book. Neither natural talent nor hard work at learning craft are dependent on how the book is published. Because of this, the same standards should be applied to all authors equally.

If most self-published books are not able to meet the standards that most traditionally published books meet, that does not in any way mean that the standards are too high. It means the self-published authors must work harder.

As one example, self-published authors on these forums are presenting themselves to potential readers. If the author does not put the necessary effort into demonstrating that they can communicate correctly and effectively here, it does not mean that our standards are too high. It means the author has not bothered to do the minimum work needed. (Yes, I'm referring to what I quoted above, which does not indicate a facility with written English.)

Posted on Apr 4, 2012 6:28:44 AM PDT
Ian Fraser says:
I think the primary thing that bugs me about (some) Indie books, is the inability of them to see that they lack the ability to tell a good story. A good story flows for the reader, without bad grammar, typos, or wooden dialog to interrupt the experience. A number of the indie materials I've sampled resembled school essays - stories not ready for other eyes, let alone the commercial acid test of the reading public and a sticker price.

/vent mode off

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 6:33:58 AM PDT
Splinker says:

Posted on Apr 4, 2012 6:35:26 AM PDT
Splinker says:
Another pet peeve, lots of sentences that try to move the story along with "as" tags. He looked worried, as he poured the drugs into the puppy chow.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 6:35:49 AM PDT
"I think about books in terms like this: I read books for stories. I don't read to search for grammar mistakes, typos, and other errors. If I'm into the story, I'm probably not noticing an errant flaw here or there."

This is where we get back to the two types of readers. What you said above is true for you. (And many others, many posting in this thread.) Story comes first and you can easily ignore the mechanics of how it is told.

That is not true of all readers. I'm the opposite. It is impossible for me to get into a story when the mechanics underpinning the story aren't up to the job of delivering it. I don't search for mistakes. If present, they pop off the page at me, obscuring everything else.

And by mechanics, I don't mean spelling and grammar. I mean skill with words, character, and dialogue. I mean properly researched details, and understanding of plot structure.

What is frustrating is when the story is king group assumes that all readers are the same, and we're just being irrationally picky, or obliviously overlooking great reads.

I have time and time again seen people post on these forums that they read self-published books almost exclusively, and they rarely run into a book they don't enjoy. This does not in any way mean they are reading quality books. Reading samples of self-published books, especially the freebies which many of these posters are reading a lot of, shows that it is statistically impossible that 90% of what they read can be classified as good quality. What it does mean is that they can enjoy flawed books, despite the flaws.

Which in many ways is enviable. They get just as much pleasure out of their reading as I do, but they spend a whole heck of a lot less!

Posted on Apr 4, 2012 6:38:21 AM PDT
Splinker says:
I always leave a few typos in to generate controversy.

Posted on Apr 4, 2012 6:39:48 AM PDT
L,Worth says:
Twinny Raising my cup right back at ya! Let the games begin. Unfortunately, they are going to have to play without me, I have formatting to do! lol

Slpinker I'm familiar with your work...Love Zombies and you have given me more than a few laughs!
Why would I be frustrated? I edit because I feel it is responsible, and it would irk me if I didn't, but honestly, not everyone cares if I know where to place a comma or over use periods. Some people just want a good story. I've read some pretty badly edited books that have rave reviews and not the freind and family kind -let's face it, it's pretty easy to check.- Who am I to say what those readers should think or be able to purchase? Obviously they didn't mind or feel ripped off.

Read the sample it is pretty obvious if it is a bad edit from there...don't bother if it is. But not everyone has those issues... I don't believe self pubbers clog the market. I'll let you in on a secret. When I am not wearing my Evil Indie Author, Sucker of Life, Writer of Trash, Eater of Small children uniform, I'm a regular old boring home schooling mom (when I can take time away from counting the millions I have suckered out of all of the unsuspecting rubes who've bout my books.) I download A LOT of books and you know what? I don't seem to have any trouble at all navigating my way around the astoudingly, tremendous, supercalofragilistikexpialidociouseses amount of self pubbed books out there. I think it's exaggerated greatly by a small group, either that or they don't know how ot use the search feature properly.

Emerald Yes I have gotten many 2 and 3 stars and you should see the comments I get from my test readers! Brutal. I don't hand pick people. I don't use friends, it is quite random. You should look up the word hostile...It was an honest post, And just because it didn't make you - the reader- feel like the most important part of the process, doesn't make it defensive,. Again, just honest. Long winded LOL Well my dear I am a writer communicating thought to words is my passion.

To everyone who supported me - I cant remember everyone I just pulled an all nighter. I curtsey, Thanks for the love and the positive energy!

