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why can I not loan out certain books to another kindle user?

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Initial post: Sep 12, 2011 7:22:56 PM PDT
I have loaned out books to another kindle user, but I have some books that I can't loan out. why is that?

Posted on Sep 12, 2011 7:28:31 PM PDT
SeaLevel274 says:
Likely because there are some books that the publishers don't allow to be loaned.

Posted on Sep 12, 2011 7:33:55 PM PDT
McWriter356 says:
There are some books that the publishers don't want to be lendable.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 12, 2011 7:48:41 PM PDT
Which books can be loaned is entirely up to the publishers.

Are you aware that the books you have already loaned to another user cannot ever again be loaned by you? Lending is a one-time thing, if it is allowed at all.

Posted on Sep 12, 2011 7:58:33 PM PDT
This is such a rip-off! If I buy a physical book, I can loan it to as many people as I want to, I should be able to do the same with a Kindle book especially since in a lot of cases I am paying the same price for a hardback/paperback book that I am paying for Kindle book. This is a definitely a detriment to purchasing Kindle books. We should be doing whatever we can to encourage people to read not putting up roadblocks.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 12, 2011 8:06:39 PM PDT
Publishers and bookstores are not in the business of encouraging people to read. They are in the business of selling books. In the case of e-books, they are in the business of selling licenses to have the books on your devices. They don't care if you read them or not.

There are pros and cons to any format. Yes, you can loan, give away or sell paper books. You can also lose them to flooding basements, fires or friends who don't return loans.

You can't do those things with e-books, but you can carry a thousand of them in one hand, change the fonts when you read them, have them delivered to your bedroom at 2 in the morning and store them all in a purse. If something happens to the Kindle, the ones you've bought from Amazon are still there when you get a new one - you don't pay to replace any of them.

Everything in life is a trade-off. You have to decide which advantages/disadvantages work best for you. Personally, I wouldn't give up what my Kindle gives me for all the paper books in the library, and I'm willing to pay for those things.


In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011 5:13:36 AM PDT
Tinker-bella says:
Judi ~ But you do have the option to loan your Kindle books to as many people as you want to, any time you like... you just need to loan your Kindle to the person you'd like to make the loan to (as you would do with a physical book). Problem solved.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 13, 2011 11:43:37 AM PDT
R. D. Clark says:
"Should." What is this "should" of which you speak? A thing is, or is not.

(Also, the person to whom I loaned my complete collection of Larry Niven's "Known Space" paperbacks *should* have given them back. Instead of leaving town with no forwarding address.)

Posted on Apr 10, 2012 10:13:22 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 10, 2012 10:27:27 PM PDT
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King Al says:
You don't know what you are talking about. The publishers HATE lending, and the lending is getting more restrictive.

ETA: Amazon cannot do anything about it, and has already lost twice in fights with the publishers.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 10, 2012 10:53:38 PM PDT
Dorsie says:
Some publishers think they would have to sell the summer home in the Hamptons if they allowed that.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 10, 2012 11:43:02 PM PDT
Denis Powell says:
Derek, publishers may not control how you lend out your print books but you can because you own them. You may, for instance, ask that it not be loaned to anyone else and that it be returned within a certain time scale, or you may decide not to lend the book to anyone. Publishers own the ebooks so decide what they will allow.

Because it's a license system it's very similar to leasing. If you lease a property from a Landlord you have the right to occupy it but you can only rent it out or "loan" it to someone else with the landlords permission which, in most cases, they wouldn't give. Ebooks are the same, in my opinion.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 12:00:20 AM PDT
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Dorsie says:
But, a landlord takes care of problems with the property, in this case the e-reading device.

The publishers want you to pay the same price for a license as for ownership, and yet they will not contribute a penny toward the purchase of a new e-reading device if and when yours fails.

