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Initial post: Aug 20, 2012 4:02:34 PM PDT
Arual says:
An interesting paragraph showed up in an opinion piece by Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols in the August 13 issue of Computerworld. The title of the article is "Can Android Tablets Finally Take On the iPad?" The section reads:

"The real game-changer is Android 4.1, known as Jelly Bean, which will also power Amazon's forthcoming Kindle Fire, which will be much more than a mere e-reader, with its quad-core processor, front-facing camera, micro USB port and bigger, better display. We can also expect to see Jelly Bean in a new model of the Nook, and then the floodgates will open. I expect to see many good Android tablets with 4.1 under the hood, in sizes ranging from the now popular 7 inches to an iPad-matching 10 inches. And good or bad, all of them will be priced below the top-of-the-line iPad."
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2012 4:10:28 PM PDT
Perry says:
Yeah, I would be a bit nervous holding Apple stock. If Apple doesn't hit a grand slam (a home run won't do) with their next iPhone, their stock will take a huge drop since iPhone 4S sales are already underperforming. If Amazon can put out a full sized 16GB tablet for $299 this fall to undercut Apple's $399 iPad 2, then I think there can be a real shift in sales away from Apple.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2012 4:15:45 PM PDT
R. Acoya says:
Heavens to Murgatroyd!

I'll have to stock up on camera-less, 7-inch screen, mere e-reader Fires quickly! This version is almost exactly perfect for what it does, and has just about everything I want on a personal movie-watching and game-playing device.

(The only thing I would change would be the volume controller on the outside, either a toggle switch or buttons. Apart from that, I <3 the Kindle Fire in its current iteration.)

Posted on Aug 20, 2012 9:13:02 PM PDT
Arual says:
Brand loyalty is vitally important to a company. I think one of the reasons Apple is so huge is because they were the first heavy hitter in the MP3 (iPod) and tablet (iPad) realms. All other brands have to crack Apple open to get the consumer to consider something else. Amazon did a fabulous job with the Kindle - winning over users for a device Apple doesn't offer, and thus building the loyalty base. Those Kindle users are naturally partial to the Fire, which I think will make good progress into the iPad semi-monopoly. I know I'd never switch to something else - be it Sony, Barnes & Noble, or Apple. I have several Kindles and a Fire and love them all. The quality, combined with Amazon's customer service, has won me over. I think the other Android devices will cut into Apple's business too, as Perry said.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2012 10:59:13 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 20, 2012 11:01:40 PM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
I agree about loyalty, but otherwise it is not so simple, Arual. Apple had several breakthrough products in its history, but neither iPod not iPad are in that category. They managed to use their existing fan base and tremendous marketing skills to enter the well populated area (especially in the case of iPod) and conquer it.

Today, Kindle is iPod of e-readers: perhaps not the best, and certainly not the first, but, thanks to well integrated ecosystem and carry-over of loyal, satisfied customers from their other activities, synonymous with "e-reader" and the benchmark everything else in measured against.

Edit: one Kindle feature *was* a stroke of genius: Whispernet. It liberated Kindle from personal computers and brought it from the realm of geeky gadgets into the realm of *books*.

Posted on Aug 20, 2012 11:30:21 PM PDT
M. Kean says:
Apple success is due largely to their marketing department. They make great products, don't get me wrong, but there are other just as good products out there. And they didn't invent the smartphone, mp3 player, or the tablet computer, they were just the first to really popularize it and had a fanbase willing to pay for it. I read that 2/3 of Apple's profits comes from the iphone sales, so I'm sure they are a little wary about the sluggish sales lately, but I'm sure iphone 5 will sell like gangbusters regardless of how good it actually is.

On my next phone upgrade I'll probably get a galaxy s3, but i'll wait until the s4 comes out so I'll likely get it for cheaper. Jelly bean will be on it too, and I'm really looking forward to that, it's supposed to be a game changer. Not going to turn this into an apple/android debate, but I've been pleased with android so far.