If you write a good a lot of cases even if you write a lousy book ,chances are it is going to appeal to someone somewhere. So be it. The bigger problem I see is the handful of people who post rogue one star reviews to every Ebook they can find priced under 4.99. I often wonder if Amazon did away with the ability to review without purchase just what would happen on both ends of the spectrum. Hmmmm interesting idea huh?

My books are out there with all of the others. I have no real proof that I am a better or worse writer than anyone else. The beauty of free enterprise is that the customer (All of them not just a select few) decides. I am confident in my abilities and feel no need to demean or berate others to lift myself or my work up.
The only real complaints I see is by the same handful of posters - who'd I'd bet my backside most have never even read a self pubbed book no matter what they say - and a handful of authors, who seem to feel they should be doing better,-so it must be because those less talented hacks are getting the same opportunity. I mean whatelse could it be???

It's just like my Grand-daddy told me... Those who can do and those who can't whine and moan about those who do. Only he didn't say whine...I think that is what we have here for the most part.

Frustration comes with the territory. A writer, is still a writer and as such all we could ever do is work our butts off, eat our veggies, take our vitamins, market ourselves like side show freaks and pray for success and a little luck. Self pubbing hasn't changed that, it's only bettered the odds for a few.

Buying a book is always a gamble I have more Trad pubbed books than I can count that were utter garbage (in my opinion.)

It's a free market. I choose to be grateful for that rather than resentful of others. Do we really want another set of Gatekeepers telling us what to read and deciding the value of our work? I don't. That system has failed miserably or we wouldn't be here right now. I can think for myself thank you very much. I'd rather have the choice any day.

The cream will rise and maybe even some of the thin yucky stuff with it, but It's a brand new day for publishing one that is long over due and right now, I am just proud to be a positive force for it.

Who knows what some of those god-awful writers will become tomorrow... How many of you will then say "I knew them when"? lol

I'm off to format now so that I can publish even more atrocious, poorly edit tripe.

Have a good day ya'll

Posted on Apr 4, 2012 6:41:18 AM PDT
Splinker says:
Ima, frustrated because writers who don't edit give us a bad name. And thank you.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 6:43:35 AM PDT
"The other thing that urks me is that when I start to type in a title of an Indi book or the author's name in a search, It doesn't automatically fill in the remainder of the title like other published works."

Amelia, I could be wrong, but I believe that's a function of how the search engine is designed to provide answers more quickly to common searches. If a name or title is not searched often by customers, then the engine has not collected enough data to give it an idea of what it should prompt you with.

Posted on Apr 4, 2012 6:55:36 AM PDT
L,Worth says:
Yes Splinker i get it but...I still think a lot of people buy for the story and could care less about the editing good or bad. I don't see how it harms my well edited book in the long run.
People who have issues with self pubbers are going to have issues with self pubbers no matter what. It's like people who don't like pitbulls or sugar or the color blue. What ever they set their sights on is evil and therefore must be done away with. Face it their only solution is vetting! Ummm yeah gatekeepers? The good ole status quo. Yeah that'll fix it!

Posted on Apr 4, 2012 6:58:30 AM PDT
A few points:

A. We knew the job was dangerous when we took it.

B. The waters are friendlier and safer for self-published authors that they ever have been before. Opportunities abound, and the stigma is fading bit by bit. Most readers of my acquaintance can tell the difference between a quality indie offering and a hasty, unedited upload.

C. People should be allowed to express frustration and negativity if they want to. I don't think it has kept that many readers away, and it allows them the opportunity to vent. I try not to let it discourage me.

D. I really would prefer not to be relegated to a separate book ghetto because I am self-published. I also REFUSE to be held to a lesser standard. If my work isn't of reasonable quality, I expect to hear about it. I cannot be responsible for the quality of anyone else's work--I only have control of my own work. It's my responsibility to ensure that it is of acceptable quality.

E. If other authors give my work a bad name, there's little I can do about it. I try not to let it discourage me. (repeat A)


In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 6:58:46 AM PDT
Splinker says:
I agree and have said much the same thing. Especially with the 25 and under crowd.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 7:00:43 AM PDT
Unfortunately serious errors also occour in book published by the big six. I once read a novel set in 1983 where the UK Prime Minister was refered to as he. Even if the author was ignorant that Margaret Thatcher was the PM the publisher certainly should have known and corrected the error.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 7:02:02 AM PDT
I've got no problems with first person as long as it's well written with believable characters and a good plot.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 7:02:51 AM PDT
Splinker says:
Well, with Thatcher, the pronoun use may have been intentional.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 4, 2012 7:03:28 AM PDT
The problem with editing ones own book is that authors see what SHOULd be there not what IS.
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