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So can you turn the Paperwhite light completely off?


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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 2:21:34 PM PDT
Just Peachy says:
Or maybe, just maybe, the person writing the manual thought the light was turned off since it is not noticeable unless in a completely dark room.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 12:32:19 PM PDT
J. Donahue says:
Yeah, I'm getting to that point.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 12:31:59 PM PDT
J. Donahue says:
What are you talking about?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 11:41:41 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 11:41:25 AM PDT
Christian G says:
Peach, im sure were in the original conversarion where people showed their saved version of The manual.
If the documented functionality wasn't implemented because they made an error in the code or they missed this in the tests or if they totally discarded to test the software at all to save money..its either a software bugg or a sign how bad Amazone handle their software development.
I'd prefer software bugg..

Posted on Jul 1, 2016 11:38:26 AM PDT
I have followed this thread for a number of years.

It started out because the feature was listed in the documentation, and the misunderstanding of what looked like off in daylight is not at all off in complete darkness.

I have found that the bulk of the negativity comes from the "Paperwhite doesn't need to have lighting turned off" crowd, but I imagine both sides have said things that were rude (I have not read every post).

My apologies if I said anything that offended you. It was not my intention. Nor was I trying to insult your intelligence. You are certainly correct that adding features can create complications (especially when done in a haphazard way with a confusing way of controlling/interacting with them).

In the scheme of things, I side with the "add turning off the light" camp. Although, it is not a feature that I have need to use or care for, allowing others to turn off the Paperwhite lighting, does not take away from my usage or enjoyment of my Kindle.

Hopefully in spite of difference of opinion, you can at least appreciate my disposition on the matter.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 11:02:09 AM PDT
J. Donahue says:
Again, that's all fine.

However, you seem upset that people are responding to you with a negative response to your undying request for this feature.

OK, you made you point. We're all behind on our intelligence quotient because we don't want a feature that turns the light off on the PW.

I know you didn't say that, but you continue to post responses that portray a sense of amazement that we don't all jump on the band wagon.

SO, carry on. I'm done.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 10:55:47 AM PDT
Well, if a feature never used then that too could be in the settings along with the countless other features available that can be turned off:

re:
It's my OPINION that that feature is just another thing that I'll never use

I get that we have differing *opinions*.
We also have differing reasons/justifications for having them.
And for each of us to share them is simply part of the process.

kindle-feedback@amazon.com
Is the best place for people to make their request to Amazon.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 10:48:57 AM PDT
J. Donahue says:
"Allowing a person toggle lighting on/off faster by some other means makes as much sense as any other feature."

That's your OPINION. You seem to sound put upon because some of us don't agree with your OPINION.

It's my OPINION that that feature is just another thing that I'll never use, so I don't see a need to add it, and add to the general confusion from the general public who barely know how to turn an ereader on and off.

We get posts here for people who don't know how to change their password, how to unlock rotation that they locked, or how to send a ebook from their MYCD page to their device. Add this "feature" and we'll get ever more people who turned their light off and can't figure out how to turn it back on.

IMHO

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 10:25:38 AM PDT
If you want the feature set of a $289+ kindle, buy that one. Or buy a less expensive one and wait to see if its features change to meet your every desire.

Posted on Jul 1, 2016 10:21:13 AM PDT
I do not have a medical or personal need to be able to toggle the Kindle lighting on/off. But the argument that allowing that feature is too complicated for users, or somehow *decreases* the functionality of the Kindle is a weak one.

Bezos is a proponent of Kaizen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen

Incremental improvement of the Kindle the Kindle is in the DNA of the product mangers.
Over the years we have seen incremental (and evolutionary) improvements to the hardware. We have certainly seen incremental improvements to the KindleOS and feature set:

I may have some of the dates wrong, and I have certainly left out many changes that Amazon has implemented on the Kindle. (No doubt some of these changes would be "confusing" to some users, and completely useless or problematic to others.)

2007
Proprietary formats (AZW, KF8 and KFX)

2009
PDF support
Text-to-Speech

2010
Book Organization
Popular Highlights

2011
Auto-scale PDF
X-Ray reference tool
Social integration (FaceBook/Twitter)

2012
Reading time / progress indicator

2013
Good Reads Integration
WhisperSync Voice
Parental Controls

2014
Instant Definition, Word Wise
Cloud Collection
Page Thumbnail

2015
PDF text selection improvements

2016
Radical change to the user interface
VoiceView
Page Flip (coming to modern e-ink soon)

The point being that being able to toggle the lighting on/off is easy and adds value to some users, and properly done adds value to the Kindle platform, and take away nothing from the users.