I'm also curious about the microsoft tablet coming out soon. The pricing rumors are all over the place, and if it's price is right, meaning as much or less, it would tempt me away from other tablets. Though I do think the new Fire is shaping up to be a great machine, as well as the google tablet and samsung I believe has a good tablet on the market.

Apple's clear position as the leader in the industry is faltering I think.

Posted on Sep 30, 2012 6:25:23 AM PDT
Steve Wiser says:
It would be great if the new 8.9 used Jelly Bean instead of Ice Cream being so much more "fluid" hopefully. Any tablet using Ice Cream being compared with one using Jelly Bean will be hindered greatly in any reviews.

The Amazon software engineers better consider this before shipping the 8.9 hindered in this manner.

Posted on Sep 30, 2012 6:44:12 AM PDT
In my opinion, Amazon made a mistake in deciding to stick with its own highly-customized, older version of android for the new Fires rather than going with a pure, lestest version of the android OS but I understand their strategy and only time will tell whether it was the right way to go. I suspect that most Amazon customers will be satisfied with the features and the limitations. However, users who want a full-featured tablet will look elsewhere. I abandoned the original Fire in favor of a Nexus 7 and see no reason to switch back to a 7" Fire HD, although it would be nice to have HDMI and better sound. The 8.9" Fire HD has a lot going for it and would be worth the extra cost to me if it ran Jelly Bean. Since it doesn't, I'll wait a while to see what else becomes available over the coming months. I may buy one but am in no hurry to decide.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2012 6:50:24 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 30, 2012 7:21:07 AM PDT
jsh1120 says:
The difficulty with your argument is determining just how Amazon's bottom line would benefit by selling more KFHD's to people like you. From your comments, you don't sound like the sort of customer Amazon wants to attract in the first place since you're perfectly willing to give up HDMI connectivity, better sound, and a superior display for the greater flexibility you feel you're gained with a "full-featured tablet."

The bottom line is that you're willing to sacrifice exactly the features that would prompt a consumer to purchase more content from Amazon. If in fact Amazon loses money on every unit sold, why would they want to attract more customers who don't want to use the KFHD for the purpose Amazon designed it?

P.S. James, I didn't mean the tone of this post to be taken as a personal criticism. Apologies if it came across that way.

Posted on Sep 30, 2012 7:22:54 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 30, 2012 7:24:44 AM PDT
jsh, No apology necessary. You're absolutely correct. As I said, I understand Amazon's strategy and suspect that most Amazon customers will be satisfied with the features and the limitations. No device can be all things for all people.

Amazon had good reasons for the decisions it made for the Fire HD. At the moment, everyone's excited about the 7" Fire HD for its great new features and reasonable price. No one has their hands on the 8.9" version yet but, to me, it's much more appealing and worth the extra cost.

The original Fire didn't cut it for me and now that I've switched to a Nexus 7 with android 4.1 Jelly Bean, the trade-offs to go back to a 7" Fire HD aren't worth it to me. On the other hand, the 8.9" version may tip the scale back in favor of Amazon. I'm waiting until they are in the hands of users and I read some detailed reviews before making a decision.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2012 7:41:31 AM PDT
jsh1120 says:
What I find interesting about discussions like this is that they so often turn on a user's personal technology "gaps." Personally, I have a high end android smartphone running JB and an iPad 2 in addition to the 7" KFHD. I can't justify the cost of a new iPad, especially since it's a convenient device, especially when I fly and am crammed in the middle seat in coach, but it's not a true productivity machine in my business. And now the KFHD gives me an even better display than my current iPad in a form factor that's even more portable when I want to watch a movie or read a book. By the same token, the devices I already have mean I won't be a likely customer for the 8.9" KFHD. Just too much overlap in functionality and not enough "gap" filling from such a device.

Too often, I think, these discussions resemble comparisons of NFL or MLB teams. There isn't a Super Bowl or World Series for tablets. What's a clear "winner" for one consumer doesn't cut it for someone else. And not just because they prioritize functionality in different ways but also because the devices they already own make for different "gaps" and overlap.
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