Would you rent an apartment which costs the same as a house, and yet sign a lease that puts all costs of maintenance on you and gives someone else that tax break?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 12:17:53 AM PDT
Dorsie, incorrect, for your analogy the property is the content, not the device. Publishers do take care of that in some ways. You are entitled to a full refund if you're not happy with it, and you can alert publishers to any mistakes you find. Some of them actually listen and update the content from time to time.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 12:34:21 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
But you just said that I don't own the content, I lease it. Furthermore, I had to get an exception from Amazon to get a readable update to a Penguin book. Penguin refused to pay for it. The first version was a truly gawdawful Topaz clone.

I am working with another big 6 publisher right now to get a repaired version of an e-book that handled footnotes incorrectly, and the footnotes were crucial to the story.

I am working with yet another big 6 publisher to get an updated version of a $14 book that didn't have fully justified margins. The new version does, but they want me to buy it again.

I'm sick of signing leases for sub-standard material.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 12:39:50 AM PDT
So check the book within 7 days of purchase, and if you don't like it, return it.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 12:48:55 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 1:13:30 AM PDT
I'm not 'happy to settle'. I don't consider physical copies 'nice'. I consider them to be burdensome and annoying, and I never lent them to anyone but one friend, who's now in publishing and therefore doesn't have time for personal reading anymore. But I also don't get hung up over trivialities like whether or not my margins are fully justified.
I love my Kindle and will not go back to paper books. Like it or not, eBooks for the bigger public is still in its baby stages and everyone is trying to figure out how this works. That brings a lot of annoyances with it. I choose not to get worked up over them, but enjoy the medium. I express any discontent I have about some books directly to the publisher and author, but also accept that I am only one of their millions of readers, and there might be more pressing issues for them to solve than the one I just presented to them.

Posted on Apr 11, 2012 1:22:36 AM PDT
dust devil says:
honesty if you don't like the rules don't own a kindle buy the actual book instead. Life is way to short to worry about such trivial issues

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 1:26:32 AM PDT
Joy, Tink-erbell is absolutely spot on in her advice. Your Kindle is now your physical copy of all of your ebooks. If there's a Kindle ebook that you wish to loan out (in its digital format), but the publisher has that digital ebook's loan option blocked, then you can always loan out your actual Kindle device. A co-worker of mine is actually reading a Kindle ebook right now on a borrowed Kindle belonging to a friend of hers. I found it very interesting, and refreshing to see. Obviously, this would take a leap of trust on the part of the device owner, but it's still a very viable, and in my opinion, a very logical option. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 1:31:33 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
So, we're back to the "like it or lump it" argument. All of these threads eventually come down to that. It is unresponsive and unproductive, just like the publishers who put lousy e-book versions on the market at full prices.

I also really like my Kindle, and thank heaven that I have a company like Amazon behind it. Otherwise I would not be able to return a book with ragged right margins that I cannot read due to genetic, degenerative vision problems.

Enjoy your ability to ignore "trivialities." Although, personally, I don't think that the proper formatting of a book purchased at full price is a triviality under any circumstances.

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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 2:03:13 AM PDT
No I don't. I also don't have an overinflated view of my importance in the grand scheme of things.
I was here when Amazon tried to fight the publishers. Thanks to your beloved Apple, which promised the publishers the moon, the publishers started fighting Amazon, and the customers pushed Amazon into accepting defeat. I firmly believe that had Jobs staid out of it, we would now be in a much better position / ebook world, with more collaboration than fight. But now it's too late, and we seem to have to take the long route.
Dorsie, I did not know about your issue. Ofcourse to you, that does indeed mean that margins are not trivial, and I understand your insistance in getting it fixed. Maybe I am overall a bit more 'zen' then most people. I think that if I were in your shoes, I would probably be a bit more forgiving, and just return the book, while letting the publishers know why they lost a sale to me, without getting too worked up about it ( provided ofcourse that it's not a book I realy need, for studies or so). I'd be happy with the books I can read, and try not to focus on the negatives too much. You only get yourself worked up. The publishers don't care. I'm amazed you got them to change what they did, kudos to you for that.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2012 2:07:53 AM PDT
Jazzy_Jeff says:
Then don't! See how simple that is?
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