The Kindle Oasis allows for turning off the lighting (via the slider). So we know it is technically possible, and a feature of one model. Adding this same control to other models should be done if only for *consistency*. Allowing a person toggle lighting on/off faster by some other means makes as much sense as any other feature.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 9:31:45 AM PDT
Charlie says:
"I have never understood how people argue against *adding* functionality and features."

At some point the increased user confusion and increased customer support costs outweigh the benefits of the added features.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 8:03:51 AM PDT
Last edited by the author 12 hours ago
Thanks for pointing that out. I corrected the typing error. I prefer the term mesh-lit as the lighting is actually within the material itself. But your point is well taken, words matter. Like the words "on" and "off".

;-)

This is a great article:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/12/26/technology/light-reading.html?_r=0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontlight

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 7:54:19 AM PDT
Katinka says:
As far as the community of Kindle readers that have been beat up over "wanting to be able to turn off the back light", at least there is a solution."

*Sigh* Once again, the device is frontlit not backlit. There is a very big difference between the two.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 5:17:58 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2016 5:13:46 AM PDT
Just Peachy says:
Not being able to turn the light completely off is NOT A BUG!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2016 11:26:11 PM PDT
What part of "The warning is unnecessary. They could see you coming." was a question? What part was directed to you? What part argued about adding features? What part was even about the light, or about Bluetooth?

Take your time. I'll wait.

Posted on Jun 30, 2016 10:53:56 PM PDT
Magnvs says:
I believe whining about having a first generation VW Beetle re-engineered to let you drive with the headlights off is a more natural analogy, as the light is the primary feature of the paperwhite, but mostly because they both went out of production years ago and the entire thread is therefore completely irrelevant.

Posted on Jun 30, 2016 10:46:49 PM PDT
Last edited by the author 22 hours ago
Christian G says:
It seems like everyone has forgotten, the functionality to turn off the screenlight completely was actually included in the first manual that was sent with the device.
Later they updated the manual instead; its cheaper.

Trying to tell people to buy something else if they complain about this, is like telling a person not to buy their Tesla if they can't turn off the heater in the seats.
Tesla would have fixed the bug to enable their drivers to turn off the heater. And no one in Teslas forum would even consider to write 'buy another car that suit you better if you don't like warm ass'

Earlier I wrote how to turn off your PW light with a USB and PC. Turning off Windows while having the PW connected also turned off the light (until next reboot or if you turned it back on)
This bug was fixed after I mentioned it here, but not the possibility to turn it off manually.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2016 10:23:40 PM PDT
Magnvs says:
I think perhaps you can stop arguing over whether this device from 2012 should be redesigned to cater to your imaginary blue-light-migraines now. Get one without a light!

Posted on Jun 30, 2016 10:18:00 PM PDT
Christian G says:
Why not make sure it turns on the light when you wake it up.
But then allow then user to turn off the screen light completely.

If you lock it and turn it back on, you'll have the light back on again.
?
Its a Simple software fix.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2016 7:48:02 PM PDT
Last edited by the author 12 hours ago
I'll bite.

Actually I could think a several cases where such a feature (turning on the light via a non-touch screen input) would be desirable for the Kindle Oasis.

1) A person simply prefers the non-lit look of the screen during the day, opens the Oasis up at night and want to see the screen.

2) A person adjusting setting at night (while the Oasis is lit) and accidentally turns the screen off.

3) A person wanst a simple way to toggle between lit and unlit.

I am sure there are more, but for the moments thought the matter deserves those all seem valid to me. I have never understood how people argue against *adding* functionality and features.

As far as the community of Kindle readers that have been beat up over "wanting to be able to turn off the lighting", at least there is a solution.

Now, if Amazon can make quick work of enabling the Bluetooth for the KindleVoice, the Oasis could be an even better product.

[edited to remove the incorrect term "back-lit"]

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2016 7:02:05 PM PDT
The warning is unnecessary. They could see you coming.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2016 6:35:38 PM PDT
JL says:
Just when you think nothing can surprise you anymore, here come the e-reader chat trolls. Watch out, industrial kitchen supply and paving material boards!

Posted on Jun 30, 2016 6:15:34 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 30, 2016 6:15:57 PM PDT
Charlie says:
Thanks to both of you for checking.

I've always assumed that the design decision to leave the Paperwhite light on at a minimal level was to make it so someone in a totally dark environment could navigate through the menus to adjust brightness. So it doesn't need any triple press hack.
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